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Old July 17th 04 posted to sci.math,sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.skeptic,sci.astro
Jack Sarfatti
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Default Hawking at GR 17 Dublin

The abstracts for GR 17 are online
http://www.dcu.ie/~nolanb/gr17_schedule.htm and I am looking through
them to see which talks I want to catch. Hawking's new result depends on
the Feynman path integral over all Einstein metrics with non-trivial
topologies, i.e. wormholes and star gates. He is still working in
imaginary time I suspect and may be getting imaginary results? The point
however, to to see macro-quantum ODLRO put into the Feynman
micro-quantum formalism. The hologram AsS/CFT idea is that gravity in a
curved 3+1 space derives from a massless conformal quantum field theory
in a globally flat world. This is not incompatible with my picture where
I also have a massless conformal flat quantum field theory in the
pre-inflationary false vacuum. This would be like a virtual 2D quantum
Hall fluid prior to the phase transition to a macro-quantum coherent
state (i.e. the inflation field) forming the true vacuum with gravity
and inertia (rest mass of lepto-quarks & W mesons). That is the virtual
electron-positron plasma is confined to the 2D holographic screen that
is the false vacuum.

On Jul 16, 2004, at 3:45 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

If you can't read this go to larger Acrobat file

http://qedcorp.com/destiny/nonequilibriumphysics.pdf

on the emergence of qualitatively new forms of matter and exotic vacua
in pumped open systems.

The most important last part is tentative as things very busy in London.
I also briefly comment why I

suspect that what Hawking is going to say in Dublin in a few days, while
of great interest, is probably wrong.


On Jul 14, 2004, at 11:46 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:nonequilibrium.doc

See a very interesting article by Marcelo Gleiser Dartmouth College
"The three origins: cosmos, life and mind." More on that later.
More on that anon. Gray day in London. Off to British Museum for
Egyptology Skull and Bones
in the basement. A top archaeologist looked at Lloyd Pye's "Star Child"
skull last night and
concluded it ain't ET - a child's skull intentionally deformed.
Star-studded group in Egyptology assembled
at British Museum last night to hear about The Hyskos Pharoahs. Perhaps
the Jews came from them?
That's not what the lecturer said - only my speculation since they came
from the "East" (Levant)
ruled Egypt for awhile and when overthrown became a slave caste. Would
perhaps explain Joseph & Moses stories.
I will be at Hawking's lecture next week. Like Einstein with
cosmological constant, Hawking may be throwing in the towel to Susskind
too fast because he is depending on micro-quantum physics when he should
be using macro-quantum physics and the rules change!

Micro-quantum physics is nonlocal, linear, unitary with entanglements
and signal locality and the Born probability.

Macro-quantum physics is local, nonlinear, nonunitary with entanglement
suppressed in the macro-mode, with possible signal nonlocality and a
breakdown in Born probability rule from "phase rigidity" that in special
case is Sakharov's "metric elasticity" for the emergence of smooth
curved space-time in the inflationary phase transition where the
inflation field is a virtual electron-positron macro-quantum vacuum
condensate that contains Einstein's metric field guv from the coherent
phase of the local order as well as both dark energy and dark matter as
exotic vacuum zero point quantum pressures negative and positive
respectively from the intensity of the local order parameter.


On Jul 14, 2004, at 4:09 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

fdr2.gif


Non-equilibrium physics for Dummies. (Original presentation)

1. Equilibrium Stat Mech

Start with thermal equilibrium Boltzmann factor with a chemical
potential u constraint conserving total particle number N.

Equilibrium Probability ~ e^-(E - uN)/kT

Bose-Einstein condensation (BEC)

u = 0 signals at Tc and below onset of phase transition violating
N-conservation where N = number of normal fluid particles not in the BEC.

The mean occupation number for IDEAL BOSE GAS is

n(E)/N = [e^(E - uN)/kT - 1]^-1

With u = 0 below the critical temperature Tc as T - 0, n(E) --
Kronecker delta^E,0, where E = p^2/2m on mass shell for real bosons of
rest mass m.

2. Non-equilibrium stat mech.

Every open system has a "cavity quality factor" Q.


