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Bill Hobba wrote:
cinquirer wrote:
I have extensive experiences with Qi numbering over a decade with
thousands of subjects and Qi healers from all over the world.
After months looking in physics group and internet for the atomic
model that can explain the physics of Qi and non_local effects.
I have encountered numerous models that attempt to describe it.
But it always falls short of the complete answer. Maybe the
truth is a combination of them. Maybe someone among you can make
sense what it is by the following short description of what
Qi can do (in the next paragraph). There are many physics wizards
here and one may figure out whether we are dealing with a Fifth
Force or a Qi Boson, etc. Note Qi is not biology or physics but
Bio-particle-physics that may even use substructure of the
Superstrings and beyond. Whatever Qi ultimately is. It is not a
misunderstanding of ordinary phenomenon (as explained below).

World renowned Tai Ch and Qi expert Earle Montague (who is the teacher of my
Tai Chi teacher) believes there is noting at all mysterious about Qi - it is
fully explainable in terms of standard ideas - nothing new is required. In
fact he has yet to find any Qi effects that are not simply explained. Also
after undergoing 5 years of accounted by a highly trained and very
experienced Chinese acupuncturist, and having discussed Qi at length with
her, the idea of Qi is simply 'breath' which is just a simple model for
complex things going on in the body. It is now well known, for example,
(and the person who discovered this received a Nobel Prize), that
acupuncture works by blocking and opening gates in the body.

My brother's instructor Rick _____, who teaches mainly JKD, and Filipino
and Indonesian style fighting, has schools in the U.S. and Japan, has
trained Canadian Mounties [snip exhaustive resume], has been searching all
his life for special chi powers and secret techniques. He traveled to the
Phillipines once to find out a secret technique was something like a
high-low-low combination instead of a high-low-high combination -- not
much of a shocker there. He's met a lot of people that claimed to know
the mystical death touch, although they haven't killed anyone with it.
And he's met a lot of people that have claimed chi powers, but it didn't
help them do a pullup, didn't put anything special behind a punch that
body mechanics doesn't put into it, etc. He hasn't given up on it yet.

--
"Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, then perhaps we shall find the
truth... But let us beware of publishing our dreams before they have been
put to the proof by the waking understanding." -- Friedrich August Kekulé

The following is one such experiment. I'll continue my comments
further below after sharing it (it's from Glen Rein Quantum Biology)


HEALING EXPERIMENTS WITH LEONARD LASKOW

A). Experimental Protocol
B). Healing States of Consciousness
C). Experimental Results on Tumor Cells
D). The Role of Thought, Image and Intent
E). Experimental Results with Water
F). Magnetic Field Emission from Laskow's Hands
G). Modulating Laskow's Magnetic Field with non-Hertzian Energy

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A). Experimental Protocol

Based on these studies, it was of interest to explore the role of the
consciousness in the holoenergetic healing process and to correlate
different mental content (imagery, intent and thought) with biological
effects in tissue culture. In order to help verify the hypothesis that
the effects are target specific, a third biological endpoint was
chosen. The growth of tumor cells in culture was chosen because it
could be monitored quantitatively using state of the art biochemical
techniques and was highly relev ant clinically. The protocol involved
measuring DNA synthesis by quantitating ifs incorporation of
radioactive thymidine. The rate of cell proliferation was then
determined relative to the total number of cells which were counted in
a hemocytometer. Leonard Laskow shifted into a specific state of
consciousness and mentally and energetically focused on three petri
dishes held in the palm of his hand. Another aliquot of cells from the
same stock bottle was being held simultaneo usly by a non-healer in an
adjac ent room. The non-healer was reading a book to minimize the
interaction of his consciousness on the cells. Both sets of petri
dishes (n=6) were brought back to the tissue culture hood where they
were labelled (blindly) and scrambled. The author then labelled the
cells with radioactive thymidine and processed them after 24 hrs
growth to measuring cell proliferation. The same exact protocol was
also followed in another parallel set of experiments done with
distilled water contained in a plastic lid-seal ed tes t tube, instead
of cells in a petd dish. This water, as well as control water, was
then used to make statard tissue culture medium which was then added
to the cells at the beginning of the 24 hr. growth period.

B). Healing States of Consciousness

Laskow explored five different mental intentions some of which are an
integral part of the holoenergetic healing process. He describes an
overall loving state that was maintained throughout all the
experiments, which allowed him to be in resonance with the tumour
cells. The technique for attaining this nonordinary state is a form of
meditation which allows intentional focusing and cohering of energy.
Laskow refers to these intentions as different contents of
consciousness. He distinguishes the intentions as : 1) returning to
the natural order and harmony of the cell's normal rate of growth, 2)
circulating the microcosmic orbit, 3) letting God's will flow through
these hands, 4) unconditional love and 5) dematerialization.

Laskow describes the psychoenergetic state of consciousness as
follows: I shifted to a 'transpersonal healing state' of consciousness
by using a balancing breath which balanced and cohered both
hemispheres of my brain followed by aligning, centering, and
energizing techniques. These processes produce, for me, a loving state
which allowed my mind to come into resonance with the tumor cells as 1
focused on them. While in this transpersonal loving state I varied the
content of my consciousness to specifically evaluate the differential
influence of changes in mental content on tumor cell growth. We
evaluated five different intentions while I was holding petri dishes
containing tumor cells in my hands for each of the mental intentions".

"We were interested in varying what 1 was intending in my mind for
these tumor cells. The first intent was the focused instruction that
the tumor cells return to the natural order and harmony of their
normal cell line. By normal I meant that the cells should grow at a\0
normal rate, rather than their present accelerated tumor cell rate.
Another intention was let God's will flow through my hands, so (in
this case) there wasn't a specific direction given. Unconditional love
was giving no direction at all. When I do healing work, 1 shift into
an unconditionally loving transpersonal state. While in that general
loving state, superimposed unconditional loving intent without giving
specific direction to the energy".

"I had two forms of dematerialization, one was dematerialized into the
light and the other one was dematerialized into the void. I wanted to
see whether there was a 'reluctance' on the part of the cells to go
into the unknown. Or is it better to give them a direction into the
light. Obviously, this has import for people who are doing healing
work in terms of giving direction to tumor cells and energy forms that
you want to release. Is it easier to release them giving them a
direction or releasing them into their potential, but without the
light.

