Riedt's Constancy of Light Rebuttal II

The constancy of the speed of light (isotropy) is one of the principles of
Special Relativity. That this principle is not tenable can be illustrated by
a simple thought experiment.

A spaceship of 100m length and 100m width travels at 30000km/sec in uniform
rectilinear motion through space. Mounted on the square roof are two light
sensors A and B and one light emitter, E. Emitter E is located in the front
left corner of the roof, sensor A is located at the back left corner and
sensor B on the front right corner. At rest, distance EA = distance EB =
100m. While the spaceship travels in the direction of AE, light is emitted
from E to A parallel to the motion and to B perpendicularly. For light to be
isotropic, it must hit A and B at the same time if observed from another
*frame*.

Special Relativity uses the Lorentz transformation formula
L1=L*sqrt(1-vv/cc) to calculate the relativity length of our spaceship. An
observer in another frame will measure EA to be 99.498m and distance EB to
be 100m (contraction of x axis only, y and z unaltered).

Conclusion: Light cannot be isotropic to traverse the different distances EA
and EB in the same time. In general, according to Special Relativity, all
light traversing equal distances parallel and perpendicular to the direction
of the motion of a system will be observed from another frame to be
anisotropic. Special Relativity postulates the constancy of light but
contradicts itself by the use of the Lorentz transforms.

Peter Riedt

Peter Riedt wrote:

Conclusion: Light cannot be isotropic to traverse the different distances EA
and EB in the same time.

What you mean same time, paleface? Each observer has his own clock.
There is nothing in this scenario that proves light is not isotropic. I
will give you a clue. No one has done an experiment that has invalidated
SR. Furthermore quantum electrodynamics which assumes SR is the most
accurate theory ever constructed. No experiment has ever falsified QED,
either.

Try again.

Bob Kolker

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:36:15 -0500, Robert J. Kolker wrote:



Peter Riedt wrote:

Conclusion: Light cannot be isotropic to traverse the different
distances EA and EB in the same time.

What you mean same time, paleface? Each observer has his own clock. There
is nothing in this scenario that proves light is not isotropic. I will
give you a clue. No one has done an experiment that has invalidated SR.
Furthermore quantum electrodynamics which assumes SR is the most accurate
theory ever constructed. No experiment has ever falsified QED, either.

Try again.

Is that meant to imply that he tried the first time? I see no true attempt
at any reasonable (i.e., intelligent) discourse from the original post.

Jeff

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Peter Riedt:
Riedt's Constancy of Light Rebuttal II

The constancy of the speed of light (isotropy) is one of the principles of
Special Relativity. That this principle is not tenable can be illustrated by
a simple thought experiment.

Unfortunately, your thought experiment is as simple as your notion
that your thought experiment would invalidate all of the real experiments
that contradict you.

"Peter Riedt" wrote in message
...
Riedt's Constancy of Light Rebuttal II

The constancy of the speed of light (isotropy) is one of the principles of
Special Relativity. That this principle is not tenable can be illustrated
by
a simple thought experiment.

A spaceship of 100m length and 100m width travels at 30000km/sec in
uniform
rectilinear motion through space. Mounted on the square roof are two light
sensors A and B and one light emitter, E. Emitter E is located in the
front
left corner of the roof, sensor A is located at the back left corner and
sensor B on the front right corner. At rest, distance EA = distance EB =
100m. While the spaceship travels in the direction of AE, light is emitted
from E to A parallel to the motion and to B perpendicularly. For light to
be
isotropic, it must hit A and B at the same time if observed from another
*frame*.

Special Relativity uses the Lorentz transformation formula
L1=L*sqrt(1-vv/cc) to calculate the relativity length of our spaceship. An
observer in another frame will measure EA to be 99.498m and distance EB to
be 100m (contraction of x axis only, y and z unaltered).

No...the an outside observer using the LT will get the same answer for EA
and EB.
However, due to the SR concept of Relativity of Simultaneity an outside
observer will
conclude that the transit time for EA is different than EB and thus
violating the
isotropy of the speed of light as observed in the ship.