Q = E/(dE/dt)

E = energy stored in the open system

dE/dt is rate of energy leak

Q 0 is an active medium like a laser above threshold.


The NONEQUILIBRIUM Boltzman factor is simply


Non-Equilibrium Probability = e^-(E + QP - uN)/kT

P = pump power through-put to open system.

Note that as P - infinity, the effective temperature

T* = T/(QP/E) -- 0

This explains emergence of order in pumped non-equilibrium systems as P
-- infinity.


On Jul 11, 2004, at 11:41 AM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

PS
It is important to understand why Hal Puthoff's previous attempts to
explain this very same data of Ken Shoulders did not work. Hal did not
ask the right question. He is not alone in that of course. Hal made the
false assumption that it was the QED Casimir force that would hold the
100 billion electrons together in the charge cluster. In fact what is
really going on is a completely different physical effect. It is ZPF
induced gravity dependent on partial vacuum coherence. BTW when one
reads "Science and Ultimate Reality" it is obvious how the string-brane
theorists are shining strong lights in the wrong part of the Dark Cave.
You do not now seem to need exorbitant new mathematical superstructures
like "colliding branes" to explain any of the new cosmological
observations nor any of the high energy physics particle observations.

One loose end in the charge clusters model is to explain how total
charge is globally conserved over all. What happens to the positive
charge image cluster (much heavier) twin to the electron cluster?


On Jul 11, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

PS: Ken's lab experiments seem to be relevant to this discussion.
His "charge clusters" (AKA "EVO") that I interpret as glued together by
strong short-range effective gravity induced by micro-quantum zero
point energy exotic vacuum cores on the mesoscopic scale are
self-propelled charged geons. The self-propulsion comes for temporary
unstable inhomogeneous distributions of positive and negative zero
point quantum pressures at different parts of the EVO.

On Jul 11, 2004, at 6:59 AM, Ken Shoulders wrote:

SUPERLUMINAL PARTICLE MEASUREMENTS
by

Ken Shoulders and Dr. Jack Sarfatti

Abstract
Measurements made on clusters of electrons operating as Exotic Vacuum
Objects, or EVOs, show velocities exceeding that of light. A theory of
this behavior is presented based on manipulation of parameters
available in this new field of exotic vacuum engineering.

This paper can be downloaded from: http://www.svn.net/krscfs/

Ken Shoulders



Note that Ken was a long-time collaborator of Hal Puthoff's way back in
Hal's National Security Agency days. Ken has many patents in micro-wave
miniaturization and has devoted many decades to these EVO measurements.

On Jul 11, 2004, at 10:58 AM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

On testing macro-quantum theory of emergent gravity in cosmology
On Jul 10, 2004, at 12:10 PM,

This is the one to shoot down.

http://qedcorp.com/destiny/CoherentCosmos.pdf

(expanded version posted last night)

If you can?

Show it is wrong, or not even wrong.

Happy Hunting.

:-)



Paul
On issue of the tidal stretch-squeeze liquid drop local measurement of
the curvature tensor in free float LIF that is not a problem. As Ray
Chiao points out in his "Conceptual Tensions" paper in "Science and
Ultimate Reality" you need to distinguish the center of mass motion
from the relative motion of a spatially extended object like even a
small liquid drop with small enough surface tension. The g-force
argument of local vanishing of the connection field applies only to
the center of mass effective "point test particle" degree of freedom,
not to the tidal stretch-squeeze relative motions of the pieces of the
liquid drop, which must be "free" (ignorable interparticle forces) to
get a good measurement.

Now, in terms of "nonlocality" of the pure gravity energy.

Obviously we can trivially define a local stress-energy density tensor
for the pure vacuum gravity field as simply


tuv(Geometry) = (c^4/G)Guv

Guv = Ruv - (1/2)Rguv

Einstein's 1916 field equation is then simply

tuv(Geometry) + Tuv(Matter) = 0

In the classical vacuum with zero micro-quantum ZPF i.e. /\zpf = 0

and with Tuv(Matter) = 0

Then trivially

tuv(Geometry) = 0 in non-exotic vacuum.

