Bjoern and other physics wizards (in all departments).

In the end part of http://tillerfoundation.com/science.html after
sharing all the mathematics (pls look at his web site). Dr. Tiller
wrote the following. What's wrong with it? Why do you agree or disagree
with it especially the space and vacuum part where his theory offers
more flexibility that can explain extended phenomena? Instead of yelling
his work as "crackpot". Pls mention counter-arguments why it needs
to be junked or deserving further studies. I'm not major in Physics
so I can't scrutinize it fully. Thanks.

"Key Differences with the Conventional Physics Model:

Although both models are extended to include a hyperspace description
as a unification scheme, the Level One Model introduces some new types
of symmetries associated with observational frames, particle mass and
particle velocity. In the conventional physics model, the inaccessible
dimensions are tightly balled up at each point of normal space while,
in the Level One Model, the higher dimensions are inaccessible to the
physical sensory systems, or to present-day instrumentation, by virtue
of the requirement that passage through the inversion mirror at the
light barrier (v=c) is a prerequisite for observation in these
dimensions. For example, accessing information in this conjugate
four-space requires the sensory capacity to discriminate and interpret
wave number-type of information. It seems as if nature is imprinting
more information into the four-space medium via a process akin to
multiplexing wherein one sensory system reads direct 4-D signals while
another (not yet fully developed in mos t of us) reads the inverse 4-D
signals. Still another aspect of human sensory system capability is
thought to allow access to information imprinted at the still higher
dimensional levels.

With the conventional physics model, empty space is implicitly the
vacuum and space is a continuum while the vacuum is considered by many
to be a negative energy sea of virtual (mathematically imaginary)
particles. The Level One Model see space as a granular ordered network
with the vacuum having a variety of substructures and negative energy
bands filled with both negative mass (mathematically real) particles
as well as virtual particles.

The conventional physical level physics model sees magnetic effects as
only coming from the rotational aspects of electric charge while the
Level One Model also utilizes real monopole magnetic charges but
operating in a normally inaccessible domain (v c) for our standard
physical sensory system. The SU(2) versus the U(1) gauge differences
between magnetic and electric charge in the conventional picture
appear to be relevant here and may soften differences between the two
approaches on this issue.

In the conventional physics model, wave-particle duality was a
surprising observation that became a cornerstone of quantum mechanics.
In the dual four-space construct of the Level One Model, it springs
naturally from the inversion relationship between the two spaces.
Other individuals have proposed and studied conjugate four-space
systems, but the Level One arrangement of an 8-space comprised of two
conjugate 4-spaces (inverses of each other) seems not to have been
considered to date.

Finally, in the conventional physics model, although consciousness is
tacitly allowed as a factor involved in the collapse of a wave
function, there appears to be little room for robust mind action or
applied human intention. However, in the Level One Model, this factor
is central to the flow of events in human experience and is easily
accommodated. In fact, the whole purpose of the simulator is the human
learning of applied intentionality and applied love in the evolution
of self towards higher states of s tructural organization and
consciousness.

It is information waves, the "stuff" of consciousness, that propagate
along the nodal networks placing potential maps on the vast array of
nodal points of three different size scales and types. These nodal
points translate the information waves into transmitted energy
patterns of communicator/mediator particles for interacting with the
various particles of substance, physical and subtle. "

see http://tillerfoundation.com/science.html for all the mathematics

"cinquirer" wrote in message
om...
Bjoern and other physics wizards (in all departments).

In the end part of http://tillerfoundation.com/science.html after
sharing all the mathematics (pls look at his web site). Dr. Tiller
wrote the following. What's wrong with it? Why do you agree or disagree
with it especially the space and vacuum part where his theory offers
more flexibility that can explain extended phenomena? Instead of yelling
his work as "crackpot". Pls mention counter-arguments why it needs
to be junked or deserving further studies. I'm not major in Physics
so I can't scrutinize it fully. Thanks.

snip

In the conventional physics model, the inaccessible
dimensions are tightly balled up at each point of normal space

There are many "conventional" models, and various interpretations of each
model. The "inaccessible dimensions" are a feature of one interpretation of
superstring theory, jus one of the models. Theoretical physics is all
abount twisting each model every which way one can to produce quantitative
predictions that are verifiable by independent measurements.

while, in the Level One Model,

Sorry, I have never heard of a model that goes by the miniker "Level One" -

the higher dimensions are inaccessible to the
physical sensory systems, or to present-day instrumentation, by virtue
of the requirement that passage through the inversion mirror at the
light barrier (v=c) is a prerequisite for observation in these
dimensions.

When you only tool is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail. When
your information about the distant parts of the universe comes primarily
from electromagnetism, the relevant phenomena of electromagnetism (4-space,
charge, fields) dominate your world-view.

snip
... while
another (not yet fully developed in mos t of us) reads the inverse 4-D
signals.

