Being a frequenter of the forums for quite a while now, I've seen what
goes on in here during your debates. The discussions of your proof
seems to date back to 1999 and even earlier on these forums. You seem
to to be motivated by a Higher Goal in promoting this proof, and you
believe that this Scientific Proof, once recognized by the scientific
establishment, in and by itself will bring salvation to millions of
starving and poor people around the world. You do this because it is
the soul's nature to be of service to others in any fashion it can
find, and you obviously have this very strongly developed in you.
Otherwise you wouldn't go to the lengths you had.
However, there is a question that you have to ask yourself honestly.
It has been bubbling in the back of your mind for years. Is the method
you're using to attempt to bring about this change, namely through
endless violent debates with other intellectuals, or through trying to
bring this matter to attention of the churches and the scientific
establishment, truly is the right way? Or can it be, can it really be,
that there is another way, a more natural and less artificial way, a
true path to bringing about this change, that will bring you the
meaning and purpose you seek?
You said in one of your replies that Jesus was one of those beings who
was above the need for fighting and arguing. That he was above it. In
a sense that is true. Do you want to know WHY he was like this? WHAT
it is that that gave him that edge? Was it truly a more fully grown
Physical Brain that he had? No. It has NOTHING to do with brain
growth. It has EVERYTHING to do with the type of conciousness that he
embodied. People have misunderstood the meaning of the "Christ" part
in Jesus Christ's name. It has deeper meaning that just a word for
"Messiah". The "Christ" in Jesus' name symbolize the Christ
Conciousness. That is what Jesus had, that was the edge that motivated
him to perform every single act that he did. The 2nd Coming of Christ
is not the return of the person Jesus to the earth to serve as the
leader of mankind. Jesus resides in the World of Spirit as an Ascended
Master who guides the evolution of humanity. The 2nd Coming of Christ
means the return of the Christ Conciousness to earth after millenias
of darkness. The Christ Conciousness is the Only Begotten Son of God,
and Jesus embodied that conciousness fully as a result of follwing his
Spiritual Path.

Humanity has one major problem. One major illness. That illness is the
Lower Conciousness that it has fell into. All the diplomas, master
degrees, PHDs, and intellectual knowledge and all the scientific books
on this Earth will not serve to raise that conciousness back on its
feet, nor will the knowledge contained in them will serve to solve the
numerous ills of Humanity. There is only one solution and only one way
to make a true difference. Aspiring to see beyond the obvious,
eliminate that mental box which imprisons you, and raising your
conciousness to higher level. The earth doesn't need more Christians.
The earth needs more Christs.

Remember that you are now living history and it is a great time to be
alive. Humanity is about to go through a leap in conciousness that has
not occured in 2 thousand years. That leap needs momentum and the only
way to facilitate it is that more and more people aspire to a higher
form of existence, a higher conciousness. It can only be done through
Humanity. The people aspring and embodying a Higher Conciousness will
be those bring the massive positive change that humanity so
desperately needs.

Jesus has been watching the state of Christianity for 2 thousand years
and his heart aches seeing it in its dogmatic state, and the cult of
idolatry built around him, promoting him as the Only Son of God. With
a heavy heart he has to watch himself turned into a tool by which
people are imprisoned instead of liberated from this prison by
following blind church dogma and erroneusly believing that they are
saved. Jesus is now on a Mission Impossible from God to awaken
Humanity to the Ascension potential that this new age now offers, and
remember who they truly are. That ALL have the potential to being a
true Son and Daughter of God, and Jesus was not the exception, but the
EXAMPLE to follow.

I suggest that you devote a bit of your time to the following pages.
This is bar none the best description of the Human Spiritual State of
Affairs that you are likely to find anywhere.

