What is the timerate inside a black hole inbetween the end of time
at the event horizon and the end at the singularity?
How does it restart inside?

You can't have it both ways.

I can tell you. It is easy to see. There is no time.
Everything is falling at light speed. There is no time
for matter moving that fast.

Of course this is bunk and I am here to point it out.

I have modified GR to take this into account. It must become
a limited strength gravity theory. Where the maximum of gravity
is equivalent to a general light speed acceleration, a light speed
change in motion. What is general is that for weight in gravity
no duration(rate) is needed. It is simply the magnitude of acceleration
without time.

There is only one end of time and that is where there is an
infinite Einstein shift.

Mitch Raemsch

Mitchell wrote:

What is the timerate inside a black hole inbetween the end of time
at the event horizon and the end at the singularity?
How does it restart inside?


It doesn't. There's no physical singularity at the event horizon.The clock
just keeps on ticking as it crosses it.

You can't have it both ways.


That's you're claim based on not understanding GR. It isn't a claim of GR.

John Anderson

Mitchell, refugee from Udopia,

What is the timerate inside a black hole inbetween the end of time
at the event horizon and the end at the singularity?

$200/hr, same as main street.

How does it restart inside?

Pay another $200.00

You can't have it both ways.

For another $100.00, you probably can.

I can tell you. It is easy to see. There is no time.
Everything is falling at light speed. There is no time
for matter moving that fast.

No habla swahili.

Of course this is bunk and I am here to point it out.

If you didn't post, you wouldn't need to point out your posts
as bunk.

I have modified GR to take this into account. It must become
a limited strength gravity theory. Where the maximum of gravity
is equivalent to a general light speed acceleration, a light speed
change in motion. What is general is that for weight in gravity
no duration(rate) is needed. It is simply the magnitude of acceleration
without time.

There is only one end of time and that is where there is an
infinite Einstein shift.

Better get your shovel.

John Anderson wrote in message ...
Mitchell wrote:

What is the timerate inside a black hole inbetween the end of time
at the event horizon and the end at the singularity?
How does it restart inside?


It doesn't. There's no physical singularity at the event horizon.The clock
just keeps on ticking as it crosses it.

There is no time beyond the event horizon.
No; matter has reached light speed and time doesn't start over.

You do not understand the end of time.

You can't have it both ways.


That's you're claim based on not understanding GR. It isn't a claim of GR.

GR predicts it.

John Anderson

If time slows down in gravity then falling objects will fall into
slower times until time reaches an end. This occures at the event
horizon. There is no time beyond the event horizon. And that is
why black hole physics as it stands is problematic.


Mitch Raemsch
-- Light Falls --

"Mitchell" wrote in message
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Mitchell wrote:

What is the timerate inside a black hole inbetween the end of time
at the event horizon and the end at the singularity?
How does it restart inside?


It doesn't. There's no physical singularity at the event horizon.The
clock
just keeps on ticking as it crosses it.

There is no time beyond the event horizon.
No; matter has reached light speed and time doesn't start over.

You do not understand the end of time.

You can't have it both ways.


That's you're claim based on not understanding GR. It isn't a claim of
GR.

GR predicts it.

John Anderson

If time slows down in gravity then falling objects will fall into
slower times until time reaches an end. This occures at the event
horizon. There is no time beyond the event horizon. And that is
why black hole physics as it stands is problematic.


Mitch Raemsch

You are an idiot.

"John Anderson" wrote in message
...


Mitchell wrote:

What is the timerate inside a black hole inbetween the end of time
at the event horizon and the end at the singularity?
How does it restart inside?


It doesn't. There's no physical singularity at the event horizon.The
clock
just keeps on ticking as it crosses it.

You can't have it both ways.


That's you're claim based on not understanding GR. It isn't a claim of
GR.

John Anderson

[Hammond]
Right.... if you were parked at R=2.67 M and looked back at the
Earth it would look like it was turning at the rate of 2 revolutions
per day rather than one revolution per day (twice as fast). It
would also look twice as big.
As you approached R=2M it would appear to spin faster and faster and
get larger and larger.
Interestingly, the same equation controls human perception (e.g.
'reality')
during growth .. and it describes the slowing down and decreasing size
of "relaity" as we grow up... in a sense... growing up is like moving
AWAY from a black hole. In fact, this phenomena explains the
phenomena commonly called "God".
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"John Anderson" wrote in message
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Mitchell wrote:

What is the timerate inside a black hole inbetween the end of time
at the event horizon and the end at the singularity?
How does it restart inside?


