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Heisenburg's Uncertainty Principle.



 
 
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Old May 25th 04 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Len Gaasenbeek
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HEISENBURG'S UNCERTAINTY PRINCIPLE

Heisenburg's Uncertainty Principle states that an observer of a relativistic
particle can only know its position or its velocity, not both.

He bases his conjecture on the fact that we can only measure these
parameters with the aid of photons. Since these photons affect the
relativistic particle's position and/or velocity (speed and direction), it
is impossible to make such measurements.

However the fact that we can't measure something doesn't mean that whatever
we are trying to measure doesn't exist.
Until recently it was impossible to take a look at the back of the moon,
since it faces the earth the same way as it circles around us. Yet this
doesn't mean that the moon doesn't have a back.

Since I propose that all relativistic particles (particles that travel at
close to the speed of light) follow a helical path, I contend that it is
possible to calculate both the position and the velocity of a relativistic
particle at a given time t. Providing we know the starting position of the
h.w. particle as well as its h.w. frequency, amplitude and the speed at
which the helical particle wave progresses through space (or its helical
wavelength).

Suppose we observe a helical wave particle that travels away from us,
following a counter clock-wise helical path.
Next we measure the x-coordinate of the particle from the centre line of the
helical wave to the right. The y-coordinate of the particle is measured
from the centre line up. The z-coordinate of the particle is the distance
it has traveled away from the observer along the centre line at time t.

Providing we know the starting point of the h.w. particle at time zero, we
can now calculate its position and the direction in which it is travelling
at any given time t.

When we observe the particle travelling away from us, it will appear to be
travelling in a circle.

t = the time at which the measurement is made.
f = the frequency of the helical wave particle.
A = the amplitude of the helical wave particle and
G stands for the wavelength gamma of the helical wave particle.

At any time t the coordinates of the h.w. particle are as follows:

z = t f G
x = A/2 cos. (t f 360)
y = A/2 sin. (t f 360)

The direction in which the particle is travelling is determined by the
position on its helical trajectory at time t, which is a function of its
coordinates z, x, and y.

If we think of a helical particle wave as a helical coil spring, the
direction in which particle is travelling will always be along the coil
spring. Once we know its position, we know in which direction it is
travelling at that point in time.

Enjoy, Len.

PS, For further information see my website at:
http://www2.rideau.net/gaasbeek


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Old May 25th 04 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Dirk Van de moortel
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"Len Gaasenbeek" wrote in message ...

HEISENBURG'S UNCERTAINTY PRINCIPLE


You have the wrong spelling there, mr. Goosebutt.
That's 5 points http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

Dirk Vdm


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Old May 25th 04 posted to sci.physics.relativity
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Len Gaasenbeek:

HEISENBURG'S UNCERTAINTY PRINCIPLE

Heisenburg's Uncertainty Principle states that an observer of a relativistic
particle can only know its position or its velocity, not both.


That is not what the uncertainty principle states.


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Old May 25th 04 posted to sci.physics.relativity
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Len Gaasenbeek a écrit :
HEISENBURG'S UNCERTAINTY PRINCIPLE

Heisenburg's Uncertainty Principle states that an observer of a relativistic
particle can only know its position or its velocity, not both.


Heiseb*e*rg's Principle definitely does not state that, and has nothing
to do with relativity, it applies to any particle, relativist or not.

He bases his conjecture on the fact that we can only measure these
parameters with the aid of photons. Since these photons affect the
relativistic particle's position and/or velocity (speed and direction), it
is impossible to make such measurements.


This is not true, why don't you try to learn something about what you
pretend speaking about without dying ?

- Heisenberg's conjecture is not based on photon only measure, it is
based on any kind of measure with any kind of mean.

- Heisenberg's principle can be stated without any reference
to the problem of perturbartion when measuring. It is a general
principle coming from non-commutativity of operators (you have the
same kind of relation between energy and time for instance)

- Heisenberg's interpretation of his own principle (which should better
be called "Undermination Principle" than "Uncertainty Principle") has
been refuted by an experiment. The point is in undiscernability of
paths, not interaction. See S. Dürr, T. Nonn, G. Rempe in Nature :
http://www.mpq.mpg.de/qdynamics/members/S.Duerr.html

[snip the rest of bull****]



 




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