C). Experimental Results on Tumor Cells

The results indicate that the different contents of consciousness
could be distinguished in terms of their biological responses. Of the
different intentions studied, only three showed a significant effect
on inhibiting the growth of the tumor cells. The most effective
intention we tried with tumor cell cultures was returned to the
natural order and harmony of the normal cell line" (39% inhibition).
Allowing God's will to manifest appeared to be only half as effective
(21 % inhibition). Under the same experi mental conditions,
unconditional love neither stimulated or inhibited cell growth. Its
effect was neutral and seemingly accepting of the present condition.
These results have important implications for healers.

The results suggest that certain healing states and contents of
consciousness are more effective than others. As mentioned above,
however, we do not know to what extent these effects are target
specific. It is possible that other intentions would have been
effective if other biological endpoints were chosen. For example,
treating the tissue culture medium with microcosmic orbit (41 %
inhibition) was equally as effective as treating it with returning the
the natural order, although the two focuses of conscio usness were
significantly different when treating the tumor cells directly.
Alternatively, the content and states of consciousness that were
effective in this experiment for Laskow, may not have been optimal for
another healer treating the same tumor cells. Thus the results may be
healer specific. These questions, however, are amenable to study using
cultured cells in the protocol followed in this study. Future studies
will in fact compare different sta tes of consciousness with different
biological experime nts, albeit with one healer, Leonard Laskow.

D).The Role of Thought, Image and Intent

In these experiments we were interested in further defining the
specific contents of consciousness in order to determine the relative
role of non-focused thought and image as distinct from intention.
These experiments were done by changing the thought and image content
of a given state of consciousness and determining what the
corresponding effect on the growth of the tumor cells would be. The
results indicated that different biological effects could be observed
by just changing the intent or the imagery as sociated with the
healing process but nonfocused thought had no effect. Thus, while
Laskow was in the microcosmic orbit state of consciousness, the mental
image of visualizing only three cells remaining in the petri dish
after the experiment caused an 18% inhibition of cell growth. On the
other hand, switching the mental image to one where many more cells
were visualized in the dish resulted in an increased growth of tumor
cells (15%). The results are remarkable since not only could a
different biological r esponse be observed by changing the mental
image, but an actual reversal of the biological process of cell growth
was achieved.

We were then interested in determining to what extent intention, as a
focused mental thought, might contribute to the healing response. This
was achieved by Laskow intending and instructing the cells to "return
to their normal order and rate of growth", while holding no visual
image, thus separating intent from imagery. This experiment can be
directly compared with the previous one, since the microcosmic orbit
state of consciousness was maintained throughout and the previous
experiment involved no conscious ly focused intent. We found that
focused intent for the cells to return to the natural order of their
normal growth rate produced the same inhibitory biological response
(20% inhibition) as did imagery alone.

When we included the intention for the cells to return to the natural
order of the normal cell line together with the imagery of reduced
growth, the inhibitory effect was doubled to 40%. These results
suggest that imagery and intent each contributed equally in inhibiting
the growth of tumor cells in culture.

E). Experimental Results with Water

Since previous studies indicated that healers could influence the
physical/chemical properties of water (Dean, 1975) and that this
energetically charged water could then influence biological systems
(Grad, 1965), we were interested in confirming these experiments using
the above protocol. Specifically, we wanted to determine whether there
were differences in the energetic patterns associated with different
states and contents of consciousness and whether these patterns could
be transferred to water. If the energetic patterns could be detected
in water using absorption spectroscopy, it might indicate that
specific spectral patterns are associated with different states and
contents of consciousness. The rational for this hypothesis is based
on the reported ability of healers to change the spectral patterns of
water (Schwartz, 199 1). Preliminary experiments with Laskow,
indicated he could non-specifically alter the Raman spetra of water
charged holoenergetically (Gough). In our approach to this question,
we st udied whether changing the content of consciousness, while in a
nonordinary state, could be used to alter tumor cell growth when
tissue culture medium was treated psychoenergetically.

The results indicated that water was in fact capable of storing and
transferring the information associated with different contents of
consciousness to the tumor cells. Thus water treated with the
intention to return the cells to their natural order and harmony
resulted in a 28% inhibition of cell growth, quite similar to that
obtained when the cells were treated directly. Even more surprising,
however, was the fact that two other focuses which were ineffective
when the cells were treated directly, were eff ective when the water
was treated. Thus unconditional love caused a 21% inhibition of growth
and dematerialization caused a 27% inhibition. These results suggest
that the efficacy of different focuses of consciousness depends on the
target being healed. The data also suggest that water may be a more
universal target. It is possible that pure water is more capable of
picking up certain types of energy and information than cells. It
other situations, with differe nt environmental energy influences
present, wat er may not store or release information. The practical
application of this observation is that healers can give their clients
water o drink which had been previously charged with their healing
energy. This may also be the basis for blessing food and wine.

In conclusion, the summary of the biological experiments presented in
this article indicate that 1) non-Hertzian fields can in fact have
marked effects directly on biological systems, independent of the
belief system of the individual (cinquirer note: the term
"non-Hertzian was acquired from Tesla to refer to unconvensional
energy as Rein explained earlier), 2) water is a key mediator in this
response and 3) the nature of this interaction is quantitatively and
qualitatively different from that occuring with conventional EM
fields. If EM fields are just derivates of non-Hertzian fields and the
latter can interact with matter at the nuclear level (rather than the
electron shell), non-Hertzian fields have the potential to effect
biological systems at a very profound level indeed and should
constitute a key role in energy medicine of the future.

F). Magnetic Field Emission from Laskow's Hands

The previous results indicate that quantum information which is
associated with specific intentions and images can manifest in our 4-D
reality as patterns. In these studies, the patterns manifested as
different brain wave spectra during the healing state (Cade, 1979;
Tart, 1969) and spectrographic changes in water (Schwartz, 199 1)
which had been charged psychoenergetically. To further study the
correlation between these energetic patterns and the different states
and contents of consciousness associated wi th holoenergetic healing,
temporal patterns of the magnetic fields emitted from Laskow's hands
during holoenergetic healing were measured.

The magnetic fields were measured using a flux-gate magnetometer
sensitive from D.C. to 500 Hz. Laskow cuped his hand over the probe
but did not touch it. The chart recordings begin on the right and end
on the left side of the tracing. Non-healers were unable to influence
magnetometer readings. Touchin or moving the probe gave
characteristic, sharp patterns which were readily distinguishable from
energetic patterns.

