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Old May 12th 04 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.relativity
Dirk Van de moortel
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"Bjoern Feuerbacher" wrote in message ...
Bill Hobba wrote:

[snip]
Why is it crackpots always seem to think
they are better than everyone else; yet all the evidence points to them
being not only wrong (I am often wrong - so that others are does not worry
me too much) but being mentally deficient by not recognizing their errors
when it is pointed out to them? I suppose it is part of them being a
crackpot.


http://www.geocities.com/jrstrader2000/Incompetent.htm


Good pointer - thanks.
Taken on board at
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...alFumbles.html

Dirk Vdm


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Old May 13th 04 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.relativity
Bill Hobba
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"Dirk Van de moortel" wrote
in message ...

"Bjoern Feuerbacher" wrote in message

...
Bill Hobba wrote:

[snip]
Why is it crackpots always seem to think
they are better than everyone else; yet all the evidence points to

them
being not only wrong (I am often wrong - so that others are does not

worry
me too much) but being mentally deficient by not recognizing their

errors
when it is pointed out to them? I suppose it is part of them being a
crackpot.


http://www.geocities.com/jrstrader2000/Incompetent.htm


Good pointer - thanks.
Taken on board at
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...alFumbles.html


Yes indeed a good pointer. After thinking about it overnight I am starting
to suspect some of the more complicated ideas I had such as making you feel
better by thinking your smarter than all these supposed smart blokes etc
could be off the mark. It may be no more than a simple physiological
phenomena, just like seeing the vase or the two faces in the famous picture.
Either that or an actual disease like Asperger's syndrome. What I find is
that I am spending way too much time arguing with them for no gain. I must
moderate this more and concentrate on the reason I post - to learn physics.

Thanks
Bill


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Old May 13th 04 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.relativity
V.K.Tamhane
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"Bill Hobba" wrote in message

And wrote all nonsense.
...

Bill Hobba has confessed that he is a "self appointed defender of
orthodxy" and he is here to save the world from blasphemy. so this is
for him and for those of his kind.


A castle, high on the hill,
dark and sinister, students feel.
There the tall men with flying robes,
hit us with equations that make us grope.

They tell us that the nature works in symbols,
and we say, yes sir, yes sir, all in ball.
The castle; fearsome, awesome, a temple for all,
and those who say, no sir, no sir, are thrown out with
vengeful gall.

One fine morning, they saw in amazement,
far in the field, 'posts' were rising to their astonishment.
Then the castle shook, heads drooped and the robes flew away.

A whistle blew and soon the loyal dogs were around,
but what can be done to the 'posts' deep in the ground?

A dissenting post and the dogs run at it,
fangs bare and fury in the eyes.
But what can dogs do to the firm post?

Barking and flaming, they just take a round,
after lifting their hind legs, they return to their ground.

with regards, V.K.Tamhane
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Old May 13th 04 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.relativity
Androcles
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"V.K.Tamhane" wrote in message om...
| "Bill Hobba" wrote in message
|
| And wrote all nonsense.
| ...
|
| Bill Hobba has confessed that he is a "self appointed defender of
| orthodxy" and he is here to save the world from blasphemy. so this is
| for him and for those of his kind.


It's not Hobba's fault he isn't very bright.
Some people are born encephalitic.
Androcles.
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Old May 13th 04 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.relativity
Bjoern Feuerbacher
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V.K.Tamhane wrote:
"Bill Hobba" wrote in message

And wrote all nonsense.


Oh, asking you to back up your unsupported claims is "nonsense"?


...

Bill Hobba has confessed that he is a "self appointed defender of
orthodxy"


Asking you to back up your unsupported claims is "confessing that one is
a self-appointed defender of the orthodoxy"?


[snip totally irrelevant, stupid poem]

*Who* is childish here?


Bye,
Bjoern

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Old May 13th 04 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.relativity
Bjoern Feuerbacher
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Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
"Bjoern Feuerbacher" wrote in message ...

Bill Hobba wrote:

[snip]
Why is it crackpots always seem to think

they are better than everyone else; yet all the evidence points to them
being not only wrong (I am often wrong - so that others are does not worry
me too much) but being mentally deficient by not recognizing their errors
when it is pointed out to them? I suppose it is part of them being a
crackpot.


http://www.geocities.com/jrstrader2000/Incompetent.htm



Good pointer - thanks.
Taken on board at
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...alFumbles.html


Nice. :-)

It seems to be a dumbed-down version of the article at your link
"Some background information on the Fumbling Phenomenon" directly above...


Bye,
Bjoern

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Old May 13th 04 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.relativity
Bill Hobba
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Default A new paradox in SR


"Bjoern Feuerbacher" wrote in message
...
V.K.Tamhane wrote:
"Bill Hobba" wrote in message

And wrote all nonsense.


Oh, asking you to back up your unsupported claims is "nonsense"?


...

Bill Hobba has confessed that he is a "self appointed defender of
orthodxy"


Asking you to back up your unsupported claims is "confessing that one is
a self-appointed defender of the orthodoxy"?


[snip totally irrelevant, stupid poem]

*Who* is childish here?


Bjorn, I could not have said it better.

Thanks
Bill


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Old May 13th 04 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.relativity
Robert J. Kolker
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V.K.Tamhane wrote:

"Bill Hobba" wrote in message

And wrote all nonsense.
...

Bill Hobba has confessed that he is a "self appointed defender of
orthodxy" and he is here to save the world from blasphemy. so this is
for him and for those of his kind.


Question: Can you demonstrate an internal mathematical inconsistency in
SR? Another question: can you produce a vetted reproduced experiment
that shows SR has produced a false prediction within its domain of
applicability?

If the answer to both questions is NO, you have failed to show SR is false.

There are only two ways of demolishing a scientific theory:

1. Show in internal mathematical inconsistency.

2. Demonstrate emprically that a prediction of theory is false.

Otherwise the theory stands.

Bob Kolker

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Old May 13th 04 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.relativity
Harry
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"Bill Hobba" wrote in message
...

"V.K.Tamhane" wrote in message

SNIP

You say a changing magnetic field does not produce an electric field.
Consider a wire moving through a magnetic field at constant velocity.


You don't specify it, but I may consider a homogeneous field, right?

By
the lorentz force law the charges in the wire must experience a force. Now
go to a frame where the wire is at rest. Going to that frame does not
change the fact the charges still experience a force except now the

charges
are at rest and the wire is experiencing a changing magnetic field.


You lost me - why would that field be changing? Does it go to zero, or to
infinity, or does it oscillate?!

Thus we
have stationary charges experiencing a force. Now for a stationary change
the Lorentz force law says F = qE or E = F/q thus they are in an electric
field. But you claim that is not possible. How can that be or are you
saying the Lorentz force law is wrong?


Hmm, I find this interesting! Maybe I don't see how it can work because I'm
tired?

Please clarify, thanks!

Harald



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Old May 13th 04 posted to alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.physics.relativity
Androcles
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"Bjoern Feuerbacher" wrote in message ...
| V.K.Tamhane wrote:
| "Bill Hobba" wrote in message
|
| And wrote all nonsense.
|
| Oh, asking you to back up your unsupported claims is "nonsense"?
|
|
| ...
|
| Bill Hobba has confessed that he is a "self appointed defender of
| orthodxy"
|
| Asking you to back up your unsupported claims is "confessing that one is
| a self-appointed defender of the orthodoxy"?
|
|
| [snip totally irrelevant, stupid poem]
|
| *Who* is childish here?
|
|
| Bye,
| Bjoern
You are. All you claims are unsupported.
Androcles

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