On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 11:49 AM, Constantin Ivanenko wrote:


Jack wrote:

Thanks. Do a lot of people in Russia today believe this? I mean about
Nazis in Antartica today with advanced WMD technology?

CI replied:

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COMMENT: It's easy to see - just underake web search on such key words
as Neu Schwabenland, Nazi Flying Saucers, Wewelsburg etc.
In Russia recent sociologic investigations estimate nuber of Neo-Nazis
about 50 000 - large part of which believe (or are ready to believe if
the'd see it) such stuff. (Of course, level of their beliefs will
correspond to a level of their intellectual development: for example,
authors of such bestsellers as M. Serrano's "Hitler: The Ultimate
Avatar" & A. Harbinson's "Genesis" had written even more complicated
"highbrow thrillers" than my own humble story (except for lack of
"torsionic genome weapons" & "Internet-aided collective meditations" -
which subjects weren't widely known outside Russia).)


On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 10:56 AM, Constantin Ivanenko wrote:

"Quite a sufficient number - recent sociologic explorations estimate
number of member of Neo-Nazi groups in Russia alone as about 50 000:
about the same as number of members of Lenin's Bolshevik party in April
1917.

It might be quite informative to organize web search on key words: Neu
Scwabenland, Nazi Flying Saucers etc.: you might see that many
thousands (I got over 3 thousands of references in my recent Yahoo!
search - and there might be hundreds of thousands of visitors to these
sites) of people, - not only in Russia but in all other countries, -
are deeply enough interested in this stuff.

Most certainly, this must be regarded as quite serious problem -
because Transcendental Meditation experts claim that precisely
synchronized collective meditations of just 8 000 of people might
change radically mental atmosphere of entire planet! Don't forget that
modern sophisticated enough Neo-Nazi groups, - some of which have an
explicit purpose to re-create occult technologies of Ahnenerbe on
modern Internet-aided level, - will not be so stupid as to repeat crazy
Hitler's mistakes: here Russian Neo-Nazis (only half-jokingly) repeat
well-popularized by f. Soviet propaganda words of young Lenin "We'll
take the other way" (which he allegedly uttered when he knew about
execution of his elder brother, which attermpted killing of Emperor
Alexander II)."

Yes, you raise a significant point here.

"So it may not be too impossible to suppose that some of them
(especially former members of Soviet psi-research institutions, founded
by captive Ahnenerbe experts) will be clever enough to put 2 and 2
(experiments of J. Benveniste, for example, and "torsionic genome
weapons' idea") together."

I am sitting on the fence on the claims of "torsionic genome weapons"
and am working on the physics of torsion field.
The crux of the matter is:

1. Are there torsion fields in Nature?

2. Is the coupling strength of torsion fields to electron and proton
spins sufficiently strong?

The coupling strength of gravity waves to matter is almost too weak to
be detected. Why should torsion wave coupling be so much stronger than
gravity wave coupling? Also what about near field effects?

Nobel Prize physicist Brian Josephson has taken a serious long-term
interest in Benveniste's work. I have not had time to try to understand it.

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COMMENT: Hope that a sufficient answer to these concrete scientific
questions you will find in research papers of Acad. Akimov (translated
into English & recorded on CDs), which he's going to send to your
Stockton Street address via "snail mail" : I took a liberty to
communicate to him your office address which was written on your check.
Hope you don't have objections to this.

No problem. :-)

As I said we had one Professor of Physics from North Dakota at ISSO in
2000 who while working on a US Navy Contract did make claims of
significant large coupling of torsion waves similar to Akimov's
allegations though not as detailed. Shipov and Poponin from Moscow were
at this ISSO meeting. As soon as the American got positive results he
says the Navy cancelled the contract. What that means I don't know.

My own work suggest that torsion fields should be there and possibly
other fields as well. How strong the coupling I do not know. The basic
idea is the hypothesis of "Universal Local Gauge Force" i.e. given any
symmetry group either in space-time or beyond it, locally gauge the Lie
algebra of "charges" to get compensating local gauge force fields.

The large space-time symmetry group seems to be the De Sitter Group with
Einstein's Cosmological Constant /\ in it as a parameter. We know that
locally gauging the 4-parameter T4 subgroup of space-time translations
generated by Energy-Momentum Pu gives Einstein's 1915 gravity field
guv(curved spacetime) as the compensating gauge force field. We also
know that locally gauging the 6-parameter Lorentz subgroup of Einstein's
1905 Special Relativity gives Gennady Shipov's "torsion field" that
Akimov is making WMD claims about. Utiyama showed this back in the
mid-60's for both torsion and curvature. Locally gauging the rest of
the De Sitter Group should give my exotic vacuum /\zpf(x) unified dark
energy/matter field which is the localized variable version of
Einstein's global "Cosmological Constant."