An initial and critical part of the holoenergetic healing process is
opening the crown chakra. The magnetic field pattern generated when
Laskow opened his crown chakra was recorded. It appeared distinctly
different from other patterns obtained in that it had a very sharp
onset, an equally sharp dissipation and only lasted eight seconds.
This result implies that the event was short-lived and caused a shift
in the magnetic field pattern only during its duration. The return to
normal baseline was characteristi c of patterns produced by other
states of consciousness when Laskow consciously chose to shift into
another state or end the particular experiment.

It is interesting to note that in some tracings the energetic pattern
shifts down, implying a decrease in the magnetic field strength in the
environment around Laskow's hands. This unusual response could be due
to the generation of a non-Hertzian field from Laskow's hands which
cancels a part the background magnetic field causing its diminution.

Since we had observed that only certain contents of consciousness
resulted in magnetic field patterns which were different from an
ordinary state of mind. it was of interest to compare the patterns
from two states which gave different biological responses measured as
an inhibition of tumor cell growth. We therefore compared the magnetic
pattern obtained when Laskow was in an unconditional loving state and
in the return to natural order state. The results indicates that
indeed these magnetic patterns were di fferent from each other.
Compared to the robust effect with the natural order state, the
unconditional loving state produced a weak, non-specific pattern. The
important point however is that there is a correlation between the
magnetic patterns and the biological effects produced by these states
of consciousness, since the unconditional love state did produce a
biological response. This may be due to the lack of a specific image
or intention (critical contents of consci ousness demonstrated above)
associated with the unconditional love state which could be thought of
as a universal carrier of subtle energetic information. The carrier by
itself, without modulation, does not appear to influence the tumor
cells, almost as if they were in unconditional acceptance of the
situation.

In general these patterns were obtained most consistently when Laskow
was allowed to generate the different states and contents of
consciousness spontaneosly, rather than being told a given sequence.
One of the most interesting spontaneous magnetic field patterns was
obtained when Laskow inwardly asked that Spirit flow through him. He
asked Spirit to demonstrate its presence to science with a
characteristic signature pattern. The tracing obtained gave a uniquely
different pattern from the other patterns obt ained and was
characterized by sharp, frequent peaks in the negative direction.

G). Modulating Laskow's Magnetic Field with non-Hertzian Energy

Since it is not possible at this point to measure the subtle energy
emited from the body during psychoenergetic healing, it is difficult
to test the hypothesis that this energy is non-Hertzian in nature.
Since the magnetic field en-dssion pattern seems to be a measurable
manifestation of psychoenergetic healing, we postulated that
non-Hertzian fields might modulate the magnetic patterns. This is a
novel experimental approach which has not been previously tested. We
used the scalar shielding device (discusse d above) to test our
hypothesis. The shielding device was placed in Laskow's energy field
during one experimental sesssion. The tracing obtained indicates that
prior to addition of the device, the magnetic pattern was repetitive
containing numerous sharp, small positive peaks. Upon addition of the
shielding device, the magnetic field pattern was substantially
altered. The new pattern was qualitatively similar in shape but
gradually increased in overall magnitude. T hese results suggest that
non-Hertzian quan tum fields enhanced the magnetic field emitted from
Laskow's hands during holoenergetic healing.

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Back to cinquirer...

Note: There are plenty of experiments done elsewhere. I'll look for
them (esp. the double blind). I didn't collect them because my focus is
to understand the physics of Qi and not to convince people. But I'll look
for them and post today or tomorrow. Note also that some healers don't
even know how it works. They don't know how to focus color Qi and their
combinations for different effects. The scientists are equally
mystified, they thought only the healers can do it. If scientists
would learn to emit the Qi themselves and especially the different
vibrations. They can affect their own specimen. In the Philippines, I
can say our Pranic Institute is the pioneer in sharing incredible
minute detail of how the Qi emission must be done, etc. Healing gurus
from India have to come all the way here to learn the technical details.
A challenge. If anyone has a good test equipment that can detect for
micro changes in test specimen. I or my friend (the one who did the
experiment with the japanese water expert) can emit the Qi to any part
on the planet, United States or Russia or Middle East. The reason we
can emit the Qi to any part of the planet is because Qi is some kinda of
field that travel in information space and our intent couple with the Qi
energy is what can alter the function of the test specimen. This is done
in other countries but I'm not fully aware of the experiments because I
don't travel abroad, only those full time Qi healers. I'm a
businessman and just want to understand the physics of Qi. Once I
understood. I'll forget the whole Qi thing fully aware in the
background of my mind what they are and I'll focus full time on
stem cell research (which has the best business potential in the
coming genetic revolution).

I'll answer each of your other inquiries later including Conforto's
stuff, etc.

c



Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote in message ...
cinquirer, it would be nice if you would answer some question simply
instead of responding to every post with a long sermon, in which you
basically say always exactly the same things you've said already 20
times before... You quoted my whole post below, so I marked all the
places where you didn't answer a question with a simple "Hello?", and
add some further comments. Care to answer these questions now?

"Double Blind Method" was used in at least one of the Qi experiments.

It is mentioned on Page 391, the second paragraph - "A double blind
method was adopted for the experiment....."

Best Qi,
Yuan


cinquirer wrote:
Mark, Tadchem, Bjoern,

I don't know how to explain Qi in physics.. as its physics
is not yet discovered. It's like explaining blood in the
16th century. People know it existed but only 20th century
science can explain it. Likewise with Qi. Only 22th century
physics may explain it (although many scientists have tried.
And I'm seeking alternative theories and especially want to
understand how you can fit it all in the Standard Model or
enhanced one. Now what is Qi. Well. I have discussed this at
length in the newsgroup alt.sci.physics.new.theories spanning
over months where every theory by different scientists are put
forward (such as Glen Rein, Dr. Hunt, Barbara Brennan, and
dozens of others). See what they say by searching "cinquirer"
in
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...s.new-theories

Let's just focus on the experiments here. Know someone who
can setup the proper instrument with utmost sensitivity that
can test reaction time in enzyme activities, cells, etc. even
water molecules. You can change their parameters by
simply emitting Qi to it from your hands. Dr. Tiller has done
this and his experiments can be repeated by others and I'm
awaiting details of it in his book. See www.tiller.org The
organization Subtle Energy Research has also many scientists
working on it.
see
http://www.issseem.org/journal.html

I'm still awaiting their full materials and so one
can get more references and facts by going directly to those
organization. There are also many references elsewhere and
I'd search for them again as I've lost track of them (but I
will look for them again including double blind studies (this
can increase exponentially if scientists would only be open
minded but unfortunately majority don't even consider its
possibility making any tests so how can they confirm it is not
real with even any test)..

