Most scientists agree with Planck in that the smallest, most basic,
measurable energy amount or quantum of action is 6.6261 X 10^-34
joule-sec, which he named Quanta. That all of matter's spectral
properties and patterns can be explained in terms of multiples of
'h', and that thanks to the determination of 'h', we now can
conceive order at the quantum mechanical level. Most also agree with
de Broglie in that every object in motion would move in a wave and
is accompanied by a wave, also that he showed that electrons
traverse an integral number of wavelengths for each complete orbit
of an atom and that the quantization and structure of quanta will
always depend on the properties of their source and the objects with
which they interact.

Quanta are measurable amounts of cycling spacetime. In reality there
aren't any vibrating point particles, as Heisenberg properly and
adeptly assumed, it's more like wavefronts... or membranes. A
quantum of action (quanta) appears as a very small region of
randomly fluctuating, process independent object, and hbar as a
ratio, mc^2/w, or energy divided by angular frequency.

There are no point particles, a point particle must be internally
static, with no internal time, and that is not possible. Points
don't even occupy space, they don't really exist, the point is only
a mathematical convenience. Each particle, even the smallest, is in
constant internal motion, each is the product of an internal
instability. Each particle possesses its own internal time, and for
this reason it is impossible to get rid of all uncertainties at a
spacetime level.

We can't get rid of 'h' - Planck's constant - from which Heisenberg
derived his Uncertainty Principle, which is closely related to the
particle's wave-length, and from where particle complementarity and
the non-commutativity between momentum and position emerged as
properties of space and matter and as proof of the inseparability of
quantum processes. Momentum and position don't commute because you
can't be stopped and moving at the same time.

The fundamental particle must then be a small spherical region of
pulsating spacetime whose diameter equals one Planck length.
Material space (as opposed to empty space) must be filled with them,
it is spacetime's background, the substrate to all matter, a sea of
randomly fluctuating particles.

Material space is grainy, it's a sea of particles, each of which has
a diameter and its own internal motion or cycle.

According to Timothy Boyer, material space is constituted by al
least two different spectrums. One is noisy and expanding, while the
other is self-organized and condensing. One exhibits negative
gravitation, the other positive gravitation. From one material space
is created, from the other, matter. Matter waves are constantly
flowing inwards into matter, while heat and light flow away from
matter. There is a continuos condensation and expansion of the
substrate taking place. As objects are accelerated in a space-time
metric, each new position creates new energy requirements from the
continuum.

Hyperspace is filled with information bits, matter precursors, a
pre-geometry made of process independent units of information which
exist in chaos and are ordered by logic and activity into spacetime.
But for natural reasons, i.e. energy conservation laws, everything
that comes into spacetime must be perceived and energetically
measured before it can materialize. There has to be a measuring
device sensing the particle's location and momentum in relation with
the rest of that inertial frame of reference before it can
crystallize, as the information that constitutes it flows radially
from hyperspace towards its center in spacetime. But this measuring
device isn't some external being, it is the Universe itself. Each
particle senses each other and their relation to space (Mach),
building an information network filled with geometrical
relationships (spacetime), which are in turn used as the future is
built on the already existing information.

Information is created and preserved in matter (i.e., DNA).

Particles in spacetime perceive, select and integrate into their
state wave function only that information which is important or
useful to them.

The observer, in present theory, must then refer to any object that
is able to interpret environmental information brought to it by EM
waves. Observation/measurement with the only purpose of establishing
the particle's spatial parameters (speed, size, density...) in that
inertial frame. The particle must first be in thermal equilibrium
with the environment before it can exist as matter in spacetime, and
that's the law!

Von Neumann was right when he said that the evolution of the
Schrodinger wave could only depend on quantum mechanical observables
(implying that this information can only come from spacetime) yet
including the observer (mind) as an efficacious agent (since the
theory considers brains to be measuring instruments). The only
reason human brains entered the equation was that, as they observed
and perceived light (EMR) coming from the particle, information
about momentum and location, which is vital to maintain energy
conservation laws, became known to the particle/system allowing it
to complete the feedback control loop and continue to condense.

Particle complementarity is due to an indivisible process which
originates in a common background, but the only information being
transferred (through EMR in hyperspace) from the aether to the
particles is that concerning momentum and location in relation with
that inertial frame and the rest of Universe. There is no need for
some mega information storage system which must contain the history
of the Universe, all the information needed for the evolution of the
system in spacetime is contained by the system itself - in
spacetime.