MTW say this.


The problem is that you cannot get a global Pu from integrating this
tuv(Geometry) over 3D space for a "Geon" in Wheeler's sense.

You need to split the tensor tuv(Geometry) into two pseudo-tensor
pieces, one is a kind of background frame for the other, which when
integrated gives a Pu for gravity waves from the rotating vibrating
Geon.

Note, in terms of metric engineering.

When /\zpf = 0, at the given scale, with zero torsion and zero other
fields from NOT locally gauging complete conformal group,

Tuv(Matter)^;v = 0

tuv(Geometry)^;v = 0

Separately. No intermixing between the geometrodynamics and the matter
fields that live on the geometrodynamics.

This FORBIDS metric engineering. But the situation changes when /\zpf
=/= 0!

I leave for airport to London in a few hours.




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On Jul 11, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

PS: Ken's lab experiments seem to be relevant to this discussion.
His "charge clusters" (AKA "EVO") that I interpret as glued together by
strong short-range effective gravity induced by micro-quantum zero point
energy exotic vacuum cores on the mesoscopic scale are self-propelled
charged geons. The self-propulsion comes for temporary unstable
inhomogeneous distributions of positive and negative zero point quantum
pressures at different parts of the EVO.

On Jul 11, 2004, at 6:59 AM, Ken Shoulders wrote:

SUPERLUMINAL PARTICLE MEASUREMENTS
by

Ken Shoulders and Dr. Jack Sarfatti

Abstract
Measurements made on clusters of electrons operating as Exotic Vacuum
Objects, or EVOs, show velocities exceeding that of light. A theory of
this behavior is presented based on manipulation of parameters available
in this new field of exotic vacuum engineering.

This paper can be downloaded from: http://www.svn.net/krscfs/

Ken Shoulders



Note that Ken was a long-time collaborator of Hal Puthoff's way back in
Hal's National Security Agency days. Ken has many patents in micro-wave
miniaturization and has devoted many decades to these EVO measurements.

On Jul 11, 2004, at 10:58 AM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

On testing macro-quantum theory of emergent gravity in cosmology
On Jul 10, 2004, at 12:10 PM,

This is the one to shoot down.

http://qedcorp.com/destiny/CoherentCosmos.pdf

(expanded version posted last night)

If you can?

Show it is wrong, or not even wrong.

Happy Hunting.

:-)



Paul
On issue of the tidal stretch-squeeze liquid drop local measurement of
the curvature tensor in free float LIF that is not a problem. As Ray
Chiao points out in his "Conceptual Tensions" paper in "Science and
Ultimate Reality" you need to distinguish the center of mass motion from
the relative motion of a spatially extended object like even a small
liquid drop with small enough surface tension. The g-force argument of
local vanishing of the connection field applies only to the center of
mass effective "point test particle" degree of freedom, not to the tidal
stretch-squeeze relative motions of the pieces of the liquid drop, which
must be "free" (ignorable interparticle forces) to get a good measurement.

Now, in terms of "nonlocality" of the pure gravity energy.

Obviously we can trivially define a local stress-energy density tensor
for the pure vacuum gravity field as simply


tuv(Geometry) = (c^4/G)Guv

Guv = Ruv - (1/2)Rguv

Einstein's 1916 field equation is then simply

tuv(Geometry) + Tuv(Matter) = 0

In the classical vacuum with zero micro-quantum ZPF i.e. /\zpf = 0

and with Tuv(Matter) = 0

Then trivially

tuv(Geometry) = 0 in non-exotic vacuum.

MTW say this.


The problem is that you cannot get a global Pu from integrating this
tuv(Geometry) over 3D space for a "Geon" in Wheeler's sense.

You need to split the tensor tuv(Geometry) into two pseudo-tensor
pieces, one is a kind of background frame for the other, which when
integrated gives a Pu for gravity waves from the rotating vibrating Geon.

Note, in terms of metric engineering.

When /\zpf = 0, at the given scale, with zero torsion and zero other
fields from NOT locally gauging complete conformal group,

Tuv(Matter)^;v = 0

tuv(Geometry)^;v = 0

Separately. No intermixing between the geometrodynamics and the matter
fields that live on the geometrodynamics.

