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Another SR conundrum.



 
 
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Old May 20th 04 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Hayek
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Default Another SR conundrum.


Realizing that Foucaults pendulum would rotate
against the stars and stay fixed at the black hole,
when placed sufficiently nearby, I was willing to
concede that GR was not an absolute theory after all.

But then it dawned on me that for flat spacetime, a
prerequisite for SR, it still *IS* an *absolute* theory.

Catch 22 for SR.

Uwe Hayek.

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is to be controlled in everything -- F.A.Hayek.

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Old May 20th 04 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Dirk Van de moortel
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Default Another SR conundrum.


"Hayek" wrote in message ...

Realizing that Foucaults pendulum would rotate
against the stars and stay fixed at the black hole,
when placed sufficiently nearby, I was willing to
concede that GR was not an absolute theory after all.

But then it dawned on me that for flat spacetime, a
prerequisite for SR, it still *IS* an *absolute* theory.

Catch 22 for SR.

Uwe Hayek.


Te lang in de zon gezeten vandaag?

Dirk Vdm


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Old May 20th 04 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Bilge
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Default Another SR conundrum.

Hayek, the village idiot,


Realizing that Foucaults pendulum would rotate
against the stars and stay fixed at the black hole,
when placed sufficiently nearby, I was willing to
concede that GR was not an absolute theory after all.

But then it dawned on me that for flat spacetime, a
prerequisite for SR, it still *IS* an *absolute* theory.

Catch 22 for SR.


Isn't it about time for you to get that brain transplant so that
your mental status is more on par with organisms in the animal
kingdom?


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Old May 20th 04 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Hayek
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Default Another SR conundrum.



Dirk Van de moortel wrote:

"Hayek" wrote in
message
...

Realizing that Foucaults pendulum would rotate
against the stars and stay fixed at the black
hole, when placed sufficiently nearby, I was
willing to concede that GR was not an absolute
theory after all.

But then it dawned on me that for flat
spacetime, a prerequisite for SR, it still *IS*
an *absolute* theory.

Catch 22 for SR.

Uwe Hayek.



Te lang in de zon gezeten vandaag?


Het is aan de kust veel koeler dan in het
binnenland, en je merkt dat ook wel aan de reacties
uit het binnenland.

Uwe Hayek.

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To be controlled in our economic pursuits,
is to be controlled in everything -- F.A.Hayek.

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Old May 20th 04 posted to sci.physics.relativity
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Default Another SR conundrum.



Bilge wrote:

Hayek, the village idiot,


Realizing that Foucaults pendulum would rotate
against the stars and stay fixed at the black
hole, when placed sufficiently nearby, I was
willing to concede that GR was not an absolute
theory after all.

But then it dawned on me that for flat
spacetime, a prerequisite for SR, it still *IS*
an *absolute* theory.

Catch 22 for SR.


Isn't it about time for you to get that brain
transplant so that your mental status is more on
par with organisms in the animal kingdom?


A rather elaborate way of saying that again you
don't have a clue about what I am talking about.

Uwe Hayek.

--
To be controlled in our economic pursuits,
is to be controlled in everything -- F.A.Hayek.

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Old May 21st 04 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Bilge
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Default Another SR conundrum.

Hayek:
Bilge wrote:


Isn't it about time for you to get that brain
transplant so that your mental status is more on
par with organisms in the animal kingdom?


A rather elaborate way of saying that again you
don't have a clue about what I am talking about.


Sorry. Gibberish isn't my first languange. Perhaps you could
try writing in a language with logical structure.

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Old May 21st 04 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Hayek
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Default Another SR conundrum.



Bilge wrote:

Hayek:
Bilge wrote:


Isn't it about time for you to get that brain
transplant so that your mental status is
more on par with organisms in the animal
kingdom?


A rather elaborate way of saying that again you
don't have a clue about what I am talking
about.


Sorry. Gibberish isn't my first languange.
Perhaps you could try writing in a language with
logical structure.


Then read some string theory.

