The Postulates for a correct Aether Theory:

1) The laws of physics based on a clock second is the same
for all observers in all inertial reference frames.
2) The speed of light in free space based on a clock second
has the same mathematical ratio c in all directions and all
inertial frames.
3) The laws of physics based on a defined absolute second
is different in different frames of reference.
4) The speed of light in free space based on a defined absolute
second has a different mathematical ratio for light speed in
different inertial frames. The speed of light based on a defined
absolute second is maximum in the rest frame of the aether.

In addition, this correct aether theory defines that the speed of
light is not a universal constant as asserted by SR. It defines
the speed of light as a constant math ratio c as follows:

The light path length of a rod (299,792,458 m long) in any
moving frame / the absolute time content for a clock second
co-moving with the rod

For a complete description of such an aether theory please read
the paper in the following link:
http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/L...apers/Seto.pdf

Also please visit my website and click on to the section entitled
Doppler Relativity Theory (DRT)
http://www.erinet.com/kenseto/book.html

Ken Seto

kenseto wrote:

The Postulates for a correct Aether Theory:

1) The laws of physics based on a clock second is the same
for all observers in all inertial reference frames.
2) The speed of light in free space based on a clock second
has the same mathematical ratio c in all directions and all
inertial frames.
3) The laws of physics based on a defined absolute second
is different in different frames of reference.
4) The speed of light in free space based on a defined absolute
second has a different mathematical ratio for light speed in
different inertial frames. The speed of light based on a defined
absolute second is maximum in the rest frame of the aether.

In addition, this correct aether theory defines that the *speed of
light is not a universal constant* as asserted by SR. It defines
the *speed of light as a constant* math ratio c as follows:

In this paragraph, you have stated that the speed of light is not a
constant and that it is a constant. You are explicitly basing your
theory on a contradiction.



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"Brian Kennelly" wrote in message
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kenseto wrote:

The Postulates for a correct Aether Theory:

1) The laws of physics based on a clock second is the same
for all observers in all inertial reference frames.
2) The speed of light in free space based on a clock second
has the same mathematical ratio c in all directions and all
inertial frames.
3) The laws of physics based on a defined absolute second
is different in different frames of reference.
4) The speed of light in free space based on a defined absolute
second has a different mathematical ratio for light speed in
different inertial frames. The speed of light based on a defined
absolute second is maximum in the rest frame of the aether.

In addition, this correct aether theory defines that the *speed of
light is not a universal constant* as asserted by SR. It defines
the *speed of light as a constant* math ratio c as follows:

In this paragraph, you have stated that the speed of light is not a
constant and that it is a constant. You are explicitly basing your
theory on a contradiction.



No, he hasn't. He defined it as a "constant math ratio".



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"Brian Kennelly" wrote in message
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kenseto wrote:

The Postulates for a correct Aether Theory:

1) The laws of physics based on a clock second is the same
for all observers in all inertial reference frames.
2) The speed of light in free space based on a clock second
has the same mathematical ratio c in all directions and all
inertial frames.
3) The laws of physics based on a defined absolute second
is different in different frames of reference.
4) The speed of light in free space based on a defined absolute
second has a different mathematical ratio for light speed in
different inertial frames. The speed of light based on a defined
absolute second is maximum in the rest frame of the aether.

In addition, this correct aether theory defines that the *speed of
light is not a universal constant* as asserted by SR. It defines
the *speed of light as a constant* math ratio c as follows:

In this paragraph, you have stated that the speed of light is not a
constant and that it is a constant. You are explicitly basing your
theory on a contradiction.

No...you don't read very well. There is a different between a universal
constant
and a constant math ratio. If the speed of light is a universal constant
then a
clock second is a universal interval of time (...that is the passage of a
clock
second a clock second in one frame is equal to the passage of a clock in all
frames.
We know that is not true (Time dilation). OTOH, is the speed of light is a
constant math ratio then a clock second does not mean a universal interval
of time. This would agree with the observed fact that clcok at different
frames run at different rate.

Ken Seto

kenseto wrote:
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kenseto wrote:


The Postulates for a correct Aether Theory:

1) The laws of physics based on a clock second is the same
for all observers in all inertial reference frames.
2) The speed of light in free space based on a clock second
has the same mathematical ratio c in all directions and all
inertial frames.
3) The laws of physics based on a defined absolute second
is different in different frames of reference.
4) The speed of light in free space based on a defined absolute
second has a different mathematical ratio for light speed in
different inertial frames. The speed of light based on a defined
absolute second is maximum in the rest frame of the aether.