This does allow Martin Rees's Chapter 9 "Our Final Hour" Doomsday WMD of
"ripping space" as well as good things like mining vacuum energy, Star
Gate Time Travel and Weightless Warp Drive (e.g. Alcubierre) from the
basic "Metric Engineering" local current conservation equation:

Tuv(Geometry)^;v + tuv(Exotic Vacuum Zero Point Energy)^;v + Tuv(Matter,
Radiation & Near EM Fields)^;v = 0

This equation allows transfer of stress-energy density currents among
the different dynamical degrees of freedom of
"superfluid MACRO-QUANTUM coherent vacuum" i.e. "Geometry", random
micro-quantum residual zero point EXOTIC VACUUM unified dark
energy/matter fluctuation energy density (either positive or negative)
and ordinary on-mass-shell "Matter" and all electromagnetic fields both
far and near.

Note that my equation above DOES NOT HAVE TORSION. If torsion fields
are there, there is another term

Tuv(Torsion Field)^;v

added to the overall balance. Everything adds up to ZERO i.e. "Free
Lunch" "Something From Nothing." ;-)

In article , says...



On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 11:49 AM, Constantin Ivanenko wrote:


Jack wrote:

Thanks. Do a lot of people in Russia today believe this? I mean about
Nazis in Antartica today with advanced WMD technology?



I just read this article on Lake Vostok, from a conspiratorial
perspective, and they brought up the fact that NASA had
been funding some exploration of the lake in an attempt to
determine if life existed there and then they suddenly backed
out and claimed National Security as the reason.


[ quote

However, the most intriguing news coming out of Antarctica had to
do with the extremely powerful magnetic anomaly located in the
northern end of the lake’s coast: a discovery which would give
rise to a number of conjectures and would be compared with the
fictional TMA-1 (Tycho Magnetic Anomaly-1) in the movie 2001:
A Space Odyssey.
http://seekers.100megs6.com/Vostak-LakeShadows.htm
unquote]


Fictional? Have they taken a look at Tycho crater at all I wonder?

The bottom of Tycho crater is made up of polygons. Regular
shaped polygons, like a honeycomb.


Here it is from Naval Space Command.
Notice that the remark about the curious polygon floor,
http://www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/clementi...ect/tycho.html

Unusual isn't the word.

If you examine the center of the crater, it looks very much
like dirt has been piled up. How would Arthur C. know about
the possibility that wormholes might exist between planets
in the neutral zone, otherwise? He must have had insider
information. That was his point I believe that they
went to Jupiter to investigate where the radio signal
was being sent to, on arrival they saw the obelisque,
it led the guy through the wormhole.

There is even a cave entrance or evidence of an excavation.
http://www.lunaranomalies.com/images/cltycho.jpg

There are those who claim that the other obelisque might be in
Antarctica, in Lake Vostok.

However, probably the fear is that if you were to examine
life that has been there for eons, it might be harmful,
or maybe terminal to mankind. So that would be a reasonable
national security issue, to keep people away, while
it is being investigated.

http://www.70south.com/news/989352796/index_html

But the old NAZI rumour is just that.

Being a TM meditator for nigh on 30 years, I can assure
you that not once has any contact been made with NAZI
sounding people in Antartica.

But! And this will interest you Jack, I did hear a story
today on an old Art Bell show about the Mothman
profecies, and guess what. The investigator, the man
who's book the recent movie was based on, reported
receiving calls from people with a mechanized voice,
like a computer, many times over the years during his
investigations. Even before computers were in use
by the public.


We are close now. We are very close now to finding
out about visitors to this planet, from other times,
and other space.

Clearly there are those in the Pentagon, who know far
more than they are telling.

There may in fact be a stargate at S4, or a wormhole that
was opened up by accident during a nuclear test.

That is the most likely explanation.

It is becoming so common place these days, to hear rumors
of all these fantastic things, and yet when it comes right
down to it, it seems life just marches on, without any
strange occurance in the mainstream whatsoever.

The mystery and the hype of all these things, and how the secret
is so fantastic to be unbelieveable and all that, is in my
opinion, just crap talk.

Crap talk by people who have an interest in frightening the
people, so as to be able to walk the world unttroubled, and
undiscovered. And so that the powers that be, can maintain
hold of whatecver power lies in the unknown, to be used
against the populace, to forward their agenda, which is
aristocratic priveledge.

But it is not a scientific agenda because the top physicsists
do not even know this physics.

The physics of wormholes and time travel and repeating time
lines, and paralell time lines etc.

