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A Look at Quantum "Spookiness"



 
 
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Old May 28th 04 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Nekciuquy
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A Look at Quantum "Spookiness"

The results of quantum theory were described as "spooky" by Drs. Einstein,
Podalsky, and Rosen because quantum theory seemed to reject "objective
reality". They believed that all observed effects must be produced by "local"
causality. Their conclusion resulted from their firm belief that information
could not travel faster than the velocity of light. Indeed, if this were the
case, quantum theory would indeed be "spooky". Quantum theory required, for
example, that "paired photons" maintain polarizations which were opposite in
direction . If the polarization angle of one of the "paired photons" were
changed, the polarization angle of the other photon of the pair must
instantaneously change to match. ("Paired photons" are produced by the self
annihilation of an artificial atom composed of an electron and a positron. They
are polarized in opposite directions and are emitted in opposite directions.
Their polarization angle is, of course, random with respect to the external
world.)

Since the "paired photons" are emitted in opposite directions, they
rapidly become separated in space. The required instantaneous coupling of their
polarization implies that information must travel at an infinite velocity and,
since these personages were firmly committed to the idea that information could
not be transmitted faster than the velocity of light, they had to conclude that
the process was "spooky" and required the existence of "hidden variables".
(These allegedly "hidden" variables are not necessarily hidden, one of them for
example, is the polarization coupling of "paired photons".Since this coupling
had been shown to propagate at an "impossible" infinite velocity, it was
necessary for orthodox physics to accept the idea of "spookiness". If the
effect were accepted without the idea of "spookiness" it, the existence of an
absolute velocity reference frame for space (i.e.- the Aether) would have to be
accepted. Since this is currently dogmatically unacceptable, a problem
remained.

An alternative explanation, proposed by the "Copenhagen School" of
physicists asserted that there was no objective reality, there was only the
reality as seen by the observer. This interpretation led to Schroedinger's Cat
Paradox which asserted that a cat in a closed box that would be subject to
cyanide poisoning if the decay of a radioactive atom was detected by
instruments within the box. It was further asserted that, since the decay of
the atom and thus the death of the cat, the creature was both dead and alive
until an external observer opened the box and looked. The reasoning behind this
was the idea that an event does not occur until it is observed. This does not
seem to be an objectionable idea, per se, but the observation that counts in
this Paradox is the decay of the radioactive atom, not the observation by an
external observer. The cat is not both alive and dead prior to his observation,
it is one or the other, but not both. The fact that the observer does not know
is meaningless. It is only attributed as having meaning as a result of
intellectual sloppiness. Schroedinger's Cat Paradox is not a paradox.

A different approach to resolving the "spookiness" of Quantum theory is
the idea of Parallel Universes. In this interpretation, each particle in the
Universe creates an unobservable twin every time it makes a quantum "decision"
The result is that each particle creates an unobservable "Parallel Universe" at
virtually every instant of time occurring since our Universe began. When one
considers the number of particles in the Universe, the number of ways in which
they can interact, and the number of instants of time since the Universe began,
the number of Universes which are required under this theory is, incredibly, at
least 10^160. What is equally incredible is that each of these Universes
contains the same amount of energy as our own and each of its particles
occupies the same space at the same time as do its brothers. This
interpretation seems to have a large number of believers of high reputation. In
spite of this, the writer has no qualms about asserting that any physicist who
would accept such a concept is in the wrong line of work. I understand that
Wal-Mart is hiring.

When one examines the concept that information cannot propagate faster
than the velocity of light one finds that it is based on the fact that
information is almost always encoded in the form of energy. Since the Lorentz
Transformation for energy is 1/(1-V^2/C^2^0.% (the same as the Lorentz
Transformation for Length), it is obvious why information cannot propagate
faster than the velocity of light. At the velocity of light, the Lorentz
Transformation for Energy becomes infinite. The transformation becomes
imaginary! Information encoded in the form of energy certainly cannot propagate
faster that the velocity of light. When information is encoded in the form of
the polarization angles of "paired photons", however, this limitation does not
occur. Changing the polarization angle of a photon does not change its energy.
As a result, no energy transfer is involved in changing their polarization
angles. If one extracts the Lorentz Transformation for Angle using the
conventional Lorentz Transformations, one find that this transformation is
unity since angle is equal to a LENGTH along an arc divided by the LENGTH of
the radius of that arc. Accordingly, the Lorentz Transformation for Angle
becomes ((1-V^2/C^2)/(1-V^2/C^2))^0.5 or unity. One might conclude, therefore,
that the relativistic processes do not impose a velocity limit on the
propagation of the polarization angle of the "paired photons" and it is
reasonable to expect that velocity to be infinite. "Spookiness" is not needed.