I deal with Qi extensively. This is because I live in the same
country as the founder of Pranic (Qi) Healing which has branches
in almost all countries and thousands of practioners including
many doctors worldwide. I am categorical of the existence
of Qi and its non_local effects from extensive hands on and
I'd give $1 million dollar to anyone who can debunk it.. lol...
The following is a manual we use in pranic or qi healing. In
there is shared the different vibrations of Qi (corresponding
to "colors" and how different cells, tissues and their states
(such as disease, health) can give different vibrations and
how we directly manipulate it. Tests have shown how they
can affect cells and controlling its behaviors.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...oks&vi=reviews

(read this editorial comments for some intro about the different
vibrations of qi as someone inquired and a doctor experience
on it, as well as thousands of others. Different books by different
authors also document it. It just so happen I know the group very
well)

Right now. I want to focus in understanding the physics of
Qi even if Superstrings or other theories (which may be
connected to it) is not yet perfected. I just want to have a
rough idea of what Qi is. Normally qi healers don't care
what it is. So I can't discuss physics with them. So
physicists who are open minded or even have experience
with Qi are the best ones to discuss with to make sense
of whether Qi is a fifth force or part of material not yet
understood by science. I don't know if it interacts with
individual atom or larger unit such as cell in a long range
kind of interaction. Glen Rein and others are inquiring
about this too (see his book Quantum Biology). That's
why I research the stuff of Guliano Conforto in her book
as I want to understand whether single atoms or bigger
unit such as cells that make functioning part that involves
consciousness is what interacted with Qi. To understand
the physics of Qi. It is important to know first if they
are just misunderstood ordinary phenomenon such as
ATP cell fuel process, etc. But they are not. They seem
to be connected to a subtle part of matter. If we would
say, are they virtual particles. We may collide with the
physicists definition of them that is already understood.
So let me avoid any scientific linking and just use the
generic term Qi. And not speculate whether they may
be shadow symmetrical particles or anti/mirror particles,
etc. as I did in the past few messages. They are just
hypothesis of what Qi may be based on, and the truth
may be altogether different and more complex than them.

c



Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote in message ...
cinquirer wrote:

(Below after the text are many references such as research web
sites, experimental proofs, etc.).

I have extensive experiences with Qi numbering over a decade with
thousands of subjects and Qi healers from all over the world.

Any double-blind tests?


After months looking in physics group and internet for the atomic
model that can explain the physics of Qi and non_local effects.
I have encountered numerous models that attempt to describe it.

Mostly from crackpots, apparently.


But it always falls short of the complete answer. Maybe the
truth is a combination of them. Maybe someone among you can make
sense what it is by the following short description of what
Qi can do (in the next paragraph). There are many physics wizards
here and one may figure out whether we are dealing with a Fifth
Force or a Qi Boson, etc.

Or with imagination.


Note Qi is not biology or physics but
Bio-particle-physics that may even use substructure of the
Superstrings and beyond.

How do you know?


Whatever Qi ultimately is. It is not a
misunderstanding of ordinary phenomenon (as explained below).

Let's say for now that each atom or cell of our body needs Qi
(or Life Force that is as real as photons).

Atom or cell? Why not something in between?

And why should we say this?

And what is "life force"? How can we measure it?


Without Qi, our cells can't function optimally.
It's as if the ATP cell fuel needs Qi
in one of its reactions.

Well, we understand the ATP reactions quite well, so I don't know where
Qi would be needed there.


Qi is not oxygen nor glucose but seems
to be an extention or working part of matter itself.

"seems to be"? Which experiments suggest this?


It's as if the
antiparticle of every particle of our body has a virtual energy state
that can tell the integrity of the physical body or perhaps an
anti-mirror energy particle?

Sorry, I don't understand what you try to say here.


One very vital application of Qi is
in Qi therapy. When we have diseases like infections in our body,
the Qi in the affected part has grosser vibration.

What vibrates there?

And how do you know that the Qi in the affected part has grosser
vibration?


This can affect the nearby cells

How? And where is the evidence that this happens?


and slow down the healing since the biochemical
structure is intimately interactive with Qi.

Evidence?


So what we do is
clean the dirty Qi and replace with fresh ones.

How?


The patient gets
dramatic relief much faster than without Qi treatment because the
biochemical reactions can be affected by Qi.

Ever heard of the placebo effect?

Ever done any double-blind tests?


And this is enough to
prevent amputations like in gangrene infections where the Qi treatment
can make it subside very fast. This works in all infections too where
Qi therapy can prevent fatal infections, etc. as well as accelerate the
healing.

Sounds like placebo effect to me: if the patients feels that he is cared
for, and beliefs that the treatment helps, it *does* help.


This is entirely ignored in the medical field

Well, maybe because they are no double-blind studies which demonstrate
its effectiveness? (if there are such studies, please point them out to
me)


and the next
step in medicine breakthrough is to study this Qi interaction with
the biochemical pathway and their balancing.

Qi is non_local too.

How do you know?


It's as if the anti-mirror part of each
particle is located in a higher spacetime where distance
doesn't matter.

New age gibberish.


We can treat the qi of people even miles away.

Evidence from double-blind studies for this, please.


What we do is we tap into the information space

What's this?


and make intent to remove the diseased qi of the patient
to faciliate faster healing and this altering in the information
space is reflected in real time in the body of the patient.

This does work only if the patient knows that you are "working" on his
Qi, I bet.


Parallel to the concept of qi is the Bioetheric body or
what Dr. Tiller called Conjugate Body. The Bioetheric
body (excuse the term as there is no exact term yet)
is simply the energy extension (its anti mirror particle?)
of the particles in our body.

What does "energy extension" mean?


And Qi is what powers it
or maintain its organization and interconnected.

How do you know?


Does anyone knows of any atomic model that includes
a constant interchange of virtual particles with the space.

Exchange of particle with the space? Huh? What is this supposed to mean?


Maybe Qi is the force carrier of the Higgs Field that
relay the Higgs bosons to the particles??

Huh? What do you mean by "relaying" here?

And why do you think that Qi has anything to do with Higgs bosons?


Or something along that line? Any theory.

First please present double-blind tests which show the existence of Qi.


The following is an experiment where organization of water
can be affected at a distance, even countries apart. One
of the Qi emitter is someone I know so we can repeat the
experiments if you have a sensitive measuring device or
sorta.

http://www.aiis.com.au/AIIS%20Subweb/news.htm

The experiment described there doesn't sound double-blind to me, and
isn't statistically significant (one trial only, apparently!).