In addition, this correct aether theory defines that the *speed of
light is not a universal constant* as asserted by SR. It defines
the *speed of light as a constant* math ratio c as follows:


In this paragraph, you have stated that the speed of light is not a
constant and that it is a constant. You are explicitly basing your
theory on a contradiction.


No...you don't read very well. There is a different between a universal
constant
and a constant math ratio. If the speed of light is a universal constant
then a
clock second is a universal interval of time (...that is the passage of a
clock
second a clock second in one frame is equal to the passage of a clock in all
frames.
That does not follow. In fact, if time is universal as you conclude,
then light speed cannot be a universal constant, but must vary between
differently moving frames.

Perhaps you mean that the speed of light is a constant in each inertial
system, but varies between systems, so is not universal? This still
leads to a contradiction with your postulate 2 about the isotropy of
light in each system.

Light speed isotropy is not compatible with absolute time. Consider two
rods. Choose a system in which one of the rods is at rest. Assuming
isotropy, then a light signal will take the same time to travel in each
direction down the rod. If the other rod is moving to the right and its
ends coincide with the first rod when the signals are emitted(t0), then
the left bound signal will reach the left end of the moving rod(t1)
before it reaches the left end of the first rod, and the right bound
signal will reach the end of the first rod before it reaches the end of
the moving rod(t2). So, if time is absolute, even if we allow for a
scale change between frames, the sequence of events t2t1 will be
preserved, and the time for a signal to travel left (A(t1-t0)) will be
less than to to travel right (A(t2-t0)). So, if time is absolute, light
speed is not isotropic in all systems.


We know that is not true (Time dilation). OTOH, is the speed of light is a
constant math ratio then a clock second does not mean a universal interval
of time. This would agree with the observed fact that clcok at different
frames run at different rate.

The speed of light is a speed, so it is equal to the ration of distance
traveled to time elapsed. I don't know what your insertion of "math" as
an adjective means in this context.

You appear to be using the speed of light to define the "absolute time
content" but, as I showed above, this leads to a value for the time that
depends on the direction of the light signal, thus ruling out either
absolute time or light speed isotropy.



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Thomas Jones wrote:

"Brian Kennelly" wrote in message
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kenseto wrote:


The Postulates for a correct Aether Theory:

1) The laws of physics based on a clock second is the same
for all observers in all inertial reference frames.
2) The speed of light in free space based on a clock second
has the same mathematical ratio c in all directions and all
inertial frames.
3) The laws of physics based on a defined absolute second
is different in different frames of reference.
4) The speed of light in free space based on a defined absolute
second has a different mathematical ratio for light speed in
different inertial frames. The speed of light based on a defined
absolute second is maximum in the rest frame of the aether.

In addition, this correct aether theory defines that the *speed of
light is not a universal constant* as asserted by SR. It defines
the *speed of light as a constant* math ratio c as follows:


In this paragraph, you have stated that the speed of light is not a
constant and that it is a constant. You are explicitly basing your
theory on a contradiction.




No, he hasn't. He defined it as a "constant math ratio".

I did overlook the possible understanding of light speed as constant
within a system, but varying between systems. He still does not tell us
how the speed varies between systems.



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"Brian Kennelly" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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kenseto wrote:
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3) The laws of physics based on a defined absolute second
is different in different frames of reference.

Acc. to the Twin Paradox the seconds differ. Also acc. to M&M and therefore
SR.
So what frame shows the correct "abs. second" ?

Take the moving twin in the relativistic rocket. His clock is not going slow
acc. to experiments at the ship. It may be that in 10 years he is 100000 ly
away from earth and he is able to ckeck this. So is he moving with in
average 10000c?
And signals from the ship are always receivable at earth and are approaching
with c.

It seems to be evident, that if one frame is splitted in 2 parts, earth and
rocket, and one changes its position and it results in time dilation then
earth is the absolute frame for this experiment.

So the starting conditions are important if the seconds are ticking
different (to be comp. after return).
Have Andromeda and we the same starting conditions?
Dear Kenseto I have changed my view into a starting frame, but time until
now at this point is still in the starting second!!

rgds Rudi Drabek

"Brian Kennelly" wrote in message
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Thomas Jones wrote:

"Brian Kennelly" wrote in message
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kenseto wrote:


The Postulates for a correct Aether Theory:

1) The laws of physics based on a clock second is the same
for all observers in all inertial reference frames.
2) The speed of light in free space based on a clock second
has the same mathematical ratio c in all directions and all
inertial frames.
3) The laws of physics based on a defined absolute second
is different in different frames of reference.
4) The speed of light in free space based on a defined absolute
second has a different mathematical ratio for light speed in
different inertial frames. The speed of light based on a defined
absolute second is maximum in the rest frame of the aether.