We have theories, but there is adequate proof, that there are people
here, who do know, and do use this technology.

The people I trust who I communicate with, seemed concerned for
the future of the earth. At least that is the impression
I get. That we may go the way of Atlantis, and three strikes and
you are out, should the world turn to WWIII.

But then we live with that in our lives and know that as a fact,
that any nuclear war would result in nuclear winter.

I think there are those, who do not want to promote travel
between time lines, partly because the human race, are
predatory, unfriendly, untrusting, and do not play well
with others.

Who can blame them.

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 03:43:15 +0000, Rick Sobie wrote:

In article , says...



On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 11:49 AM, Constantin Ivanenko wrote:


Jack wrote:

Thanks. Do a lot of people in Russia today believe this? I mean about
Nazis in Antartica today with advanced WMD technology?



I just read this article on Lake Vostok, from a conspiratorial
perspective, and they brought up the fact that NASA had
been funding some exploration of the lake in an attempt to
determine if life existed there and then they suddenly backed
out and claimed National Security as the reason.


[ quote

However, the most intriguing news coming out of Antarctica had to
do with the extremely powerful magnetic anomaly located in the
northern end of the lake’s coast: a discovery which would give
rise to a number of conjectures and would be compared with the
fictional TMA-1 (Tycho Magnetic Anomaly-1) in the movie 2001:
A Space Odyssey.
http://seekers.100megs6.com/Vostak-LakeShadows.htm
unquote]


Fictional? Have they taken a look at Tycho crater at all I wonder?

The bottom of Tycho crater is made up of polygons. Regular
shaped polygons, like a honeycomb.


Here it is from Naval Space Command.
Notice that the remark about the curious polygon floor,
http://www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/clementi...ect/tycho.html

Unusual isn't the word.

If you examine the center of the crater, it looks very much
like dirt has been piled up. How would Arthur C. know about
the possibility that wormholes might exist between planets
in the neutral zone, otherwise? He must have had insider
information. That was his point I believe that they
went to Jupiter to investigate where the radio signal
was being sent to, on arrival they saw the obelisque,
it led the guy through the wormhole.

There is even a cave entrance or evidence of an excavation.
http://www.lunaranomalies.com/images/cltycho.jpg

There are those who claim that the other obelisque might be in
Antarctica, in Lake Vostok.

However, probably the fear is that if you were to examine
life that has been there for eons, it might be harmful,
or maybe terminal to mankind. So that would be a reasonable
national security issue, to keep people away, while
it is being investigated.

http://www.70south.com/news/989352796/index_html

But the old NAZI rumour is just that.

Being a TM meditator for nigh on 30 years, I can assure
you that not once has any contact been made with NAZI
sounding people in Antartica.

But! And this will interest you Jack, I did hear a story
today on an old Art Bell show about the Mothman
profecies, and guess what. The investigator, the man
who's book the recent movie was based on, reported
receiving calls from people with a mechanized voice,
like a computer, many times over the years during his
investigations. Even before computers were in use
by the public.


We are close now. We are very close now to finding
out about visitors to this planet, from other times,
and other space.

Clearly there are those in the Pentagon, who know far
more than they are telling.

There may in fact be a stargate at S4, or a wormhole that
was opened up by accident during a nuclear test.

That is the most likely explanation.

It is becoming so common place these days, to hear rumors
of all these fantastic things, and yet when it comes right
down to it, it seems life just marches on, without any
strange occurance in the mainstream whatsoever.

The mystery and the hype of all these things, and how the secret
is so fantastic to be unbelieveable and all that, is in my
opinion, just crap talk.

Crap talk by people who have an interest in frightening the
people, so as to be able to walk the world unttroubled, and
undiscovered. And so that the powers that be, can maintain
hold of whatecver power lies in the unknown, to be used
against the populace, to forward their agenda, which is
aristocratic priveledge.

But it is not a scientific agenda because the top physicsists
do not even know this physics.

The physics of wormholes and time travel and repeating time
lines, and paralell time lines etc.

We have theories, but there is adequate proof, that there are people
here, who do know, and do use this technology.

The people I trust who I communicate with, seemed concerned for
the future of the earth. At least that is the impression
I get. That we may go the way of Atlantis, and three strikes and
you are out, should the world turn to WWIII.

But then we live with that in our lives and know that as a fact,
that any nuclear war would result in nuclear winter.

I think there are those, who do not want to promote travel
between time lines, partly because the human race, are
predatory, unfriendly, untrusting, and do not play well
with others.

Who can blame them.

All this trying to out-crank Sarfatti just won't wash. He's in a league of
his own when it comes to crackpot theorizing.