Ken Seto

"Peter Riedt" wrote in message ...
Riedt's Constancy of Light Rebuttal II

The constancy of the speed of light (isotropy) is one of the principles of
Special Relativity. That this principle is not tenable can be illustrated by
a simple thought experiment.

A spaceship of 100m length and 100m width travels at 30000km/sec in uniform
rectilinear motion through space. Mounted on the square roof are two light
sensors A and B and one light emitter, E. Emitter E is located in the front
left corner of the roof, sensor A is located at the back left corner and
sensor B on the front right corner. At rest, distance EA = distance EB =
100m. While the spaceship travels in the direction of AE, light is emitted
from E to A parallel to the motion and to B perpendicularly. For light to be
isotropic, it must hit A and B at the same time if observed from another
*frame*.

Wrong. Your assertion that the reception of light at A and the
reception of light at B must be simultaneous in all frames is contrary
to SR and amounts to an up-front assumption that SR is wrong. When
you assume that something is incorrect at the outset, you can easily
lead yourself to the conclusion that it is wrong.

Paul Cardinale

"Paul Cardinale" wrote in message om...
"Peter Riedt" wrote in message ...
Riedt's Constancy of Light Rebuttal II

The constancy of the speed of light (isotropy) is one of the principles of
Special Relativity. That this principle is not tenable can be illustrated by
a simple thought experiment.

A spaceship of 100m length and 100m width travels at 30000km/sec in uniform
rectilinear motion through space. Mounted on the square roof are two light
sensors A and B and one light emitter, E. Emitter E is located in the front
left corner of the roof, sensor A is located at the back left corner and
sensor B on the front right corner. At rest, distance EA = distance EB =
100m. While the spaceship travels in the direction of AE, light is emitted
from E to A parallel to the motion and to B perpendicularly. For light to be
isotropic, it must hit A and B at the same time if observed from another
*frame*.

Wrong. Your assertion that the reception of light at A and the
reception of light at B must be simultaneous in all frames is contrary
to SR and amounts to an up-front assumption that SR is wrong. When
you assume that something is incorrect at the outset, you can easily
lead yourself to the conclusion that it is wrong.

I told him and explained 3 days ago:
lenet-ops.be
He made it a little bit simpler now, and it is still utterly
stupid.
Something is obviously severely missing up there (at least
intelligence and the most primitive sense of fair-play).
Riedt is a troll of the very stupid kind. Somewhat less stupid
than Spaceman, but still extremely stupid. Can safely be
compared with Ken Seto.

Dirk Vdm

"Peter Riedt" skrev i melding ...
Riedt's Constancy of Light Rebuttal II

The constancy of the speed of light (isotropy) is one of the principles of
Special Relativity. That this principle is not tenable can be illustrated by
a simple thought experiment.

A spaceship of 100m length and 100m width travels at 30000km/sec in uniform
rectilinear motion through space. Mounted on the square roof are two light
sensors A and B and one light emitter, E. Emitter E is located in the front
left corner of the roof, sensor A is located at the back left corner and
sensor B on the front right corner. At rest, distance EA = distance EB =
100m. While the spaceship travels in the direction of AE, light is emitted
from E to A parallel to the motion and to B perpendicularly. For light to be
isotropic, it must hit A and B at the same time if observed from another
*frame*.

Special Relativity uses the Lorentz transformation formula
L1=L*sqrt(1-vv/cc) to calculate the relativity length of our spaceship. An
observer in another frame will measure EA to be 99.498m and distance EB to
be 100m (contraction of x axis only, y and z unaltered).

Conclusion: Light cannot be isotropic to traverse the different distances EA
and EB in the same time. In general, according to Special Relativity, all
light traversing equal distances parallel and perpendicular to the direction
of the motion of a system will be observed from another frame to be
anisotropic. Special Relativity postulates the constancy of light but
contradicts itself by the use of the Lorentz transforms.

Peter Riedt

I find it amazing that someone can think that an inconsistency
which can be demonstrated by a simplistic though experiment
can be unnoticed by scientists for a century.