Physicists have also concluded that even if information could be
transmitted by the use of "paired photons", that information could not be
decoded singe the polarization angle of the "paired photons" emitted by their
source was completely random. If this limitation could not be overcome, the
conclusion would indeed by true, but consider that would happen if a pair of
parallel axis polarizers were installed at opposite ends of the photon source.
In this case the paired photons which were emitted would not be randomly
polarized but would be polarized in parallelism. Communicating over a distance
at an infinite velocity would then be perfectly feasible. The most dangerous
part of this conclusion is that it would establish the existence of "absolute
time" and the existence of the classical Aether and would demolish the
hare-brained concept of "space-time".

The source material for this posting may be found in "Gravity" (1987),
"The Einstein Hoax" (1997), and "Corrections to Residual Errors in Special
Relativity (1999) located at http://www.members.aol.com/einsteinhoax/site.htm .
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REQUIREMENT. THE WORLD IS ENTITLED TO A HIGHER STANDARD OF WORKMANSHIP FROM
THOSE IT HAS GRANTED WORLD CLASS STATUS.

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A Look at Quantum "Spookiness"


[In an Alain Aspect like Bell experiment]
since the "paired photons" are emitted in opposite directions,
they rapidly become separated in space.
The required instantaneous coupling of their polarization
implies that information must travel at an infinite velocity


However this information channel cannot be used to transfer information
faster than light as far as our technology doesn't allow us to find a way
out of quantum measurement indeterminacy.

consider that would happen if a pair of parallel axis
polarizers were installed at opposite ends of the photon source.
In this case the paired photons which were emitted would not
be randomly polarized but would be polarized in parallelism.
Communicating over a distance at an infinite
velocity would then be perfectly feasible.


No. If it was so simple a matter, this would have been achieved long before.
You have misunderstood how quantum spin measurement fuzziness works.
A 0° polarizer doesn't compell a photon to chose a 0° polarization.
It contrives a photon to chose randomly among a 0° or a 90°
polarization with the same randomnes than that of an heads or tails game...
....up to now.

Bernard Chaverondier
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lebigbang
Compatibility of Alain Aspect experiment interpretation as an action at a
distance with a formulation of Special Relativity in the framework of
Aristotle space-time (and an interpretation of relativist invariance as an
intrinsic property of phenomena that actually satisfy this invariance).


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A Look at Quantum "Spookiness"


[In an Alain Aspect like Bell experiment]
since the "paired photons" are emitted in opposite directions,
they rapidly become separated in space.
The required instantaneous coupling of their polarization
implies that information must travel at an infinite velocity


However this information channel cannot be used to transfer information
faster than light as far as our technology doesn't allow us to find a way
out of quantum measurement indeterminacy.

consider that would happen if a pair of parallel axis
polarizers were installed at opposite ends of the photon source.
In this case the paired photons which were emitted would not
be randomly polarized but would be polarized in parallelism.
Communicating over a distance at an infinite
velocity would then be perfectly feasible.


No. If it was so simple a matter, this would have been achieved long before.
You have misunderstood how quantum spin measurement fuzziness works.
A 0° polarizer doesn't compell a photon to chose a 0° polarization.
It contrives a photon to chose randomly among a 0° or a 90°
polarization with the same randomnes than that of an heads or tails game...
....up to now.

Bernard Chaverondier
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lebigbang
Compatibility of Alain Aspect experiment interpretation as an action at a
distance with a formulation of Special Relativity in the framework of
Aristotle space-time (and an interpretation of relativist invariance as an
intrinsic property of phenomena that actually satisfy this invariance).



 




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