This FORBIDS metric engineering. But the situation changes when /\zpf =/= 0!

I leave for airport to London in a few hours.





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Old July 17th 04 posted to sci.math,sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.skeptic,sci.astro
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Default Hawking at GR 17 Dublin


"Jack Sarfatti" wrote in message
. com...
The abstracts for GR 17 are online



snip internally conflicting karma goo


From his site:

"Jack has been working on the post-quantum physics of
consciousness and the paranormal since he directed the famous Esalen
Seminars in 1976 described by Gary Zukav in "The Dancing Wu Li Masters." He
is also working on the connection of the warp drive physics of flying
saucers to the new cosmology observations of anti-gravity "dark energy." "

"Oddly enough I was contacted by I.J. Good in 1980 because a paper I had
published in Psychoenergetic Systems on such an entity was almost identical
including a reference to New Age Death Cults in an obscure talk he had given
in Chicago before some paranormal group. This was in the wake of the
Jonestown mass murder. I had never seen or read or even heard of his talk of
course. Hence, it appears that we were both channeling the same information
from what Jorge Luis Borges simply called "The Author".

# Therefore, Jack must be a paranormal channeler of warp drive physics of
flying saucers, with "dark energy", the Jonestown crowd, and Author the
dude.

ok, obscureism as a way of life.


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Old July 17th 04 posted to sci.math,sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.skeptic,sci.astro
Physicsnanny
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Default Hawking at GR 17 Dublin


"Jack Sarfatti" wrote in message
. com...

snip
I leave for airport to London in a few hours.



You have been putting this last part about leaving on all you posts for a
while. Walking? Or waiting for a ZPF to transport you?


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Old July 17th 04 posted to sci.math,sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.skeptic,sci.astro
Uncle Al
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Default Hawking at GR 17 Dublin

Jack Sarfatti wrote:

The abstracts for GR 17 are online
http://www.dcu.ie/~nolanb/gr17_schedule.htm and I am looking through
them to see which talks I want to catch.

[snip]

Hey Jacko, look up "canthariasis." Do you see a lot of yourself
in there?

--
Uncle Al
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(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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Old July 18th 04 posted to sci.math,sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.skeptic,sci.astro
xxein
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Default Hawking at GR 17 Dublin

Jack Sarfatti wrote in message .com...
The abstracts for GR 17 are online
http://www.dcu.ie/~nolanb/gr17_schedule.htm and I am looking through
them to see which talks I want to catch. Hawking's new result depends on
the Feynman path integral over all Einstein metrics with non-trivial
topologies, i.e. wormholes and star gates. He is still working in
imaginary time I suspect and may be getting imaginary results? The point
however, to to see macro-quantum ODLRO put into the Feynman
micro-quantum formalism. The hologram AsS/CFT idea is that gravity in a
curved 3+1 space derives from a massless conformal quantum field theory
in a globally flat world. This is not incompatible with my picture where
I also have a massless conformal flat quantum field theory in the
pre-inflationary false vacuum. This would be like a virtual 2D quantum
Hall fluid prior to the phase transition to a macro-quantum coherent
state (i.e. the inflation field) forming the true vacuum with gravity
and inertia (rest mass of lepto-quarks & W mesons). That is the virtual
electron-positron plasma is confined to the 2D holographic screen that
is the false vacuum.

On Jul 16, 2004, at 3:45 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

If you can't read this go to larger Acrobat file

http://qedcorp.com/destiny/nonequilibriumphysics.pdf

on the emergence of qualitatively new forms of matter and exotic vacua
in pumped open systems.

The most important last part is tentative as things very busy in London.
I also briefly comment why I

suspect that what Hawking is going to say in Dublin in a few days, while
of great interest, is probably wrong.