The following is the website of Dr. Tiller who has done extensive
research and has setup experiments (reproducable) that can make
you change the enzyme activies at will by simply using intent and/or
qi coupling. His theory is a bit complicated and I'm seeking other
alternative one from amongst you.

http://tillerfoundation.com/science.html

Are his experiments double-blind? I bet, no.


The following are some general references about Qi and research centers.

http://www.islandnet.com/~global/pranic.html

http://www.issseem.org/journal.html

Any double-blind studies there?


Read again the China Qi experiment as we can produce the
same changes in matter as done in other experiments.

http://www.accessv.com/~yuan/yansci/...Qigong_JSE.pdf

Quickly scanning the article, it seems that lots of high-tech equipment
was used, but not one single double-blind test was done. If I am wrong
on this, please correct me.


Some worldwide directory where I corresponded with the thousands.

http://www.pranichealing.org/directory/usa.htm

http://www.pranichealing.org/links.htm

Any double-blind studies there?


Bye,
Bjoern

Of course there are many ignorant people in the mountains in
the Philippines who don't know science and attributing some basic
functions to Qi when they are just for example metabolic process
or even breathing. About the chinese Tai Chi and Acupuncture
expert where she attribute Qi or Chi to normal functions like breath.
Well. When one breath in air, vitality globules that store this
energy Qi is clairvoyantly observed to go inside the lungs as well
as the chakra vortex in the hands, spleen and other parts of the
body. This is what makes them think Qi has to do with Breath.
Let them come here and I'll emit very dense Qi to their head area
and they would immediately experience headache or migrane.
And let them explain how it is merely breath. Gee. Well. Some
patients have very dense or gross Qi in their head area and the
origin of their migrane (although of course this has other causes
and we can know if its Qi related by "looking" if there is dense Qi
in the head area) and removing them by flicking to a basin of
salt water, can bring the nerves to normal and removing the migrane.

c

(Gregory L. Hansen) wrote in message ...
In article ,
Bill Hobba wrote:
cinquirer wrote:
I have extensive experiences with Qi numbering over a decade with
thousands of subjects and Qi healers from all over the world.
After months looking in physics group and internet for the atomic
model that can explain the physics of Qi and non_local effects.
I have encountered numerous models that attempt to describe it.
But it always falls short of the complete answer. Maybe the
truth is a combination of them. Maybe someone among you can make
sense what it is by the following short description of what
Qi can do (in the next paragraph). There are many physics wizards
here and one may figure out whether we are dealing with a Fifth
Force or a Qi Boson, etc. Note Qi is not biology or physics but
Bio-particle-physics that may even use substructure of the
Superstrings and beyond. Whatever Qi ultimately is. It is not a
misunderstanding of ordinary phenomenon (as explained below).

World renowned Tai Ch and Qi expert Earle Montague (who is the teacher of my
Tai Chi teacher) believes there is noting at all mysterious about Qi - it is
fully explainable in terms of standard ideas - nothing new is required. In
fact he has yet to find any Qi effects that are not simply explained. Also
after undergoing 5 years of accounted by a highly trained and very
experienced Chinese acupuncturist, and having discussed Qi at length with
her, the idea of Qi is simply 'breath' which is just a simple model for
complex things going on in the body. It is now well known, for example,
(and the person who discovered this received a Nobel Prize), that
acupuncture works by blocking and opening gates in the body.

My brother's instructor Rick _____, who teaches mainly JKD, and Filipino
and Indonesian style fighting, has schools in the U.S. and Japan, has
trained Canadian Mounties [snip exhaustive resume], has been searching all
his life for special chi powers and secret techniques. He traveled to the
Phillipines once to find out a secret technique was something like a
high-low-low combination instead of a high-low-high combination -- not
much of a shocker there. He's met a lot of people that claimed to know
the mystical death touch, although they haven't killed anyone with it.
And he's met a lot of people that have claimed chi powers, but it didn't
help them do a pullup, didn't put anything special behind a punch that
body mechanics doesn't put into it, etc. He hasn't given up on it yet.

"cinquirer" wrote in message
om...
energy Qi is clairvoyantly observed to go inside the lungs as well
as the chakra vortex in the hands, spleen and other parts of the
body.

Some
patients have very dense or gross Qi in their head area and the
origin of their migrane (although of course this has other causes
and we can know if its Qi related by "looking" if there is dense Qi
in the head area)

I have clairvoyantly "looked" into cinquirer's cerebral area, and can
clearly see very dense gross Bull Qit. Pardon me if I've
spelled that wrong.

In sci.physics.particle Bill Hobba wrote:

: It is now well known, for example,
: (and the person who discovered this received a Nobel Prize),

Does this person have a name?

: that acupuncture works by blocking and opening gates in the body.

What is actually now well known about acupuncture is that it does not work.


-----
Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."

To discuss fully about Qi. We need to take into account another
equally strange idea, that of bioetheric body or bioplasmic
body. What is a bioplasmic or bioetheric body?? It's related to
Qi because it is the part of our body where it interacts with Qi.
I've once asked whether the bioetheric body is just the mapping
of the biological body ATP cell fuel process, etc. So I and other Qi
healers investigate those with amputated legs. We found out that
their missing legs bioetheric matter slowly dissipate and after
a year, it is no longer there. Upon amputation, the bioetheric
foot outline is still there, then it slowly disintegrate. With
this observation, we can say that it is not the body cell fuel mapping,
because with the absence of flesh, it is still connected to the
entire bioetheric body like some kind of hologram.

Now in my other investigations. I looked into inanimate matter with
a group of seers. Inanimate matter doesn't have a bioetheric body
but just some kind of energy. With living matter, the energy is
so dynamic. As if Qi is related to consciousness... as if Qi is
some kind of "conscious energy".

When a person doesn't sleep for days, the bioetheric body can't
absorb Qi. I guess the primary function of sleep is for
the bioetheric body to re-structure its energy web. If consciousness
or awareness or being alive constantly uses the bioetheric body,
it can't re-structure itself and has difficulting absorbing Qi.
This resulting in weaknesses in the body with decreased immune
function so the main purpose of sleep may be related to this
bioetheric and Qi thing. In the latest Scientific American Nov.
Edition. It discusses at length about sleeping and it can't find
the reason why we sleep even though it investigates so many
facts, like our unconscious function or cellular function dependent
on it. At the end, it is quoted as saying, "As we further study
the mechanisms and evolution of sleep, we will probably gain
insights into exactly what is repaired and rested, why these
processes are best done in sleep". My answer is that of the above.
Note this sleeping connection is only a theory I believe, and it
may be wrong, and it no way remove the existence of the bioetheric
body.