What the heck are these "inverse 4-D signals"? Is it anything like the
reciprocal space used to transform X-ray diffraction data into crystal
structures?

Still another aspect of human sensory system capability is
thought to allow access to information imprinted at the still higher
dimensional levels.

Pure speculation. What evidence is there for the existence of this
information "imprinted at higher dimensional levels?" If humans sensory
systems are somehow able to access it, then there should be some independent
physical means of demonstrating its existence. Unless, of course, one
postulates the existence of some component of human awareness that exists
totally without any measurable properties common to the physical universe -
and therefore incapable of interacting with it!

The non-physical universe is physically indistinguishable from the
meta-physical universe.

With the conventional physics model, empty space is implicitly the
vacuum and space is a continuum while the vacuum is considered by many
to be a negative energy sea of virtual (mathematically imaginary)
particles.

Again, not all conventional physical models are alike. Still the "negative
energy" model has the appealing feature that the total mass-energy of the
universe is zero, which preserves one of our more fundamental conservation
laws through the Big Bang.

The Level One Model see space as a granular ordered network
with the vacuum having a variety of substructures and negative energy
bands filled with both negative mass (mathematically real) particles
as well as virtual particles.

Again with the "Level One model!" It is useless to discuss the attributes of
something that remains undefined.

The conventional physical level physics model sees magnetic effects as
only coming from the rotational aspects of electric charge

Now that's just plain wrong. I doubt that your Dr. Tiller even passed
freshman physics. Magnetic effects arise when there is relative motion
between a charge and the frame of reference in which it is being observed -
even when that motion has no "rotational aspects." Every freshman physics
class teaches (or should) Ampère's Law.

snip

In the conventional physics model, wave-particle duality was a
surprising observation that became a cornerstone of quantum mechanics.
In the dual four-space construct of the Level One Model, it springs
naturally from the inversion relationship between the two spaces.

Wave-particle duality "springs naturally" from Maxwellian Electromagnetism
theory, and is nearly trivial in the tensor algebra formulation. Only one
4-dimensional space is required. Ockham's razor can be used here.

Finally, in the conventional physics model, although consciousness is
tacitly allowed as a factor involved in the collapse of a wave
function, there appears to be little room for robust mind action or
applied human intention.

Do not confuse "measurement" (implies a device - requiring an interaction of
an external probe with a physical system) with "observation" (implies an
observer - requiring the interpretation of data and events with regard to
expectations).

In the measurement the probe itself "collapses" the wave function because
the probe cannot interact with probabilities, only realities. We use the
probe to indicate the nature of the reality it encounters. The "mind"
doesn't even show up until MUCH later.

However, in the Level One Model, this factor
is central to the flow of events in human experience and is easily
accommodated. In fact, the whole purpose of the simulator is the human
learning of applied intentionality and applied love in the evolution
of self towards higher states of s tructural organization and
consciousness.

(chorus)
"This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius, the Age of Aquarius, ooh!"

It is information waves, the "stuff" of consciousness, that propagate
along the nodal networks placing potential maps on the vast array of
nodal points of three different size scales and types. These nodal
points translate the information waves into transmitted energy
patterns of communicator/mediator particles for interacting with the
various particles of substance, physical and subtle. "

Well, trhere is certainly a goodly supply of technobabble here, but since
the author is lacking the proper definitions for most of these terms
[information waves, nodal networks, potential maps, nodla points, size
scales, transmitted eenrgy patterns, communicator/mediator particles] in a
common context, this has become simply the output of a pseudo-random prose
generator that has been fed a few techie's glossaries.

see http://SPAM.tillerfoundation.com/science.html for all the mathematics

No thanks. My Dr. says I need to cut down on the empty calories...


Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

cinquirer wrote:

Bjoern and other physics wizards (in all departments).

In the end part of http://tillerfoundation.com/science.html after
sharing all the mathematics (pls look at his web site).

I told you several times already that I won't look at any websites which
proposes hypotheses to explain Qi until you give me some references to
properly controlled double-blind studies which demonstrate that Qi
exists.


Dr. Tiller
wrote the following. What's wrong with it? Why do you agree or disagree
with it especially the space and vacuum part where his theory offers
more flexibility that can explain extended phenomena? Instead of yelling
his work as "crackpot". Pls mention counter-arguments why it needs
to be junked or deserving further studies. I'm not major in Physics
so I can't scrutinize it fully. Thanks.

"Key Differences with the Conventional Physics Model:

What does he mean specifically with "Conventional Physics Model"? The
Standard Model of elementary particle physics or what?


