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Old May 12th 04 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag
Ed Keane III
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Default Schoenfeld-Einstein Relativistic Force

"And then Schoenfeld-Einstein asked me to entertain his
relatives while he thought of a new name for his force."
-The non-credible guy


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Old May 12th 04 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag
John Schoenfeld
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Default Schoenfeld-Einstein Relativistic Force

SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:

F = (m + y^3 B/c m0 v)a

This is the relativistic mass-varying force.

PROOF:
let y = gamma = 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
let B = beta = v/c

Consider relativistic mass as a function of v.
m(v) = y(v) m0

Since
y(v) = 1 / sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2)
= 1 / sqrt(u) { where u(v) = 1 - v^2/c^2 }
= u^-1/2
Then,
dy/dv = -1/2 u^-3/2 (du/dv)
= -1/2 u^-3/2 2v/c^2
= v/[c^2 sqrt(u^3)]
= v/c^2 y^3 { since 1/sqrt(u^3) = y^3 }
= y^3 B/c

Consider the relativistic mass rate of change w.r.t velocity,
m(v) = y(v) m0
dm/dv = d(y(v) m0)/dv
= m0 (dy/dv)
= m0 y^3 B/c

Since relativistic mass is velocity-dependent, the mass-varying force
law is derived as:
F = dp/dt
= d(m(v) v)/dt
= m(v) (dv/dt) + v (dm/dv)(dv/dt)
= (m(v) + v dm/dv)a

Since the relativistic mass rate of change w.r.t velocity is,
dm/dv = m0 y^3 B/c

Then the relativistic mass-varying force (SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN FORCE)
is,
F = (m(v) + y^3 B/c m0 v)a

QED
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Old May 12th 04 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag
Bill Hobba
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Default Schoenfeld-Einstein Relativistic Force


"John Schoenfeld" wrote in message
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SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:

F = (m + y^3 B/c m0 v)a

This is the relativistic mass-varying force.

PROOF:
let y = gamma = 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
let B = beta = v/c

Consider relativistic mass as a function of v.
m(v) = y(v) m0

Since
y(v) = 1 / sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2)
= 1 / sqrt(u) { where u(v) = 1 - v^2/c^2 }
= u^-1/2
Then,
dy/dv = -1/2 u^-3/2 (du/dv)
= -1/2 u^-3/2 2v/c^2
= v/[c^2 sqrt(u^3)]
= v/c^2 y^3 { since 1/sqrt(u^3) = y^3 }
= y^3 B/c

Consider the relativistic mass rate of change w.r.t velocity,
m(v) = y(v) m0
dm/dv = d(y(v) m0)/dv
= m0 (dy/dv)
= m0 y^3 B/c

Since relativistic mass is velocity-dependent, the mass-varying force
law is derived as:
F = dp/dt
= d(m(v) v)/dt
= m(v) (dv/dt) + v (dm/dv)(dv/dt)
= (m(v) + v dm/dv)a

Since the relativistic mass rate of change w.r.t velocity is,
dm/dv = m0 y^3 B/c

Then the relativistic mass-varying force (SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN FORCE)
is,
F = (m(v) + y^3 B/c m0 v)a

QED


I thought you said you were leaving this group. Why the about face?

Bill


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Old May 12th 04 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag
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Dear Bill Hobba:

"Bill Hobba" wrote in message
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"John Schoenfeld" wrote in message
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SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:

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QED


I thought you said you were leaving this group. Why the about face?


Asperger's syndrome. He can't help it.

David A. Smith


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Old May 12th 04 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag
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Default Schoenfeld-Einstein Relativistic Force

John Schoenfeld wrote:

SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:

F = (m + y^3 B/c m0 v)a


Oh man, you broke my bull**** meter!

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Old May 12th 04 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag
Bjoern Feuerbacher
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Default Schoenfeld-Einstein Relativistic Force

John Schoenfeld wrote:
SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:

F = (m + y^3 B/c m0 v)a

This is the relativistic mass-varying force.