So what is the bioetheric body. Maybe some kind of informational
field that informs living system, and Qi being some kind of
power that maintain the energy matrix of the information field??
What is the function of this information field. This was what
I've asked myself. Does morphogenesis or the growth of the body
shape of an embryo depend on genetic or cellular signaling or
does it needs the field. Suppose it doesn't need the field, then
the purpose of the bioetheric field is to conduct consciousness,
so the mystery lies in what is consciousness. Is it merely the
firing of neurons that create consciousness. In part, one can
say yes. When you decrease some neurotransmitters, the person
can get depressed, so it can act on consciousness, but does the
entire brain creates consciousness itself. Or does conciousness
or being biologically alive (be it rats or humans) depend on some
kind of fields. This is the clue where the determination of what
is the bioetheric body and its qi requirement lies. The
investigation goes on. I'm also studying the real nature of matter
(thru particle physics) like how does the bioetheric body get
interfaced to the atoms of the body.

c

Mark Fergerson wrote in message ...
cinquirer wrote:
Mark, Tadchem, Bjoern,


I don't know how to explain Qi in physics.. as its physics
is not yet discovered. It's like explaining blood in the
16th century. People know it existed but only 20th century
science can explain it. Likewise with Qi. Only 22th century
physics may explain it (although many scientists have tried.

It may also be like explaining Phlogiston, which was
poorly understood until it was shown to be nonexistent. That
didn't happen until effects attributed to it were properly
identified as being due to other specifiable causes. You say
you've observed effects which you attribute to Qi; how do
you _know_ they're not attributable to other, more mundane,
causes? Until you answer that, you'll elicit little positive
interest. If you say that you don't know how, you'll get
grief as being lazy, since double-blind technique is not
complex, just tedious. Until you positively eliminate known
physics in explaining your observations, why should we (or
you, for that matter) not believe you're merely fooling
yourself?

large snip; apocryphal until the above is done

Right now. I want to focus in understanding the physics of
Qi... . I just want to have a
rough idea of what Qi is.

Then reproducibly determine its properties, and
rigorously separate them from known physics. Make hypotheses
based on what properties you see (derive sets of rules) that
explain those properties _and_ predict other evidence you
haven't looked for yet (frinst time of propagation, untested
subjects/materials etc.), then _test_ those new predictions,
and repeat until you eliminate all hypotheses but one.
That's how theories come to be.

BTW I insist that you show rigorously how Qi is outside
the Standard Model because you insist that "living matter"
(which you haven't defined) shows Qi effects in a way the SM
doesn't account for. So, show me the border.

(Oh, and don't go directly to exotic supersymmetry stuff
when I say "Standard Model"; first eliminate mundane
mechanics, electromagnetism, thermodynamics, and chemistry.)

If you think the border will be fuzzy (that Qi can affect
"dead" matter too), then you need to predict how fuzzy it
is, and exactly where the overlap is, which will integrate
your eventual theory of Qi and the SM.

If you do find some unaccounted-for facts, at some point
you'll need to construct a mathematical framework for your
(proven) rules, and if some correlation is seen between that
and the math underlying the SM, there's hope of
incorporating both into a larger whole. But don't put your
faith in math exclusively; the "beauty" of a mathematical
structure is no clear indicator of its relationship to reality.

Mark L. Fergerson

cinquirer wrote:
To discuss fully about Qi. We need to take into account another
equally strange idea, that of bioetheric body or bioplasmic
body. What is a bioplasmic or bioetheric body?? It's related to
Qi because it is the part of our body where it interacts with Qi.

"Qi" and "bioplasmic/bioetheric body" are assumptions,
not facts fit for discussion until their properties are
described in reproducibly testable terms.

By "reproducible", I mean by anyone, and no bushwa about
how some people are better at it than others. Come up with
some Minimum Phenomena anyone can observe about both.
Science is not elitist.

I've once asked whether the bioetheric body is just the mapping
of the biological body ATP cell fuel process, etc. So I and other Qi
healers investigate those with amputated legs. We found out that
their missing legs bioetheric matter slowly dissipate and after
a year, it is no longer there. Upon amputation, the bioetheric
foot outline is still there, then it slowly disintegrate. With
this observation, we can say that it is not the body cell fuel mapping,
because with the absence of flesh, it is still connected to the
entire bioetheric body like some kind of hologram.

Yeah, yeah, Kirlian photography. Not reproducible as
described above.

Now in my other investigations. I looked into inanimate matter with
a group of seers. Inanimate matter doesn't have a bioetheric body
but just some kind of energy. With living matter, the energy is
so dynamic. As if Qi is related to consciousness... as if Qi is
some kind of "conscious energy".

What is the dividing line between animate and inanimate?
Is it at the atomic or molecular level or what? If the
former, why aren't diamonds alive? If the latter, is a
single molecule of sucrose alive? If elsewhere, why isn't a
million-year-old fly in amber still alive?

What is the "some kind of energy" possessed by inanimate
matter and how does it relate to Qi? How is it perceivable
by a "Qi sensitive" if it isn't Qi? What determines one's
degree of sensitivity?

unfounded speculation snipped

I repeat:

Until you positively eliminate known
physics in explaining your observations, why should we (or
you, for that matter) not believe you're merely fooling
yourself?

You still have to

... reproducibly determine its properties, and
rigorously separate them from known physics. Make hypotheses
based on what properties you see (derive sets of rules) that
explain those properties _and_ predict other evidence you
haven't looked for yet (frinst time of propagation, untested
subjects/materials etc.), then _test_ those new predictions,
and repeat until you eliminate all hypotheses but one

before I'll take you seriously.

Mark L. Fergerson

I noticed that you *still* ignored most of my questions - but this time,
you snipped them, so it isn't as obvious to everyone as the last time.
Why do you do this? Are you interested in discussion, or do you only
want to preach?

Oh, I see that you promised to answer my questions later. We'll see...
Nevertheless, I would have preferred it if you had *first* answered my
question and *then* posted something about experiment - or even better,
if you had waited with posting stuff about experiments until you had
found a properly controlled study!


cinquirer wrote:

The following is one such experiment.