Jesus' Mission:
http://www.askrealjesus.com/LIVING%2...mpossible.html

The Path of Individual Christhood:
http://www.askrealjesus.com/TEACHING...isth1main.html

Do NOT IGNORE THIS. Do NOT fail to take this matter with the
seriousness it warrants. This was written for people who are
internally ready for a change, yet do not conciously recognize it.
Soon enough, there will simply not be any TIME left to utilize this
information, and by then it will be too late. I'll give you a hint.
Your assumption that the standard of living will keep rising into
infinity is about to evaporate in front of your eyes.

I'll conclude with this.
During the start of Freddy vs Jason a haunting motherly voice says the
following:

"Jason! My special, special boy! Do you know what your gift is? You
cannot die. No matter what they do to you, you can NEVER die. You have
just been sleeping, honey. But now, the time has come to wake up.
Mommy has something she wants you to do. RISE UP JASON! YOUR WORK
ISN'T FINISHED! HEAR MY VOICE, AND LIVE AGAIN!"

RISE UP HAMMOND! CEASE THE DEBATING WITH UNCLE AL, MICHEAL VARNEY, AND
OTHERS WHO ACT NATURALLY AS MIRRORS TO YOUR CURRENT TEMPORARY NATURE,
RECOGNIZE YOURSELF AS AN ASPECT OF GOD IN DISGUISE, AND BEGIN DOING
WHAT YOU INCARNATED ON THIS PLANET TO DO. TIME TO START CHANNELING
THAT ENERGY TO THE ONLY THING THAT WILL GIVE THOSE YOU WISH TO SAVE A
TRUE CHANCE. I HOPE JESUS' WORDS CAN MAKE YOU TAKE THAT ONE STEP AND
THE ONE CHANGE OF PATH THAT WILL MAKE A TRUE CHANGE IN YOUR LIFE AND
BRING YOU THE REDEMPTION YOU SEEK.

WHY IS THIS MEANT SPECIFICALLY TO YOU? BECAUSE YOU ARE ALLREADY READY
FOR A CHANGE, AND DO NOT RECOGNIZE IT YET. HOPEFULLY YOU AND OTHER
CHRISTIANS WILL LISTEN TO WHAT JESUS' IS TRYING TO TELL THEM, AND
START FOCUSING ON WHAT REALLY MATTERS IN THIS POINT IN MANKIND'S
HISTORY, INSTEAD OF CONTINUING MEANINGLESS DEBATES ABOUT RELIGIOUS
AND SCIENTIFICAL INTERPRETATIONS.

Best Regards,
Roy Henn

"Roy Henn" wrote in message
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snip

You said in one of your replies that Jesus was one of those beings who
was above the need for fighting and arguing. That he was above it. In
a sense that is true. Do you want to know WHY he was like this? WHAT
it is that that gave him that edge? Was it truly a more fully grown
Physical Brain that he had?


[Hammond]
Yes. In the first place NO ONE can stand up in front of
hostile crowds of thousands of people unless they have
a "commanding physical prescence". Jesus must have been
the size of Bill Clinton, Elvis Presley or John Kerry or
they would have torn him to pieces the first time he sounded
like a "reed shaking in the wind".
What do these commanding figures have.... SUPERIOR GROWTH
to put it in a nutshell... just like every public figure has... whether
you are a movie star, public official or military general, and
BELIEVE ME Jesus was very high on the growth curve... high
enough to wow and keep still crowds of thousands who would
attack and stone him at the first sign of physical fear.
High growth means high brain growth... high brain growth
means you can "SEE" what a person with poor growth cannot
see (the rest of us). Not only that, Jesus KNEW THIS and
knew therefore what God is, and was here to tll us what God
is so that we would know, and know what to look for to
FIND GOD. (it turns out brain growth is always ongoing
and you can increase your ability to see god (reality) if you
know that such a thing exists).




No. It has NOTHING to do with brain
growth. It has EVERYTHING to do with the type of conciousness that he
embodied.