According to Mach and others, motion by all objects within the
Universe is instantaneously reported through momentum space. This is
where phenomena like inertia comes from. As a particle senses other
particles it completes the information exchange, realizing the
spatial relationships between particles and space that is needed to
collapse the wave packet from hyperspace as it crystallizes into
spacetime. Perception is a very old natural function of matter not
some exclusive human ability.

--
Laurent

"Laurent" wrote in message
...
Most scientists agree with Planck in that the smallest, most basic,
measurable energy amount or quantum of action is 6.6261 X 10^-34
joule-sec, which he named Quanta.

No. The spin of an electron is only h/2

That all of matter's spectral
properties and patterns can be explained in terms of multiples of
'h', and that thanks to the determination of 'h', we now can
conceive order at the quantum mechanical level. Most also agree with
de Broglie in that every object in motion would move in a wave

No. Every object does most decidedly not move in a wave.

and
is accompanied by a wave, also that he showed that electrons
traverse an integral number of wavelengths for each complete orbit
of an atom and that the quantization and structure of quanta will
always depend on the properties of their source and the objects with
which they interact.

The Bohr atom reached the end of its usefulness quite soon after it was
propounded. It fails to cope correctly with the higher angular momentum
states of hydrogen and does not even pretend to make a start with the helium
atom. let alone the other 90 odd ones.

Quanta are measurable amounts of cycling spacetime.

That sentence sounded fine, but was devoid of sense.

In reality there
aren't any vibrating point particles, as Heisenberg properly and
adeptly assumed, it's more like wavefronts... or membranes. A
quantum of action (quanta) appears as a very small region of
randomly fluctuating, process independent object, and hbar as a
ratio, mc^2/w, or energy divided by angular frequency.

You are maundering

There are no point particles, a point particle must be internally
static, with no internal time, and that is not possible.

That is a unsupported assertion

Points
don't even occupy space, they don't really exist, the point is only
a mathematical convenience. Each particle, even the smallest, is in
constant internal motion, each is the product of an internal
instability. Each particle possesses its own internal time, and for
this reason it is impossible to get rid of all uncertainties at a
spacetime level.

You are drivelling again.

We can't get rid of 'h' - Planck's constant - from which Heisenberg
derived his Uncertainty Principle, which is closely related to the
particle's wave-length, and from where particle complementarity

What is "particle complementarity"?

and
the non-commutativity between momentum and position emerged as
properties of space and matter and as proof of the inseparability of
quantum processes. Momentum and position don't commute because you
can't be stopped and moving at the same time.

Drivelling mode again?

The fundamental particle must then be a small spherical region of
pulsating spacetime whose diameter equals one Planck length.

Ex cathedra statements carry no weight.

Material space (as opposed to empty space) must be filled with them,
it is spacetime's background, the substrate to all matter, a sea of
randomly fluctuating particles.

Balls

I could not stomach the rest, so I snipped it

[snip]

Franz

Laurent wrote:

Most scientists agree with Planck in that the smallest, most basic,
measurable energy amount or quantum of action is 6.6261 X 10^-34
joule-sec, which he named Quanta.
[snip]

1) Learn how to speak English.
2) No, he didn't.
3) An electron, proton, and neutron all have h/2 spin, idiot. That
is 1/2 the size of your astoundingly ignorant "smallest, most basic,
measurable energy [sic] amount" spew.
4) Action isn't energy, you idiot.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm
(Do something naughty to physics)

On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:35:18 -0500, Laurent wrote:

Most also agree with
de Broglie in that every object in motion would move in a wave and
is accompanied by a wave

What attribute of that object (or what quantity) varies
periodically as elucidated by that "wave"?
--

gohe khod rA khordan barAye yek zendAni mozu'e kheyli
mohemmist. harkas in kAr rA kard hatman divAneh
ast. va hamin sange mahake tabibe zendAn ast. agar
kasi divAneh shod tabibe zendAn mi'Ayad va
mi'istad, gohe zendAni rA midahad bokhorad. agar
khord ke mariz ast va agar nakhord pas dorugh
gofteh, mostahaghghe dastband va pAband ast.

"Bozorg Alavi"

On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:25:41 +0000 (UTC), Franz Heymann
wrote:

No. Every object does most decidedly not move in a wave.

What do you mean by "moving in a wave"?
--

bAd tond asto cherAghe abtari
zu begirAnam cherAghe digari

"Mowlana"

"Maleki" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:35:18 -0500, Laurent wrote:

Most also agree with
de Broglie in that every object in motion would move in a wave
and
is accompanied by a wave

What attribute of that object (or what quantity) varies
periodically as elucidated by that "wave"?


