Agnostics suppose that before big bang there could be "god". And "god"
created big bang.

Some physicists have demonstrated that before big bang there MUST be matter.

So the cause of big bang is matter and not god.

Thus, physics has demonstrated that kind of god(god who created big bang:
cause of big bang) does not exist. That kind of god can't exist.

Franco

"Franco" tecnë:
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Agnostics suppose that before big bang there could be "god". And "god"
created big bang.

False.


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Born to breathe Nothing is what I am No-one to save me
From myself I can't see Blind is what I am
Swimming for the womb Like everybody else"

On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:24:04 GMT, "Franco"
wrote:

Agnostics suppose that before big bang there could be "god". And "god"
created big bang.

No.

Some physicists have demonstrated that before big bang there MUST be matter.

No.

So the cause of big bang is matter and not god.

No.

Thus, physics has demonstrated that kind of god(god who created big bang:
cause of big bang) does not exist. That kind of god can't exist.

Non-sequitur.

Franco

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"Franco" tecnë:
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Agnostics suppose that before big bang there could be "god". And "god"
created big bang.

False.


What kind of hypothesis make up agnostics? If that is false, could you tell
us what kind of hypothesis make up agnostics?

Regards,
Franco

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On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:24:04 GMT, "Franco"
wrote:

Agnostics suppose that before big bang there could be "god". And "god"
created big bang.

No.



And what kind of hypothesis make up an agnostic?





Some physicists have demonstrated that before big bang there MUST be
matter.

No.


No matter? And then, what?







So the cause of big bang is matter and not god.

No.


God or matter? Or both?

Regards,
Franco

On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:37:07 GMT, "Franco"
wrote:


Christopher A. Lee ha scritto nel messaggio ...
On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:24:04 GMT, "Franco"
wrote:

Agnostics suppose that before big bang there could be "god". And "god"
created big bang.

No.

And what kind of hypothesis make up an agnostic?

Several possibilities:
- someone who doesn't know whether or not there is a god.
- someone who believes the answer to "the god question" can never be
known
- an atheist who is surrounded by theists, who doesn't want to use the
word atheist because of its negative connotations

Some physicists have demonstrated that before big bang there MUST be
matter.

No.

No matter? And then, what?

Nobody has demonstrated anything prior to Planck time - 10^43 sec
_after_ the big bang.

However modern cosmology and physics have made several postulations
that satisfy conservation, including expanding from a quantum event
with a zero sum so that matter + anti-matter + energy + gravity all
adds up to zero.

However these have not been "demonstrated".

So the cause of big bang is matter and not god.

No.

God or matter? Or both?

You snipped the bit about that being a non-sequitur.

Regards,
Franco

"Franco" tecnë:
...

Agnostics suppose that before big bang there could be "god". And "god"
created big bang.

False.


What kind of hypothesis make up agnostics? If that is false, could you
tell
us what kind of hypothesis make up agnostics?

The *agnostic* category don't exist.

Every agnostic has is own opinion 'bout these subjects.

For example, I don't mind.


ByeZ


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Born to breathe Nothing is what I am No-one to save me
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Swimming for the womb Like everybody else"

"Franco" wrote in message
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Agnostics suppose that before big bang there could be "god". And "god"
created big bang.

Some physicists have demonstrated that before big bang there MUST be
matter.

So the cause of big bang is matter and not god.

Thus, physics has demonstrated that kind of god(god who created big bang:
cause of big bang) does not exist. That kind of god can't exist.

Franco


I agree that an agnostic might say that IF there is a god (still to be
proven), then that god might have existed before the big-bang.

And maybe some scientists have demonstrated that matter existed before the
big-bang.

SO...., if there was a god before the big-bang, isn't it possible that the
god created the matter that caused the big-bang? Why would the co-existence
of the two BEFORE the big-bang not be possible (as you seem to believe)?

Hurrumph - it's academic anyway. There is no god. I can't prove it - just
as I can't prove there is no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, or fairies at the
bottom of my garden. The fact that I can't prove this does not make me
wrong.

But even if I am wrong, any god that would allow the world to get as screwed
up as this place is must be either incompetent or malevolent. In either
case he/she would not deserve any respect, much less adoration.

Ron

On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:34:58 GMT, Franco wrote:

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"Franco" tecnë:
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Agnostics suppose that before big bang there could be "god". And "god"
created big bang.

False.


What kind of hypothesis make up agnostics? If that is false, could you tell
us what kind of hypothesis make up agnostics?

Agnostics believe that knowledge of god or gods in unatainable.

Quindi all'origine di ogni cosa c'è la Mater-ia primordiale, la materia è
dunque Dio che dà origine ad ogni cosa per effetti di causa interni alla
mateia stessa? Poi l'uomo (materia) "partorisce" idee col suo cervello (
materia) e crea un gran casino! Pardon, crea *stati di cose* terreni.

Vi va di parlarne? Possibilmente in italiano?

Ciao!!

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