Peter, haven't you considered the possibility that your thought
experiment is wrong? No self criticism at all?

It's another:
"Given that Galilean relativity applies, SR is wrong"

Paul

"Paul B. Andersen" wrote in message
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"Peter Riedt" skrev i melding
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Riedt's Constancy of Light Rebuttal II

The constancy of the speed of light (isotropy) is one of the principles
of
Special Relativity. That this principle is not tenable can be
illustrated by
a simple thought experiment.

A spaceship of 100m length and 100m width travels at 30000km/sec in
uniform
rectilinear motion through space. Mounted on the square roof are two
light
sensors A and B and one light emitter, E. Emitter E is located in the
front
left corner of the roof, sensor A is located at the back left corner and
sensor B on the front right corner. At rest, distance EA = distance EB =
100m. While the spaceship travels in the direction of AE, light is
emitted
from E to A parallel to the motion and to B perpendicularly. For light
to be
isotropic, it must hit A and B at the same time if observed from another
*frame*.

Special Relativity uses the Lorentz transformation formula
L1=L*sqrt(1-vv/cc) to calculate the relativity length of our spaceship.
An
observer in another frame will measure EA to be 99.498m and distance EB
to
be 100m (contraction of x axis only, y and z unaltered).

Conclusion: Light cannot be isotropic to traverse the different
distances EA
and EB in the same time. In general, according to Special Relativity,
all
light traversing equal distances parallel and perpendicular to the
direction
of the motion of a system will be observed from another frame to be
anisotropic. Special Relativity postulates the constancy of light but
contradicts itself by the use of the Lorentz transforms.

Peter Riedt

I find it amazing that someone can think that an inconsistency
which can be demonstrated by a simplistic though experiment
can be unnoticed by scientists for a century.

Peter, haven't you considered the possibility that your thought
experiment is wrong? No self criticism at all?

It's another:
"Given that Galilean relativity applies, SR is wrong"

NO....given that SR's concept of Relativity of Simultaneity,
an outside observer will assert that the transit time for path EA
is different than the transit time for path EB. This is in direct
conflict with the ship observer's measurements that the speed
of light is isotropic.

Ken Seto

"Paul B. Andersen" wrote in message
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"Peter Riedt" skrev i melding
...
Riedt's Constancy of Light Rebuttal II

The constancy of the speed of light (isotropy) is one of the principles
of
Special Relativity. That this principle is not tenable can be
illustrated by
a simple thought experiment.

A spaceship of 100m length and 100m width travels at 30000km/sec in
uniform
rectilinear motion through space. Mounted on the square roof are two
light
sensors A and B and one light emitter, E. Emitter E is located in the
front
left corner of the roof, sensor A is located at the back left corner and
sensor B on the front right corner. At rest, distance EA = distance EB =
100m. While the spaceship travels in the direction of AE, light is
emitted
from E to A parallel to the motion and to B perpendicularly. For light
to be
isotropic, it must hit A and B at the same time if observed from another
*frame*.

Special Relativity uses the Lorentz transformation formula
L1=L*sqrt(1-vv/cc) to calculate the relativity length of our spaceship.
An
observer in another frame will measure EA to be 99.498m and distance EB
to
be 100m (contraction of x axis only, y and z unaltered).

Conclusion: Light cannot be isotropic to traverse the different
distances EA
and EB in the same time. In general, according to Special Relativity,
all
light traversing equal distances parallel and perpendicular to the
direction
of the motion of a system will be observed from another frame to be
anisotropic. Special Relativity postulates the constancy of light but
contradicts itself by the use of the Lorentz transforms.

Peter Riedt

I find it amazing that someone can think that an inconsistency
which can be demonstrated by a simplistic though experiment
can be unnoticed by scientists for a century.

Peter, haven't you considered the possibility that your thought
experiment is wrong? No self criticism at all?

It's another:
"Given that Galilean relativity applies, SR is wrong"

Paul


Paul, I may be wrong, possibly are. But why cannot anyone tell me how light
can go 98m and 100m in the same time and still be isotropic?

Peter Riedt