I think by "one such" you mean a double-blind experiment?


I'll continue my comments
further below after sharing it (it's from Glen Rein Quantum Biology)

HEALING EXPERIMENTS WITH LEONARD LASKOW

A). Experimental Protocol
B). Healing States of Consciousness
C). Experimental Results on Tumor Cells
D). The Role of Thought, Image and Intent
E). Experimental Results with Water
F). Magnetic Field Emission from Laskow's Hands
G). Modulating Laskow's Magnetic Field with non-Hertzian Energy

"
A). Experimental Protocol

Based on these studies,

What studies?


it was of interest to explore the role of the
consciousness in the holoenergetic healing process and to correlate
different mental content (imagery, intent and thought) with biological
effects in tissue culture. In order to help verify the hypothesis that
the effects are target specific, a third biological endpoint was
chosen.

What does this mean?


The growth of tumor cells in culture was chosen because it
could be monitored quantitatively using state of the art biochemical
techniques and was highly relev ant clinically. The protocol involved
measuring DNA synthesis by quantitating ifs incorporation of
radioactive thymidine. The rate of cell proliferation was then
determined relative to the total number of cells which were counted in
a hemocytometer. Leonard Laskow shifted into a specific state of
consciousness and mentally and energetically focused on three petri
dishes held in the palm of his hand. Another aliquot of cells from the
same stock bottle was being held simultaneo usly by a non-healer in an
adjac ent room. The non-healer was reading a book to minimize the
interaction of his consciousness on the cells. Both sets of petri
dishes (n=6) were brought back to the tissue culture hood where they
were labelled (blindly) and scrambled. The author then labelled the
cells with radioactive thymidine and processed them after 24 hrs
growth to measuring cell proliferation. The same exact protocol was
also followed in another parallel set of experiments done with
distilled water contained in a plastic lid-seal ed tes t tube, instead
of cells in a petd dish. This water, as well as control water, was
then used to make statard tissue culture medium which was then added
to the cells at the beginning of the 24 hr. growth period.

Interesting test - but not a double-blind one!


B). Healing States of Consciousness

Laskow explored five different mental intentions some of which are an
integral part of the holoenergetic healing process. He describes an
overall loving state that was maintained throughout all the
experiments, which allowed him to be in resonance with the tumour
cells. The technique for attaining this nonordinary state is a form of
meditation which allows intentional focusing and cohering of energy.
Laskow refers to these intentions as different contents of
consciousness. He distinguishes the intentions as : 1) returning to
the natural order and harmony of the cell's normal rate of growth, 2)
circulating the microcosmic orbit, 3) letting God's will flow through
these hands, 4) unconditional love and 5) dematerialization.

Laskow describes the psychoenergetic state of consciousness as
follows: I shifted to a 'transpersonal healing state' of consciousness
by using a balancing breath which balanced and cohered both\0
hemispheres of my brain followed by aligning, centering, and
energizing techniques. These processes produce, for me, a loving state
which allowed my mind to come into resonance with the tumor cells as 1
focused on them. While in this transpersonal loving state I varied the
content of my consciousness to specifically evaluate the differential
influence of changes in mental content on tumor cell growth. We
evaluated five different intentions while I was holding petri dishes
containing tumor cells in my hands for each of the mental intentions".

"We were interested in varying what 1 was intending in my mind for
these tumor cells. The first intent was the focused instruction that
the tumor cells return to the natural order and harmony of their
normal cell line. By normal I meant that the cells should grow at a
normal rate, rather than their present accelerated tumor cell rate.
Another intention was let God's will flow through my hands, so (in
this case) there wasn't a specific direction given. Unconditional love
was giving no direction at all. When I do healing work, 1 shift into
an unconditionally loving transpersonal state. While in that general
loving state, superimposed unconditional loving intent without giving
specific direction to the energy".

"I had two forms of dematerialization, one was dematerialized into the
light and the other one was dematerialized into the void. I wanted to
see whether there was a 'reluctance' on the part of the cells to go
into the unknown. Or is it better to give them a direction into the
light. Obviously, this has import for people who are doing healing
work in terms of giving direction to tumor cells and energy forms that
you want to release. Is it easier to release them giving them a
direction or releasing them into their potential, but without the
light.

Lots of blather, but still no double-blind test.


C). Experimental Results on Tumor Cells

The results indicate that the different contents of consciousness
could be distinguished in terms of their biological responses. Of the
different intentions studied, only three showed a significant effect
on inhibiting the growth of the tumor cells. The most effective
intention we tried with tumor cell cultures was returned to the
natural order and harmony of the normal cell line" (39% inhibition).
Allowing God's will to manifest appeared to be only half as effective
(21 % inhibition). Under the same experi mental conditions,
unconditional love neither stimulated or inhibited cell growth. Its
effect was neutral and seemingly accepting of the present condition.
These results have important implications for healers.

The results suggest that certain healing states and contents of
consciousness are more effective than others. As mentioned above,
however, we do not know to what extent these effects are target
specific. It is possible that other intentions would have been
effective if other biological endpoints were chosen. For example,
treating the tissue culture medium with microcosmic orbit (41 %
inhibition) was equally as effective as treating it with returning the
the natural order, although the two focuses of conscio usness were
significantly different when treating the tumor cells directly.
Alternatively, the content and states of consciousness that were
effective in this experiment for Laskow, may not have been optimal for
another healer treating the same tumor cells. Thus the results may be
healer specific. These questions, however, are amenable to study using
cultured cells in the protocol followed in this study. Future studies
will in fact compare different sta tes of consciousness with different
biological experime nts, albeit with one healer, Leonard Laskow.

Same comment.


D).The Role of Thought, Image and Intent

In these experiments we were interested in further defining the
specific contents of consciousness in order to determine the relative
role of non-focused thought and image as distinct from intention.
These experiments were done by changing the thought and image content
of a given state of consciousness and determining what the
corresponding effect on the growth of the tumor cells would be. The
results indicated that different biological effects could be observed
by just changing the intent or the imagery as sociated with the
healing process but nonfocused thought had no effect. Thus, while
Laskow was in the microcosmic orbit state of consciousness, the mental
image of visualizing only three cells remaining in the petri dish
after the experiment caused an 18% inhibition of cell growth. On the
other hand, switching the mental image to one where many more cells
were visualized in the dish resulted in an increased growth of tumor
cells (15%). The results are remarkable since not only could a
different biological r esponse be observed by changing the mental
image, but an actual reversal of the biological process of cell growth
was achieved.