On Jul 14, 2004, at 11:46 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:nonequilibrium.doc

See a very interesting article by Marcelo Gleiser Dartmouth College
"The three origins: cosmos, life and mind." More on that later.
More on that anon. Gray day in London. Off to British Museum for
Egyptology Skull and Bones
in the basement. A top archaeologist looked at Lloyd Pye's "Star Child"
skull last night and
concluded it ain't ET - a child's skull intentionally deformed.
Star-studded group in Egyptology assembled
at British Museum last night to hear about The Hyskos Pharoahs. Perhaps
the Jews came from them?
That's not what the lecturer said - only my speculation since they came
from the "East" (Levant)
ruled Egypt for awhile and when overthrown became a slave caste. Would
perhaps explain Joseph & Moses stories.
I will be at Hawking's lecture next week. Like Einstein with
cosmological constant, Hawking may be throwing in the towel to Susskind
too fast because he is depending on micro-quantum physics when he should
be using macro-quantum physics and the rules change!

Micro-quantum physics is nonlocal, linear, unitary with entanglements
and signal locality and the Born probability.

Macro-quantum physics is local, nonlinear, nonunitary with entanglement
suppressed in the macro-mode, with possible signal nonlocality and a
breakdown in Born probability rule from "phase rigidity" that in special
case is Sakharov's "metric elasticity" for the emergence of smooth
curved space-time in the inflationary phase transition where the
inflation field is a virtual electron-positron macro-quantum vacuum
condensate that contains Einstein's metric field guv from the coherent
phase of the local order as well as both dark energy and dark matter as
exotic vacuum zero point quantum pressures negative and positive
respectively from the intensity of the local order parameter.


On Jul 14, 2004, at 4:09 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

fdr2.gif


Non-equilibrium physics for Dummies. (Original presentation)

1. Equilibrium Stat Mech

Start with thermal equilibrium Boltzmann factor with a chemical
potential u constraint conserving total particle number N.

Equilibrium Probability ~ e^-(E - uN)/kT

Bose-Einstein condensation (BEC)

u = 0 signals at Tc and below onset of phase transition violating
N-conservation where N = number of normal fluid particles not in the BEC.

The mean occupation number for IDEAL BOSE GAS is

n(E)/N = [e^(E - uN)/kT - 1]^-1

With u = 0 below the critical temperature Tc as T - 0, n(E) --
Kronecker delta^E,0, where E = p^2/2m on mass shell for real bosons of
rest mass m.

2. Non-equilibrium stat mech.

Every open system has a "cavity quality factor" Q.


Q = E/(dE/dt)

E = energy stored in the open system

dE/dt is rate of energy leak

Q 0 is an active medium like a laser above threshold.


The NONEQUILIBRIUM Boltzman factor is simply


Non-Equilibrium Probability = e^-(E + QP - uN)/kT

P = pump power through-put to open system.

Note that as P - infinity, the effective temperature

T* = T/(QP/E) -- 0

This explains emergence of order in pumped non-equilibrium systems as P
-- infinity.


On Jul 11, 2004, at 11:41 AM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

PS
It is important to understand why Hal Puthoff's previous attempts to
explain this very same data of Ken Shoulders did not work. Hal did not
ask the right question. He is not alone in that of course. Hal made the
false assumption that it was the QED Casimir force that would hold the
100 billion electrons together in the charge cluster. In fact what is
really going on is a completely different physical effect. It is ZPF
induced gravity dependent on partial vacuum coherence. BTW when one
reads "Science and Ultimate Reality" it is obvious how the string-brane
theorists are shining strong lights in the wrong part of the Dark Cave.
You do not now seem to need exorbitant new mathematical superstructures
like "colliding branes" to explain any of the new cosmological
observations nor any of the high energy physics particle observations.

One loose end in the charge clusters model is to explain how total
charge is globally conserved over all. What happens to the positive
charge image cluster (much heavier) twin to the electron cluster?


On Jul 11, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

PS: Ken's lab experiments seem to be relevant to this discussion.
His "charge clusters" (AKA "EVO") that I interpret as glued together by
strong short-range effective gravity induced by micro-quantum zero
point energy exotic vacuum cores on the mesoscopic scale are
self-propelled charged geons. The self-propulsion comes for temporary
unstable inhomogeneous distributions of positive and negative zero
point quantum pressures at different parts of the EVO.