Uwe Hayek.

--
To be controlled in our economic pursuits,
is to be controlled in everything -- F.A.Hayek.

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Old May 21st 04 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Hayek
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Default Another SR conundrum.



Bilge wrote:

Hayek:
Bilge wrote:


Isn't it about time for you to get that brain
transplant so that your mental status is
more on par with organisms in the animal
kingdom?


A rather elaborate way of saying that again you
don't have a clue about what I am talking
about.


Sorry. Gibberish isn't my first languange.
Perhaps you could try writing in a language with
logical structure.


On 2nd reading.

Perhaps you should try using your "superior" method
and explain time, a clock, relativity , and QM.


"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality,
they are not certain, as far as they are certain,
they do not refer to reality." --Albert Einstein

Einstein Quote 1908 : "Ever since the Mathematicians
got their hands on relativity I no longer understand
it"

Imagination is more important than knowledge. --
Albert Einstein

And take a lesson from Heisenberg :

"The physicist may be satisfied when he has the
mathematical scheme and knows how to use for the
interpretation of the experiments. But he has to
speak about his results also to nonÐphysicists who
will not be satisfied unless some explanation is
given in plain language. Even for the physicist the
description in plain language will be the criterion
of the degree of understanding that has been
reached. --Werner Heisenberg in Physics and Philosophy

So according to Heisenberg, if you can describe it
in Gibberish, you truly understand it.

Rotfl.

Uwe Hayek.



--
To be controlled in our economic pursuits,
is to be controlled in everything -- F.A.Hayek.

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Old May 21st 04 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Bilge
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Default Another SR conundrum.

Hayek:
Bilge wrote:

Hayek:
Bilge wrote:


Isn't it about time for you to get that brain
transplant so that your mental status is
more on par with organisms in the animal
kingdom?

A rather elaborate way of saying that again you
don't have a clue about what I am talking
about.


Sorry. Gibberish isn't my first languange.
Perhaps you could try writing in a language with
logical structure.


Then read some string theory.


Provide an example.

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Old May 22nd 04 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Bilge
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Default Another SR conundrum.

Hayek, who lacks enough imagination to do anything but quote text
which doesn't agree with him,

Bilge wrote:


Sorry. Gibberish isn't my first languange.
Perhaps you could try writing in a language with
logical structure.


On 2nd reading.

Perhaps you should try using your "superior" method
and explain time, a clock, relativity , and QM.


Reread my post to regarding coupling constants and intrinsic
time scales.

"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality,
they are not certain, as far as they are certain,
they do not refer to reality." --Albert Einstein

Einstein Quote 1908 : "Ever since the Mathematicians
got their hands on relativity I no longer understand
it"


Eintein did not say that meaningless, repetitive droning about
``inertia meters'' had more to do with reality than mathematics
and he certainly never said that your gibberish about ``inertia
meters'' makes more sense than relativity in the hands of
mathematicians.

Imagination is more important than knowledge. --
Albert Einstein


So, does that mean you think lewis carroll was a great contributor
to science or as is the usual case, you've deliberately misconstrued
the meaning of some quoted text to suit your agenda and you lack
the imagination to anything but misconstrue quoted text?

And take a lesson from Heisenberg :

"The physicist may be satisfied when he has the mathematical scheme and
knows how to use for the interpretation of the experiments. But he has to
speak about his results also to nonÐphysicists who will not be satisfied
unless some explanation is given in plain language. Even for the physicist
the description in plain language will be the criterion of the degree of
understanding that has been reached. --Werner Heisenberg in Physics and
Philosophy


So according to Heisenberg, if you can describe it
in Gibberish, you truly understand it.


Where did heisenberg say anything about gibberish? He clearly says,
``to nonphysicists who will not be satisfied unless some explanation
is given in plain language''. He certainly does not say that every
nonphysicist will like the plain language explanation and he most
certainly did not suggest that one should try to satisfy a crackpot
by giving them an explanation in gibberish.


 




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