Although both models are extended to include a hyperspace description
as a unification scheme,

Sorry, but the SM doesn't include a "hyperspace description as a
unification scheme". The term "hyperspace" isn't used in the SM. What is
he talking about here? What does this term mean?


the Level One Model introduces some new types
of symmetries associated with observational frames, particle mass and
particle velocity. In the conventional physics model, the inaccessible
dimensions are tightly balled up at each point of normal space

Is he talking about String Theory here? Or what?


while,
in the Level One Model, the higher dimensions are inaccessible to the
physical sensory systems, or to present-day instrumentation,


If the extra dimensions weren't "curled up", then electrostatic forces
wouldn't fall off with 1/r^2, for example. How could this law be
explained by "the higher dimensions are inaccesible to the physical
sensory systems, or to present-day instrumentation"?


by virtue
of the requirement that passage through the inversion mirror at the
light barrier (v=c) is a prerequisite for observation in these
dimensions.

Sorry, sounds like gibberish to me. What on earth is this supposed to
mean???
What "inversion mirror" is he talking about? Why should passage through
this mirror (whatever this is supposed to mean) be necessary for
observation in these dimensions? What does he even mean by "observation
in these dimensions"? And so on...


For example, accessing information in this conjugate
four-space

What does he mean by "conjugate four-space"?


requires the sensory capacity to discriminate and interpret
wave number-type of information.

More gibberish.


It seems as if nature is imprinting
more information into the four-space medium via a process akin to
multiplexing wherein one sensory system reads direct 4-D signals while
another (not yet fully developed in mos t of us) reads the inverse 4-D
signals. Still another aspect of human sensory system capability is
thought to allow access to information imprinted at the still higher
dimensional levels.

Even more gibberish.

Lots of buzz words which he doesn't bother to define (or does he define
them at another point of his web site?).


With the conventional physics model, empty space is implicitly the
vacuum

Wrong. In conventional elementary physics (Quantum Field Theory), the
"vacuum" is the state of the lowest energy. That isn't necessarily empty
space.


and space is a continuum while the vacuum is considered by many
to be a negative energy sea of virtual (mathematically imaginary)
particles.

Vaguely right. That was Dirac's picture, but effectively, this is long
outdated.

And saying that virtual particles are "mathematically imaginary" is
simply nonsense.


The Level One Model see space as a granular ordered network
with the vacuum having a variety of substructures and negative energy
bands filled with both negative mass (mathematically real) particles
as well as virtual particles.

What predictions does this model make which are different from the
predictions of standard QFT?


The conventional physical level physics model sees magnetic effects as
only coming from the rotational aspects of electric charge

Absolutely wrong. Magnetic effects come not only from rotating electric
charge - a simple movement along a straight line works equally well.
Additionally, magnetic moments come also from spin - and associating
spin with rotation doesn't make much sense.


while the
Level One Model also utilizes real monopole magnetic charges

Well, then why haven't any magnetic monopoles been found so far, also
lots of extensive searches were done for them?


but
operating in a normally inaccessible domain (v c) for our standard
physical sensory system.

If particles travel with v c through space (so-called tachyons), they
should give off Cerenkov radiation. This has never been observed.


The SU(2) versus the U(1) gauge differences
between magnetic and electric charge in the conventional picture
appear to be relevant here and may soften differences between the two
approaches on this issue.

Pardon? I don't understand what he tries to say here.


In the conventional physics model, wave-particle duality was a
surprising observation that became a cornerstone of quantum mechanics.
In the dual four-space construct of the Level One Model, it springs
naturally from the inversion relationship between the two spaces.

If he says so.


Other individuals have proposed and studied conjugate four-space
systems, but the Level One arrangement of an 8-space comprised of two
conjugate 4-spaces (inverses of each other) seems not to have been
considered to date.

What on earth is this supposed to mean? How can spaces be inverses of
each other?


Finally, in the conventional physics model, although consciousness is
tacitly allowed as a factor involved in the collapse of a wave
function,

Pardon? I have never heard any physicist say that consciousness is a
factor involved in the collapse of a wave function.


there appears to be little room for robust mind action or
applied human intention.

Well, your mind can use your body if it wants to do something.


However, in the Level One Model, this factor
is central to the flow of events in human experience and is easily
accommodated. In fact, the whole purpose of the simulator is the human
learning of applied intentionality and applied love in the evolution
of self towards higher states of s tructural organization and
consciousness.

New age gibberish.


It is information waves,

What's that?


the "stuff" of consciousness, that propagate
along the nodal networks

What's that?


placing potential maps

And that?


on the vast array of nodal points

And that?


of three different size scales and types.

Pardon?


These nodal
points translate the information waves into transmitted energy
patterns of communicator/mediator particles for interacting with the
various particles of substance, physical and subtle. "

Gibberish.


see http://tillerfoundation.com/science.html for all the mathematics

There is *very* little math there, but lots of more gibberish. He
doesn't define his terms anywhere on that page - apparently he thinks
they are self-explanatory or what? He doesn't present a scientific model
or theory
- he presents lots of speculation, wild guesses and vivid imagination.

The fact that he publishes his stuff in a book instead of in the
peer-reviewed scientific literature should alone tell you a lot...


Bye,
Bjoern