[Hammond]
It has everything to do with brain growth, and the "consciousness"
you are talkking about is simply that... consciousness of what
god is and what to look for and a knowledge of what's wrong
with people, including yourself, and how to protect yourself
from exploitation and how to make progress and how to
save yourself when the chips go down against you.

snip

WHY IS THIS MEANT SPECIFICALLY TO YOU? BECAUSE YOU ARE ALLREADY READY
FOR A CHANGE, AND DO NOT RECOGNIZE IT YET. HOPEFULLY YOU AND OTHER
CHRISTIANS WILL LISTEN TO WHAT JESUS' IS TRYING TO TELL THEM, AND
START FOCUSING ON WHAT REALLY MATTERS IN THIS POINT IN MANKIND'S
HISTORY, INSTEAD OF CONTINUING MEANINGLESS DEBATES ABOUT RELIGIOUS
AND SCIENTIFICAL INTERPRETATIONS.

Best Regards,
Roy Henn

[Hammond]
Thanks Roy... but you are only a footsoldier, a Capo in
God's army... I'm a 5-star general... a Don. Follow me.
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"Roy Henn" wrote in message
om...
Being a frequenter of the forums for quite a while now, I've seen what
goes on in here during your debates. The discussions of your proof
seems to date back to 1999 and even earlier on these forums. You seem
to to be motivated by a Higher Goal in promoting this proof, and you
believe that this Scientific Proof, once recognized by the scientific
establishment, in and by itself will bring salvation to millions of
starving and poor people around the world. You do this because it is
the soul's nature to be of service to others in any fashion it can
find, and you obviously have this very strongly developed in you.
Otherwise you wouldn't go to the lengths you had.

No. Hammond is an egotistical crackpot. He does it for his ego and because
he is nuts.

SNIP crap

Michael Varney wrote:

"Roy Henn" wrote in message
om...

Being a frequenter of the forums for quite a while now, I've seen what
goes on in here during your debates. The discussions of your proof
seems to date back to 1999 and even earlier on these forums. You seem
to to be motivated by a Higher Goal in promoting this proof, and you
believe that this Scientific Proof, once recognized by the scientific
establishment, in and by itself will bring salvation to millions of
starving and poor people around the world. You do this because it is
the soul's nature to be of service to others in any fashion it can
find, and you obviously have this very strongly developed in you.
Otherwise you wouldn't go to the lengths you had.


No. Hammond is an egotistical crackpot. He does it for his ego and because
he is nuts.

SNIP crap

That's what you choose to focus on? You weren't intrigued by the "Freddy
vs Jason" reference and side story? I though it was a wonderful transition!

In article ,
Roy Henn wrote:

You said in one of your replies that Jesus was one of those beings who
was above the need for fighting and arguing. That he was above it. In
a sense that is true. Do you want to know WHY he was like this? WHAT
it is that that gave him that edge? Was it truly a more fully grown
Physical Brain that he had? No. It has NOTHING to do with brain
growth. It has EVERYTHING to do with the type of conciousness that he
embodied.

And also because he was elusive (John 8:59, "At that they picked up rocks
to throw at Jesus, but he hid himself and slipped out of the temple
precincts"), fleet of foot (John 11:39, "At these words they again tried
to arrest him, but he eluded their grasp"), and knew when to lay low
(John 12:53-54 "From that day onward there was a plan afoot to kill him.
In consequence, Jesus no longer moved about freely in Jewish circles.").

--
"Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of
Congress... But I repeat myself." - Mark Twain

TMG wrote in message ...
Michael Varney wrote:

"Roy Henn" wrote in message
om...

Being a frequenter of the forums for quite a while now, I've seen what
goes on in here during your debates. The discussions of your proof
seems to date back to 1999 and even earlier on these forums. You seem
to to be motivated by a Higher Goal in promoting this proof, and you
believe that this Scientific Proof, once recognized by the scientific
establishment, in and by itself will bring salvation to millions of
starving and poor people around the world. You do this because it is
the soul's nature to be of service to others in any fashion it can
find, and you obviously have this very strongly developed in you.
Otherwise you wouldn't go to the lengths you had.


No. Hammond is an egotistical crackpot. He does it for his ego and because
he is nuts.