On Jul 11, 2004, at 6:59 AM, Ken Shoulders wrote:

SUPERLUMINAL PARTICLE MEASUREMENTS
by

Ken Shoulders and Dr. Jack Sarfatti

Abstract
Measurements made on clusters of electrons operating as Exotic Vacuum
Objects, or EVOs, show velocities exceeding that of light. A theory of
this behavior is presented based on manipulation of parameters
available in this new field of exotic vacuum engineering.

This paper can be downloaded from: http://www.svn.net/krscfs/

Ken Shoulders



Note that Ken was a long-time collaborator of Hal Puthoff's way back in
Hal's National Security Agency days. Ken has many patents in micro-wave
miniaturization and has devoted many decades to these EVO measurements.

On Jul 11, 2004, at 10:58 AM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

On testing macro-quantum theory of emergent gravity in cosmology
On Jul 10, 2004, at 12:10 PM,

This is the one to shoot down.

http://qedcorp.com/destiny/CoherentCosmos.pdf

(expanded version posted last night)

If you can?

Show it is wrong, or not even wrong.

Happy Hunting.

:-)



Paul
On issue of the tidal stretch-squeeze liquid drop local measurement of
the curvature tensor in free float LIF that is not a problem. As Ray
Chiao points out in his "Conceptual Tensions" paper in "Science and
Ultimate Reality" you need to distinguish the center of mass motion
from the relative motion of a spatially extended object like even a
small liquid drop with small enough surface tension. The g-force
argument of local vanishing of the connection field applies only to
the center of mass effective "point test particle" degree of freedom,
not to the tidal stretch-squeeze relative motions of the pieces of the
liquid drop, which must be "free" (ignorable interparticle forces) to
get a good measurement.

Now, in terms of "nonlocality" of the pure gravity energy.

Obviously we can trivially define a local stress-energy density tensor
for the pure vacuum gravity field as simply


tuv(Geometry) = (c^4/G)Guv

Guv = Ruv - (1/2)Rguv

Einstein's 1916 field equation is then simply

tuv(Geometry) + Tuv(Matter) = 0

In the classical vacuum with zero micro-quantum ZPF i.e. /\zpf = 0

and with Tuv(Matter) = 0

Then trivially

tuv(Geometry) = 0 in non-exotic vacuum.

MTW say this.


The problem is that you cannot get a global Pu from integrating this
tuv(Geometry) over 3D space for a "Geon" in Wheeler's sense.

You need to split the tensor tuv(Geometry) into two pseudo-tensor
pieces, one is a kind of background frame for the other, which when
integrated gives a Pu for gravity waves from the rotating vibrating
Geon.

Note, in terms of metric engineering.

When /\zpf = 0, at the given scale, with zero torsion and zero other
fields from NOT locally gauging complete conformal group,

Tuv(Matter)^;v = 0

tuv(Geometry)^;v = 0

Separately. No intermixing between the geometrodynamics and the matter
fields that live on the geometrodynamics.

This FORBIDS metric engineering. But the situation changes when /\zpf
=/= 0!

I leave for airport to London in a few hours.



xxein: Why bother? Feynman never got it, and Hawking is showing a
desparate attempt to make science. Both futile.

"You need to split the tensor tuv(Geometry) into two pseudo-tensor
pieces, one is a kind of background frame for the other, which when
integrated gives a Pu for gravity waves from the rotating vibrating
Geon."

If you could only put the handle to it. But you still make things
overly complicated.
************************************************** ************************
Hey, you readers. I know that I am responding to a spook. But he is
finally comming down to an unrealized logic.

Ironic is that Hawking is becomming bizzare and Sarfatti bounced off
that wall to start to make a sense.

Hawking may retreat, but Jack is still chasing all the little gremlins
without a plan. Regardless, convergenge - divergence, neither seem to
be able to focus on the more basic logic.

Another point. Science "heroes" rarely agree on anything of
underlying importance. It is all how to fluff "this into that".
************************************************** ***************************
Yeah. Nice talking to you Jack. Let me know when you come back, huh?
 




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