PROOF:
let y = gamma = 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
let B = beta = v/c

Consider relativistic mass as a function of v.
m(v) = y(v) m0

Since
y(v) = 1 / sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2)
= 1 / sqrt(u) { where u(v) = 1 - v^2/c^2 }
= u^-1/2
Then,
dy/dv = -1/2 u^-3/2 (du/dv)
= -1/2 u^-3/2 2v/c^2
= v/[c^2 sqrt(u^3)]
= v/c^2 y^3 { since 1/sqrt(u^3) = y^3 }
= y^3 B/c

Consider the relativistic mass rate of change w.r.t velocity,
m(v) = y(v) m0
dm/dv = d(y(v) m0)/dv
= m0 (dy/dv)
= m0 y^3 B/c

Since relativistic mass is velocity-dependent, the mass-varying force
law is derived as:
F = dp/dt
= d(m(v) v)/dt
= m(v) (dv/dt) + v (dm/dv)(dv/dt)
= (m(v) + v dm/dv)a

Since the relativistic mass rate of change w.r.t velocity is,
dm/dv = m0 y^3 B/c

Then the relativistic mass-varying force (SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN FORCE)
is,
F = (m(v) + y^3 B/c m0 v)a

QED


Nice. And why do you think this formula is useful for anything?


Bye,
Bjoern

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Old May 12th 04 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag
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John Schoenfeld wrote:

SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:

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Old May 12th 04 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag
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"John Schoenfeld" wrote in message
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SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:


You are an ignorant, arrogant jackass Schoenfeld. Go play with Cesar.


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Old May 12th 04 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag
Franz Heymann
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Default Schoenfeld-Einstein Relativistic Force


"John Schoenfeld" wrote in message
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SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:

F = (m + y^3 B/c m0 v)a

This is the relativistic mass-varying force.

PROOF:
let y = gamma = 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
let B = beta = v/c

Consider relativistic mass as a function of v.
m(v) = y(v) m0

Since
y(v) = 1 / sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2)
= 1 / sqrt(u) { where u(v) = 1 - v^2/c^2 }
= u^-1/2
Then,
dy/dv = -1/2 u^-3/2 (du/dv)
= -1/2 u^-3/2 2v/c^2
= v/[c^2 sqrt(u^3)]
= v/c^2 y^3 { since 1/sqrt(u^3) = y^3 }
= y^3 B/c

Consider the relativistic mass rate of change w.r.t velocity,
m(v) = y(v) m0
dm/dv = d(y(v) m0)/dv
= m0 (dy/dv)
= m0 y^3 B/c

Since relativistic mass is velocity-dependent, the mass-varying

force
law is derived as:
F = dp/dt
= d(m(v) v)/dt
= m(v) (dv/dt) + v (dm/dv)(dv/dt)
= (m(v) + v dm/dv)a

Since the relativistic mass rate of change w.r.t velocity is,
dm/dv = m0 y^3 B/c

Then the relativistic mass-varying force (SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN FORCE)
is,
F = (m(v) + y^3 B/c m0 v)a


All of that is pure horse dung.
All particle accelerators were designed by utilising only one
equation, namely

dp/dt = e(E + v x B)

No particle accelerator has ever been built which has not worked
acording to specifications anywhere in the world. Accelerators have
been built in which the particles move a speeds of approximately
{1-10^-11) c.
The design of the ISR was based on this equation. It was possible to
keep two proton beams on track to within a couple of millimetres for a
distance of 6 light months in that machine. So, not to be too polite
about it, to hell with your nonsense.

Franz


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Old May 12th 04 posted to sci.physics.relativity
César Sirvent
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"Michael Varney" escribió en el mensaje
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"John Schoenfeld" wrote in message
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You are an ignorant, arrogant jackass Schoenfeld. Go play with Cesar.


Mike, go play with the other psychos...


 




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