SNIP crap

That's what you choose to focus on? You weren't intrigued by the "Freddy
vs Jason" reference and side story? I though it was a wonderful transition!

Thanks TMG!
Hammond's stubborness seems more monumental than I thought.
Anyways, no one bothered to address the core issue - what is written
in the links I have posted. I would like your opinion of what Jesus is
saying there.
You too Gregory. All though I believe you will find it a blasphemy and
a "False Teaching" like so many other christians who dismissed it when
I showed it to them.

I would be grateful if you would let us know your height.

My theory is that you are either extremely short, with an inferiority
complex, or extremely tall, trying to explain why banging your head on
doorframes is a good price to pay for being God.

Having said that, surely only an extremely tall person could have made
this 'discovery'?

I'm 6' 2" and don't agree with you.

On 26 May 2004 07:14:37 -0700 in alt.atheism, Richard Back
(Richard Back)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism



I would be grateful if you would let us know your height.

My theory is that you are either extremely short, with an inferiority
complex, or extremely tall, trying to explain why banging your head on
doorframes is a good price to pay for being God.

Having said that, surely only an extremely tall person could have made
this 'discovery'?

I'm 6' 2" and don't agree with you.

Lol.

My personal opinion is that Hammond had a breakdown while doing his
Ph.D and never got over it. That said, I'd be delighted to be shown to
be wrong on this, which he can easily do by telling us why he never
completed it.


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"Richard Back" wrote in message
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I would be grateful if you would let us know your height.

My theory is that you are either extremely short, with an inferiority
complex, or extremely tall, trying to explain why banging your head on
doorframes is a good price to pay for being God.

[Hammond]
I'm only 5'10".. the smallest one in my family.... all my brothers
are over 6'2". I have the largest "growth deficit" obviously,
and also the highest "genetics"... (I'm the first in my family
to graduate from college.. advanced degree in physics
by the way)... on the other hand the rest of my family is
"lower genetics" and "higher growth"... for instance i have one
uncle 85 who is still active in the Democratic party in
Missouri, and another uncle, now dead, who was police chief
of Newbury Ma. My "high genetics" and "low growth" is
the classic perscription for an "intellectual" ( this is beyond
your knowledge of course,) but I'll mention it anyway... it is also
the national syndrome of the "Jews" which is why they
are historically famous for being "intellectuals" and discovered
"God" before anyone else. It is also why they are constantly
being attacked by "high growth/low genetics" people like the
Palistinians, Nazis, Iraqis etc. Boy.... you guys don't know anything
about LIFE! You've got a lot to learn.... about the scientific
explanation and proof of God.



Having said that, surely only an extremely tall person could have made
this 'discovery'?

I'm 6' 2" and don't agree with you.

[Hammond]
you better find out what you're talking about.... the world
is soon going to thear about it... and you better figure it out before
they do.

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"Michael Varney" wrote in message
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"Roy Henn" wrote in message
om...
Being a frequenter of the forums for quite a while now, I've seen what
goes on in here during your debates. The discussions of your proof
seems to date back to 1999 and even earlier on these forums. You seem
to to be motivated by a Higher Goal in promoting this proof, and you
believe that this Scientific Proof, once recognized by the scientific
establishment, in and by itself will bring salvation to millions of
starving and poor people around the world. You do this because it is
the soul's nature to be of service to others in any fashion it can
find, and you obviously have this very strongly developed in you.
Otherwise you wouldn't go to the lengths you had.

No. Hammond is an egotistical crackpot. He does it for his ego and
because
he is nuts.

SNIP crap

[Hammond]
Varney who is now universally referred to
as "POSTER BOY VARNEY" after a fabulously
long thread by that name... is a bull**** psycho
moron attending some gun nut college in
Colorado.... he apparently is on the verge
of going full psycho and doing something stupid
and getting thrown out of a PhD program in physics.
I suggest he go watch Mel Gibson's _Passion of the
Christ_ a few times... maybe it'll give him a
clue as to "...whats it all about Alfie".

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