New ideas of space.

http://www.wakkanet.fi/~fields/

"Henry Haapalainen" wrote in message
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New ideas of space.

http://www.wakkanet.fi/~fields/

Old ideas of space, with real data in support.
http://www.androc1es.pwp.blueyonder....ctual_data.htm

Androcles

Henry Haapalainen
New ideas of space.

http://www.wakkanet.fi/~fields/


The site said:

'However, the transmission mechanism of gravity is continually being
sought - almost certainly in vain'

There is no transmission mechanism to seek - space-time curvature and
gravity are one and the same. Typical crackpot rubbish of flawed logic
based on misunderstood concepts.

Thanks
Bill

Bill Hobba wrote:
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- space-time curvature and
gravity are one and the same.

Forget the snipped rest, but this statement might be not correct.
Space-time curvature is caused by both gravitation and electromagnetism.

Ulrich

UEB wrote:
Forget the snipped rest, but this statement might be not correct.
Space-time curvature is caused by both gravitation and electromagnetism.

The Hilbert action is integral sqrt g R dv dt to which the source part is
added. Variation of the Hilbert action gives sqrt g G var guv. Variation
of the source part gives -sqrt g T var guv by the modern definition of T -
the stress energy tensor. Thus G = T - the modern definition of the stress
energy tensor guarantees it. Thus space-time curvature is 'caused' by the
stress energy tensor which could be all sorts of things - EM fields, matter
etc. What is not part of that source term in the lagrangian is gravity
itself. Indeed from the modern definition of stress energy tensor -G is in
fact the stress energy tensor of gravity itself - if it was a legit way of
looking at it - which I doubt.

Thanks
Bill

"Bill Hobba" kirjoitti viestissä
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UEB wrote:
Forget the snipped rest, but this statement might be not correct.
Space-time curvature is caused by both gravitation and electromagnetism.

The Hilbert action is integral sqrt g R dv dt to which the source part is
added. Variation of the Hilbert action gives sqrt g G var guv. Variation
of the source part gives -sqrt g T var guv by the modern definition of T -
the stress energy tensor. Thus G = T - the modern definition of the
stress
energy tensor guarantees it. Thus space-time curvature is 'caused' by the
stress energy tensor which could be all sorts of things - EM fields,
matter
etc. What is not part of that source term in the lagrangian is gravity
itself. Indeed from the modern definition of stress energy tensor -G is
in
fact the stress energy tensor of gravity itself - if it was a legit way of
looking at it - which I doubt.

Thanks
Bill

Henry Haapalainen:
Space-time curvature is a good abstraction of the truth. But it can not be
the final answer. Falling space leads to same "geometry" of space, and there
is a chance that it may be the truth. If there is some mistake, let's work
together to find it.

Henry Haapalainen wrote:
Space-time curvature is a good abstraction of the truth. But it can not be
the final answer. Falling space leads to same "geometry" of space, and
there
is a chance that it may be the truth. If there is some mistake, let's work
together to find it.

I have read your link, and to be frank, you have no idea what your talking
about - I seriously doubt you even understood what I wrote.

Bill

Bill Hobba wrote:
UEB wrote:
Forget the snipped rest, but this statement might be not correct.
Space-time curvature is caused by both gravitation and electromagnetism.

The Hilbert action is integral sqrt g R dv dt to which the source part is
added. Variation of the Hilbert action gives sqrt g G var guv. Variation
of the source part gives -sqrt g T var guv by the modern definition of T -
the stress energy tensor. Thus G = T - the modern definition of the stress
energy tensor guarantees it. Thus space-time curvature is 'caused' by the
stress energy tensor which could be all sorts of things - EM fields, matter
etc. What is not part of that source term in the lagrangian is gravity
itself. Indeed from the modern definition of stress energy tensor -G is in
fact the stress energy tensor of gravity itself - if it was a legit way of
looking at it - which I doubt.

That may be nice and good, but I have practically calculated with
this stuff. All results demonstrate that gravitation & electromagnetism
equally go into metrics, and do never mingle. In which, gravitation
is _not_ part of the Ricci or Einstein tensor, and comes from the
integration constants of R_{ij} = 0 .

Ulrich

Henry Haapalainen wrote:

Space-time curvature is a good abstraction of the truth. But it can not be
the final answer. Falling space leads to same "geometry" of space, and there
is a chance that it may be the truth. If there is some mistake, let's work
together to find it.

Dear friend,
the term "fall" has been defined for a body.
Thus, a space does never fall *per definitionem* .

Ulrich

"ueb" kirjoitti viestissä
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Henry Haapalainen wrote:

Space-time curvature is a good abstraction of the truth. But it can not
be
the final answer. Falling space leads to same "geometry" of space, and
there
is a chance that it may be the truth. If there is some mistake, let's
work
together to find it.

Dear friend,
the term "fall" has been defined for a body.
Thus, a space does never fall *per definitionem* .

Ulrich

HH:
Sorry but do not understand what you are trying to say. I must be stupid.