In addition, this correct aether theory defines that the *speed of
light is not a universal constant* as asserted by SR. It defines
the *speed of light as a constant* math ratio c as follows:


In this paragraph, you have stated that the speed of light is not a
constant and that it is a constant. You are explicitly basing your
theory on a contradiction.




No, he hasn't. He defined it as a "constant math ratio".

I did overlook the possible understanding of light speed as constant
within a system, but varying between systems. He still does not tell us
how the speed varies between systems.

Can't you read? In order to determione the variations of the speed of light
in different systems you have to use the same amount of absolute time in
all the systems to determine light speed. One way to do this is that the
observer declare his clock second also represents a defined absolute second
then use SR/GR to determine the clock time value for a defined absolute
second
in the observed frame. Then use that defined absolute second to determine
the speed of light in the observed frame.

Ken Seto

"Brian Kennelly" wrote in message
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kenseto wrote:
"Brian Kennelly" wrote in message
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kenseto wrote:


The Postulates for a correct Aether Theory:

1) The laws of physics based on a clock second is the same
for all observers in all inertial reference frames.
2) The speed of light in free space based on a clock second
has the same mathematical ratio c in all directions and all
inertial frames.
3) The laws of physics based on a defined absolute second
is different in different frames of reference.
4) The speed of light in free space based on a defined absolute
second has a different mathematical ratio for light speed in
different inertial frames. The speed of light based on a defined
absolute second is maximum in the rest frame of the aether.

In addition, this correct aether theory defines that the *speed of
light is not a universal constant* as asserted by SR. It defines
the *speed of light as a constant* math ratio c as follows:


In this paragraph, you have stated that the speed of light is not a
constant and that it is a constant. You are explicitly basing your
theory on a contradiction.


No...you don't read very well. There is a different between a universal
constant
and a constant math ratio. If the speed of light is a universal constant
then a
clock second is a universal interval of time (...that is the passage of
a
clock
second a clock second in one frame is equal to the passage of a clock in
all
frames.
That does not follow. In fact, if time is universal as you conclude,
then light speed cannot be a universal constant, but must vary between
differently moving frames.

Perhaps you mean that the speed of light is a constant in each inertial
system, but varies between systems, so is not universal?

Sigh...I already explained to you that there is a difference between a
universal
constant and a constant math ratio. Why can't you understand what I am
saying?

This still
leads to a contradiction with your postulate 2 about the isotropy of
light in each system.

A clock second contains a different amount of absolute time in different
frames
and that why the speed of light using a clcok second is isotropic in all
frames.

Light speed isotropy is not compatible with absolute time.

Now this is getting rediclus. Do you have comprehension problem?
The speed of light is an isotropic constant math ratio in all frames as
follows:
Light path length of rod (299,792,458m)/the absolute time content for
a clcok second co-moving with the rod.
What is that about this statement that you don't understand?

Consider two
rods. Choose a system in which one of the rods is at rest. Assuming
isotropy, then a light signal will take the same time to travel in each
direction down the rod. If the other rod is moving to the right and its
ends coincide with the first rod when the signals are emitted(t0), then
the left bound signal will reach the left end of the moving rod(t1)
before it reaches the left end of the first rod, and the right bound
signal will reach the end of the first rod before it reaches the end of
the moving rod(t2). So, if time is absolute, even if we allow for a
scale change between frames, the sequence of events t2t1 will be
preserved, and the time for a signal to travel left (A(t1-t0)) will be
less than to to travel right (A(t2-t0)). So, if time is absolute, light
speed is not isotropic in all systems.

This is stupid. In the rest frame of both rods light will take the same time
to traverse the rod in all directions. Observed relative motion have no
effect
on the transit time.

Ken Seto

"Rudolf Drabek" wrote in message
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"Brian Kennelly" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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kenseto wrote:
.....
3) The laws of physics based on a defined absolute second
is different in different frames of reference.

Acc. to the Twin Paradox the seconds differ. Also acc. to M&M and
therefore
SR.
So what frame shows the correct "abs. second" ?

We don't have a universal clock that measures absolute time in all frames.
An observer can declare his clock second is also representing a defined
absolute second then he use SR/Gr to determine the clcok time value for
a defined absolute second in the observed frame.

Ken Seto