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SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:

You are an ignorant, arrogant jackass Schoenfeld. Go play with Cesar.

Mike, go play with the other psychos...

I am having great fun playing with you Cesar, and Schoenfeld as well. So I
already am playing with psychos.

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Dear Bill Hobba:

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"John Schoenfeld" wrote in message
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SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:
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QED

I thought you said you were leaving this group. Why the about face?

Asperger's syndrome. He can't help it.

You know I used to believe it was a bit moor complex than that. I now
suspect it is not.

Thanks
Bill

Sam Wormley wrote in message ...
John Schoenfeld wrote:

SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:

F = (m + y^3 B/c m0 v)a


Oh man, you broke my bull**** meter!

It simplifies to

F = (paY)/(bc)

which can be rewritten as

F = y^2m0a which is similar to the well known result of F = y^3m0a,
but that would requre you to know some physics which you clearly
don't.

Special Relativity
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/phys...elativity.html

You should read this page, very informative.

What is the experimental basis of Special Relativity?
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...periments.html

So you are claiming that my proposed formula is empircally falsified
by SR? It's a pitty you can't show why.

Crank Information
http://www.google.com/search?q=Schoe...ers.pandora.be

You are giving the impression to unwary posters that my derivation is
wrong, care to point out the error? Didn't think so.

John Schoenfeld wrote:

Sam Wormley wrote in message ...
John Schoenfeld wrote:

SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:

F = (m + y^3 B/c m0 v)a


Oh man, you broke my bull**** meter!

It simplifies to

F = (paY)/(bc)

which can be rewritten as

F = y^2m0a which is similar to the well known result of F = y^3m0a,
but that would requre you to know some physics which you clearly
don't.


Relativistic Force is indeed F_x = m_o gamma^3 a_x
F_y = m_o gamma a_y
F_z = m_o gamma a_z

So what the hell is your F = y^2m0a ?

Sam Wormley wrote:

John Schoenfeld wrote:

Sam Wormley wrote in message ...
John Schoenfeld wrote:

SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:

F = (m + y^3 B/c m0 v)a


Oh man, you broke my bull**** meter!

It simplifies to

F = (paY)/(bc)

which can be rewritten as

F = y^2m0a which is similar to the well known result of F = y^3m0a,
but that would requre you to know some physics which you clearly
don't.


Relativistic Force is indeed F_x = m_o gamma^3 a_x
F_y = m_o gamma a_y
F_z = m_o gamma a_z

For the velocity vector parallel to the x-axis in my example!


So what the hell is your F = y^2m0a ?

"Bill Hobba" wrote in message ...
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Dear Bill Hobba:

"Bill Hobba" wrote in message
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"John Schoenfeld" wrote in message
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SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:
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QED

I thought you said you were leaving this group. Why the about face?

Asperger's syndrome. He can't help it.

You know I used to believe it was a bit moor complex than that. I now
suspect it is not.

It would appear from your babble that there is some sort of error in
the mathematics which I generously posted, but in usual Bill Bubba
style, Bubby fails to come through with the math.

Thanks

Your welcome.

Bill

Sam Wormley wrote in message ...
John Schoenfeld wrote:

SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:

F = (m + y^3 B/c m0 v)a


Oh man, you broke my bull**** meter!

Why's that? It reduces to F = (ypa)/(bc) or just plain F=y^2m0a. It's
a pitty you can't follow through on your befuddled rebuttals with any
form of mathematical justification - but it's what I've come to expect
from you, wormley.


Special Relativity
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/phys...elativity.html

You should try reading that.

[snip baseless inuendo]

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ...
"John Schoenfeld" wrote in message
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SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:

F = (m + y^3 B/c m0 v)a

This is the relativistic mass-varying force.

PROOF:
let y = gamma = 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
let B = beta = v/c

Consider relativistic mass as a function of v.
m(v) = y(v) m0

Since
y(v) = 1 / sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2)
= 1 / sqrt(u) { where u(v) = 1 - v^2/c^2 }
= u^-1/2
Then,
dy/dv = -1/2 u^-3/2 (du/dv)
= -1/2 u^-3/2 2v/c^2
= v/[c^2 sqrt(u^3)]
= v/c^2 y^3 { since 1/sqrt(u^3) = y^3 }
= y^3 B/c

Consider the relativistic mass rate of change w.r.t velocity,
m(v) = y(v) m0
dm/dv = d(y(v) m0)/dv
= m0 (dy/dv)
= m0 y^3 B/c

Since relativistic mass is velocity-dependent, the mass-varying
force
law is derived as:
F = dp/dt
= d(m(v) v)/dt
= m(v) (dv/dt) + v (dm/dv)(dv/dt)
= (m(v) + v dm/dv)a

Since the relativistic mass rate of change w.r.t velocity is,
dm/dv = m0 y^3 B/c

Then the relativistic mass-varying force (SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN FORCE)
is,
F = (m(v) + y^3 B/c m0 v)a

All of that is pure horse dung.

Had you competence you would realize that the SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN
FORCE reduces to F = (ypa)/(Bc) or F = y^2m0a and is consist with SR
by design (dm=dv = (dym)/dv).

All particle accelerators were designed by utilising only one
equation, namely

dp/dt = e(E + v x B)

Is F = y^2m0a inconsistent with this?

No particle accelerator has ever been built which has not worked
acording to specifications anywhere in the world.

Is this your proof that my equation is wrong?

Accelerators have
been built in which the particles move a speeds of approximately
{1-10^-11) c.
The design of the ISR was based on this equation. It was possible to
keep two proton beams on track to within a couple of millimetres for a
distance of 6 light months in that machine. So, not to be too polite
about it, to hell with your nonsense.

Is this your proof then?

Franz

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"John Schoenfeld" wrote in message
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SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:

You are an ignorant, arrogant jackass Schoenfeld. Go play with Cesar.

Mike, go play with the other psychos...

I am having great fun playing with you Cesar, and Schoenfeld as well. So
I
already am playing with psychos.

No, you are luck enough not to have found any psycho in your world except
you. There is some incompatibility between your stupid arrogance and your
life if you would find an actual psycho... I hope you never, but finding
some people who made you relax would be positive. Maybe you should try to
have sexual interactions with people different from you. That would relax a
lot...

Cesar

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"John Schoenfeld" wrote in message
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SCHOENFELD-EINSTEIN RELATIVISTIC FORCE:

You are an ignorant, arrogant jackass Schoenfeld. Go play with
Cesar.

Mike, go play with the other psychos...

I am having great fun playing with you Cesar, and Schoenfeld as well.
So
I
already am playing with psychos.

No, you are luck enough not to have found any psycho in your world except
you. There is some incompatibility between your stupid arrogance and your
life if you would find an actual psycho... I hope you never, but finding
some people who made you relax would be positive. Maybe you should try to
have sexual interactions with people different from you. That would relax
a
lot...

Take a deep breath, chill... and try again when you are sober BJ. *smirk*