We were then interested in determining to what extent intention, as a
focused mental thought, might contribute to the healing response. This
was achieved by Laskow intending and instructing the cells to "return
to their normal order and rate of growth", while holding no visual
image, thus separating intent from imagery. This experiment can be
directly compared with the previous one, since the microcosmic orbit
state of consciousness was maintained throughout and the previous
experiment involved no conscious ly focused intent. We found that
focused intent for the cells to return to the natural order of their
normal growth rate produced the same inhibitory biological response
(20% inhibition) as did imagery alone.

When we included the intention for the cells to return to the natural
order of the normal cell line together with the imagery of reduced
growth, the inhibitory effect was doubled to 40%. These results
suggest that imagery and intent each contributed equally in inhibiting
the growth of tumor cells in culture.

Same comment.


E). Experimental Results with Water

Since previous studies indicated that healers could influence the
physical/chemical properties of water (Dean, 1975) and that this
energetically charged water could then influence biological systems
(Grad, 1965), we were interested in confirming these experiments using
the above protocol. Specifically, we wanted to determine whether there
were differences in the energetic patterns associated with different
states and contents of consciousness and whether these patterns could
be transferred to water. If the energetic patterns could be detected
in water using absorption spectroscopy, it might indicate that
specific spectral patterns are associated with different states and
contents of consciousness. The rational for this hypothesis is based
on the reported ability of healers to change the spectral patterns of
water (Schwartz, 1991).

Is this the same Schwartz who is thoroughly bashed at James Randi's web
site?


Preliminary experiments with Laskow,
indicated he could non-specifically alter the Raman spectra of water
charged holoenergetically (Gough). In our approach to this question,
we st udied whether changing the content of consciousness, while in a
nonordinary state, could be used to alter tumor cell growth when
tissue culture medium was treated psychoenergetically.

The results indicated that water was in fact capable of storing and
transferring the information associated with different contents of
consciousness to the tumor cells. Thus water treated with the
intention to return the cells to their natural order and harmony
resulted in a 28% inhibitionof cell growth, quite similar to that
obtained when the cells were treated directly. Even more surprising,
however, was the fact that two other focuses which were ineffective
when the cells were treated directly, were eff ective when the water
was treated. Thus unconditional love caused a 21% inhibition of growth
and dematerialization caused a 27% inhibition. These results suggest
that the efficacy of different focuses of consciousness depends on the
target being healed. The data also suggest that water may be a more
universal target. It is possible that pure water is more capable of
picking up certain types of energy and information than cells. It
other situations, with differe nt environmental energy influences
present, wat er may not store or release information. The practical
application of this observation is that healers can give their clients
water o drink which had been previously charged with their healing
energy. This may also be the basis for blessing food and wine.

Still nothing double-blind here.


In conclusion, the summary of the biological experiments presented in
this article indicate that 1) non-Hertzian fields can in fact have
marked effects directly on biological systems, independent of the
belief system of the individual (cinquirer note: the term
"non-Hertzian was acquired from Tesla to refer to unconvensional
energy as Rein explained earlier), 2) water is a key mediator in this
response and 3) the nature of this interaction is quantitatively and
qualitatively different from that occuring with conventional EM
fields. If EM fields are just derivates of non-Hertzian fields and the
latter can interact with matter at the nuclear level (rather than the
electron shell), non-Hertzian fields have the potential to effect
biological systems at a very profound level indeed and should
constitute a key role in energy medicine of the future.

Perhaps. Repeat the experiment properly controlled, using double-blind
studies, and then we will talk again about this.


F). Magnetic Field Emission from Laskow's Hands

The previous results indicate that quantum information which is
associated with specific intentions and images can manifest in our 4-D
reality as patterns. In these studies, the patterns manifested as
different brain wave spectra during the healing state (Cade, 1979;
Tart, 1969) and spectrographic changes in water (Schwartz, 199 1)
which had been charged psychoenergetically. To further study the
correlation between these energetic patterns and the different states
and contents of consciousness associated wi th holoenergetic healing,
temporal patterns of the magnetic fields emitted from Laskow's hands
during holoenergetic healing were measured.

Magnetic fields aren't "emitted". This makes no sense.


The magnetic fields were measured using a flux-gate magnetometer
sensitive from D.C. to 500 Hz. Laskow cuped his hand over the probe
but did not touch it. The chart recordings begin on the right and end
on the left side of the tracing. Non-healers were unable to influence
magnetometer readings. Touchin or moving the probe gave
characteristic, sharp patterns which were readily distinguishable from
energetic patterns.

Still nothing double-blind here.


An initial and critical part of the holoenergetic healing process is
opening the crown chakra. The magnetic field pattern generated when
Laskow opened his crown chakra was recorded. It appeared distinctly
different from other patterns obtained in that it had a very sharp
onset, an equally sharp dissipation and only lasted eight seconds.
This result implies that the event was short-lived and caused a shift
in the magnetic field pattern only during its duration. The return to
normal baseline was characteristi c of patterns produced by other
states of consciousness when Laskow consciously chose to shift into
another state or end the particular experiment.

It is interesting to note that in some tracings the energetic pattern
shifts down, implying a decrease in the magnetic field strength in the
environment around Laskow's hands. This unusual response could be due
to the generation of a non-Hertzian field from Laskow's hands which
cancels a part the background magnetic field causing its diminution.

Since we had observed that only certain contents of consciousness
resulted in magnetic field patterns which were different from an
ordinary state of mind. it was of interest to compare the patterns
from two states which gave different biological responses measured as
an inhibition of tumor cell growth. We therefore compared the magnetic
pattern obtained when Laskow was in an unconditional loving state and
in the return to natural order state. The results indicates that
indeed these magnetic patterns were di fferent from each other.
Compared to the robust effect with the natural order state, the
unconditional loving state produced a weak, non-specific pattern. The
important point however is that there is a correlation between the
magnetic patterns and the biological effects produced by these states
of consciousness, since the unconditional love state did produce a
biological response. This may be due to the lack of a specific image
or intention (critical contents of consci ousness demonstrated above)
associated with the unconditional love state which could be thought of
as a universal carrier of subtle energetic information. The carrier by
itself, without modulation, does not appear to influence the tumor
cells, almost as if they were in unconditional acceptance of the
situation.

In general these patterns were obtained most consistently when Laskow
was allowed to generate the different states and contents of
consciousness spontaneosly, rather than being told a given sequence.
One of the most interesting sponta