Its position. Remember Lambda, de Broglie?

Particles with momentum have a wavelength, called the de Broglie
wavelength.



--

gohe khod rA khordan barAye yek zendAni mozu'e kheyli
mohemmist. harkas in kAr rA kard hatman divAneh
ast. va hamin sange mahake tabibe zendAn ast. agar
kasi divAneh shod tabibe zendAn mi'Ayad va
mi'istad, gohe zendAni rA midahad bokhorad. agar
khord ke mariz ast va agar nakhord pas dorugh
gofteh, mostahaghghe dastband va pAband ast.

"Bozorg Alavi"

"Maleki" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:25:41 +0000 (UTC), Franz Heymann
wrote:

No. Every object does most decidedly not move in a wave.

What do you mean by "moving in a wave"?

Don't ask me. Ask the nerd who said it, to whom I was replying.

Franz

"Laurent" wrote in message
...
Most scientists agree with Planck in that the smallest, most basic,
measurable energy amount or quantum of action is 6.6261 X 10^-34
joule-sec, which he named Quanta. That all of matter's spectral
properties and patterns can be explained in terms of multiples of
'h', and that thanks to the determination of 'h', we now can
conceive order at the quantum mechanical level. Most also agree with
de Broglie in that every object in motion would move in a wave and
is accompanied by a wave, also that he showed that electrons
traverse an integral number of wavelengths for each complete orbit
of an atom and that the quantization and structure of quanta will
always depend on the properties of their source and the objects with
which they interact.

Quanta are measurable amounts of cycling spacetime. In reality there
aren't any vibrating point particles, as Heisenberg properly and
adeptly assumed, it's more like wavefronts... or membranes. A
quantum of action (quanta) appears as a very small region of
randomly fluctuating, process independent object, and hbar as a
ratio, mc^2/w, or energy divided by angular frequency.

There are no point particles, a point particle must be internally
static, with no internal time, and that is not possible. Points
don't even occupy space, they don't really exist, the point is only
a mathematical convenience. Each particle, even the smallest, is in
constant internal motion, each is the product of an internal
instability. Each particle possesses its own internal time, and for
this reason it is impossible to get rid of all uncertainties at a
spacetime level.

We can't get rid of 'h' - Planck's constant - from which Heisenberg
derived his Uncertainty Principle, which is closely related to the
particle's wave-length, and from where particle complementarity and
the non-commutativity between momentum and position emerged as
properties of space and matter and as proof of the inseparability of
quantum processes. Momentum and position don't commute because you
can't be stopped and moving at the same time.

The fundamental particle must then be a small spherical region of
pulsating spacetime whose diameter equals one Planck length.
Material space (as opposed to empty space) must be filled with them,
it is spacetime's background, the substrate to all matter, a sea of
randomly fluctuating particles.

Material space is grainy, it's a sea of particles, each of which has
a diameter and its own internal motion or cycle.

According to Timothy Boyer, material space is constituted by al
least two different spectrums. One is noisy and expanding, while the
other is self-organized and condensing. One exhibits negative
gravitation, the other positive gravitation. From one material space
is created, from the other, matter. Matter waves are constantly
flowing inwards into matter, while heat and light flow away from
matter. There is a continuos condensation and expansion of the
substrate taking place. As objects are accelerated in a space-time
metric, each new position creates new energy requirements from the
continuum.

Hyperspace is filled with information bits, matter precursors, a
pre-geometry made of process independent units of information which
exist in chaos and are ordered by logic and activity into spacetime.
But for natural reasons, i.e. energy conservation laws, everything
that comes into spacetime must be perceived and energetically
measured before it can materialize. There has to be a measuring
device sensing the particle's location and momentum in relation with
the rest of that inertial frame of reference before it can
crystallize, as the information that constitutes it flows radially
from hyperspace towards its center in spacetime. But this measuring
device isn't some external being, it is the Universe itself. Each
particle senses each other and their relation to space (Mach),
building an information network filled with geometrical
relationships (spacetime), which are in turn used as the future is
built on the already existing information.

Information is created and preserved in matter (i.e., DNA).

Particles in spacetime perceive, select and integrate into their
state wave function only that information which is important or
useful to them.

The observer, in present theory, must then refer to any object that
is able to interpret environmental information brought to it by EM
waves. Observation/measurement with the only purpose of establishing
the particle's spatial parameters (speed, size, density...) in that
inertial frame. The particle must first be in thermal equilibrium
with the environment before it can exist as matter in spacetime, and
that's the law!