It doesn't. There's no physical singularity at the event horizon.The
clock
just keeps on ticking as it crosses it.

You can't have it both ways.


That's you're claim based on not understanding GR. It isn't a claim of
GR.

John Anderson

[Hammond]
Right.... if you were parked at R=2.67 M and looked back at the
Earth it would look like it was turning at the rate of 2 revolutions
per day rather than one revolution per day (twice as fast). It
would also look twice as big.
As you approached R=2M it would appear to spin faster and faster and
get larger and larger.
Interestingly, the same equation controls human perception (e.g.
'reality')
during growth .. and it describes the slowing down and decreasing size
of "relaity" as we grow up... in a sense... growing up is like moving
AWAY from a black hole. In fact, this phenomena explains the
phenomena commonly called "God".

The elpapsed time on a clock outside the event horizon is part of what we're
talking about here. Which clock do you want to choose?

John Anderson

"George Hammond" wrote in message
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[Hammond]
Right.... if you were parked at R=2.67 M and looked back at the
Earth it would look like it was turning at the rate of 2 revolutions
per day rather than one revolution per day (twice as fast). It
would also look twice as big.


While you've got the time dilation going the right way, the visual
magnification is backwards. At R = 3M, the celestial sphere is half the
size it is at R = oo. The normal distance between any two stars would
appear to squeezed together to half. Everything looks compressed,
smaller, in that view. So the Earth would look roughly half as large as
it would if the hole weren't present. Not 2x larger. On the other hand,
looking from the Earth, the object near the black hole would look 2x
larger.

This was the conclusion of the presentation I gave at PCGM19, which
Charlie Misner took the time to discuss with me later, and suggest he
thought I was right, and was going to ask some Xray astronomers if they
had noticed anything correspnding to this magnification effect.

--
Randy M. Dumse

Caution: Objects in mirror are more confused than they appear.

On 5/31/2004 10:59 PM, Randy M. Dumse wrote:
While you've got the time dilation going the right way, the visual
magnification is backwards. At R = 3M, the celestial sphere is half the
size it is at R = oo.

Yes. For instance, the image of a distant star on the opposite side of the black
hole will be bent around the bh and reach an observer at r=3M from the side (it
will appear as a ring). This is a direct consequence of the fact that in
Schwarzschild spacetime any light ray that gets to any point r3M from any point
r3M can never reach or exceed r=3M. This does not mean that for an observer at
r=3M half the celestial sphere is black, because light emitted from some objects
with 2Mr3M can reach him (such as nearby infalling matter from an accretion disk).

Rotation of the bh can affect this in major ways.


The normal distance between any two stars would
appear to squeezed together to half. Everything looks compressed,
smaller, in that view. So the Earth would look roughly half as large as
it would if the hole weren't present. Not 2x larger.

Yes.


On the other hand,
looking from the Earth, the object near the black hole would look 2x
larger.

But strongly redshifted, and probably indistinguishable from any radiation
emitted by infalling matter from an accretion disk.


This was the conclusion of the presentation I gave at PCGM19, which
Charlie Misner took the time to discuss with me later, and suggest he
thought I was right, and was going to ask some Xray astronomers if they
had noticed anything correspnding to this magnification effect.

That's quite difficult, as one must know the intrinsic size of such an object.
And one must pick it out of an ENORMOUS background. And being X-rays here
implies that the emission was either higher-energy X-rays or gamma rays. But
it's a good question to ask....


Tom Roberts

The end of time at the event horizon corresponds to an infinite
Einstein shift there. Since there are no special places one could find
a photon there.
Dead Light.
PoppyCock.
Light without a wavelength(infinite wavelength) is nonsense.

Black holes are the very failure of General Relativity.

I do not fool with co-ordinates but instead propose a limited
strength gravity theory.
The strength of gravity properly understood is that it is
equivalent to acceleration without any rate. Weight in
gravity is more general in that to figure it the acceleration
component contains no rate.
Gravity is more general than accelerated motion(weight) where
it can be unlimited in shorter and shorter intervals.
Because gravity is more general in that it contains no rate and
is properly understood to be equivalent to the magnitude of
change in motion.

Without a time rate(in gravity's weight) it's acceleration equivalent
is limited to below light speed. The speed limit(SR) sets the change
in speed limit and this is precisely the limit of gravity's strength
and correspondingly the very end of time.
Mitch Raemsch
-- Time Moves Forward in Every (Curved) Direction. --