Von Neumann was right when he said that the evolution of the
Schrodinger wave could only depend on quantum mechanical observables
(implying that this information can only come from spacetime) yet
including the observer (mind) as an efficacious agent (since the
theory considers brains to be measuring instruments). The only
reason human brains entered the equation was that, as they observed
and perceived light (EMR) coming from the particle, information
about momentum and location, which is vital to maintain energy
conservation laws, became known to the particle/system allowing it
to complete the feedback control loop and continue to condense.

Particle complementarity is due to an indivisible process which
originates in a common background, but the only information being
transferred (through EMR in hyperspace) from the aether to the
particles is that concerning momentum and location in relation with
that inertial frame and the rest of Universe. There is no need for
some mega information storage system which must contain the history
of the Universe, all the information needed for the evolution of the
system in spacetime is contained by the system itself - in
spacetime.

According to Mach and others, motion by all objects within the
Universe is instantaneously reported through momentum space. This is
where phenomena like inertia comes from. As a particle senses other
particles it completes the information exchange, realizing the
spatial relationships between particles and space that is needed to
collapse the wave packet from hyperspace as it crystallizes into
spacetime. Perception is a very old natural function of matter not
some exclusive human ability.

--
Laurent
Perception of matter...hmm...
Matter's perception of itself.
m = E/c^2.
Matter's ability to perceive the non-existence of matter...
The flubber that an electron is made of.
Summat ain't right.
Androcles

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...

"Laurent" wrote in message
...
Most scientists agree with Planck in that the smallest, most basic,
measurable energy amount or quantum of action is 6.6261 X 10^-34
joule-sec, which he named Quanta.

No. The spin of an electron is only h/2

That all of matter's spectral
properties and patterns can be explained in terms of multiples of
'h', and that thanks to the determination of 'h', we now can
conceive order at the quantum mechanical level. Most also agree with
de Broglie in that every object in motion would move in a wave

No. Every object does most decidedly not move in a wave.

and
is accompanied by a wave, also that he showed that electrons
traverse an integral number of wavelengths for each complete orbit
of an atom and that the quantization and structure of quanta will
always depend on the properties of their source and the objects with
which they interact.

The Bohr atom reached the end of its usefulness quite soon after it was
propounded. It fails to cope correctly with the higher angular momentum
states of hydrogen and does not even pretend to make a start with the
helium
atom. let alone the other 90 odd ones.

Quanta are measurable amounts of cycling spacetime.

That sentence sounded fine, but was devoid of sense.

In reality there
aren't any vibrating point particles, as Heisenberg properly and
adeptly assumed, it's more like wavefronts... or membranes. A
quantum of action (quanta) appears as a very small region of
randomly fluctuating, process independent object, and hbar as a
ratio, mc^2/w, or energy divided by angular frequency.

You are maundering

There are no point particles, a point particle must be internally
static, with no internal time, and that is not possible.

That is a unsupported assertion

Points
don't even occupy space, they don't really exist, the point is only
a mathematical convenience. Each particle, even the smallest, is in
constant internal motion, each is the product of an internal
instability. Each particle possesses its own internal time, and for
this reason it is impossible to get rid of all uncertainties at a
spacetime level.

You are drivelling again.

We can't get rid of 'h' - Planck's constant - from which Heisenberg
derived his Uncertainty Principle, which is closely related to the
particle's wave-length, and from where particle complementarity

What is "particle complementarity"?

and
the non-commutativity between momentum and position emerged as
properties of space and matter and as proof of the inseparability of
quantum processes. Momentum and position don't commute because you
can't be stopped and moving at the same time.

Drivelling mode again?

The fundamental particle must then be a small spherical region of
pulsating spacetime whose diameter equals one Planck length.

Ex cathedra statements carry no weight.

Material space (as opposed to empty space) must be filled with them,
it is spacetime's background, the substrate to all matter, a sea of
randomly fluctuating particles.

Balls
of flubber the electron is made of.
I could not stomach the signature, so I snipped it
Androcles

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 09:24:54 -0500, Laurent wrote:

"Maleki" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:35:18 -0500, Laurent wrote:

Most also agree with
de Broglie in that every object in motion would move in a wave
and
is accompanied by a wave

What attribute of that object (or what quantity) varies
periodically as elucidated by that "wave"?


Its position. Remember Lambda, de Broglie?

Particles with momentum have a wavelength, called the de Broglie
wavelength.

Its position? So its position goes to a maximum and then
comes back down to zero and keeps going into negative
position to a negative maximum and then comes back to zero
and so on? I don't think so
--

shotor khAbide'ash ham boland tar az khare
istAdeh ast.