Hi,

My question is rather naive : Is there a meaning to constancy of
speed of light ?

that is, does it tell us something about the world we are in, and
hence help in understanding/*realizing* implications of relativity ?

Relativity is proved by having observer measure everything using
light,c.
Now, atoms and sub-particles etc, which also obey relativity, will
believe in these scenarios measured by observer of relativity's proof,
only if the very world has c as its very internal engine with which it
executes all phenomenon.
Thus, does relativity appear so strange because we are trying to
observe(measure) the very world in which we ourselves are ?
Is it possible to get out of this cycle ?

thanks
with regards
naive inquisitive

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Inquisitive wrote:

Hi,

* My question is rather naive : Is there a meaning to constancy of
speed of light ?

** that is, does it tell us something about the world we are in, and
hence help in understanding/*realizing* implications of relativity ?

It is there three little bears. The Momma bear -1 the Baby bear 0
and the Papa bear +1 They all lived in a universe that at their
heart they had a time symmetry that controlled their mass. The
-1 clock is running to slow so the mass is negative or are virtual
particles because they only travel faster than the speed of light.
the 0 mass the clock is stopped so it can only travel at the
speed of light, and the +1 has a clock too fast so it can never
reach the speed of light.* The reason why the massless particle,
with its stopped clock, travels at the speed of light is, it is the
energy imparted to all particles at the time the universe was created.
All the engines only run at one speed so none can go any faster.
*
*
*

*

** Relativity is proved by having observer measure everything using
light,c.
** Now, atoms and sub-particles etc, which also obey relativity, will
believe in these scenarios measured by observer of relativity's proof,
only if the very world has c as its very internal engine with which it
executes all phenomenon.
** Thus, does relativity appear so strange because we are trying to
observe(measure) the very world in which we ourselves are ?
** Is it possible to get out of this cycle ?

thanks
*with regards
** naive inquisitive

*

Dear Inquisitive:

"Inquisitive" wrote in message
om...
Hi,

My question is rather naive : Is there a meaning to constancy of
speed of light ?

It means the laws of physics are uniform to a given frame. It is rather
like having a unit of money that is the same value for all shopkeepers.

that is, does it tell us something about the world we are in, and
hence help in understanding/*realizing* implications of relativity ?

The laws of physics are good in all frames of reference. No need to know
how fast you are going to run an experiment

Relativity is proved by having observer measure everything using
light,c.
Now, atoms and sub-particles etc, which also obey relativity, will
believe in these scenarios measured by observer of relativity's proof,
only if the very world has c as its very internal engine with which it
executes all phenomenon.
Thus, does relativity appear so strange because we are trying to
observe(measure) the very world in which we ourselves are ?
Is it possible to get out of this cycle ?

Not using light and matter as the yardstick and the "memory", no. But that
doesn't leave much in the arsenal.

David A. Smith

"Inquisitive" wrote in message om...
Hi,

My question is rather naive : Is there a meaning to constancy of
speed of light ?

Yes. Whenever you measure the speed of light
(in a vacuum and in an inertial frame of reference)
you always get the same answer. This is regardless
if the motion of the source relative to the
measurement apparatus.

that is, does it tell us something about the world we are in, and
hence help in understanding/*realizing* implications of relativity ?

Yes, it tells us that the word we live in has
four-dimensional, with a particular geometry.

Relativity is proved by having observer measure everything using
light,c.

No, that is not how relativity is proved. Constancy of the
speed of light is one of the starting points of relativity.

Now, atoms and sub-particles etc, which also obey relativity, will
believe in these scenarios measured by observer of relativity's proof,
only if the very world has c as its very internal engine with which it
executes all phenomenon.

I do not understand this. Atoms do not have beliefs.

Thus, does relativity appear so strange because we are trying to
observe(measure) the very world in which we ourselves are ?

No. Relativity appears strange because it is strange, but
it is self-consistent and in agreement with experiment.

Martin Hogbin

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Martin Hogbin wrote:

"Inquisitive" wrote in message om...
Hi,

** My question is rather naive : Is there a meaning to constancy of
speed of light ?

Yes.* Whenever you measure the speed of light
(in a vacuum and in an inertial frame of reference)
you always get the same answer.* This is regardless
if the motion of the source relative to the
measurement apparatus.

Or to look at it mechanically speaking, as you approach the
speed of light the electrons cannot go forward they start
to travel in a circles instead of an sphere so the body
shrinks and time is distorted, same in a gravitational field.
*
*

*

*** that is, does it tell us something about the world we are in, and
hence help in understanding/*realizing* implications of relativity ?

Yes, it tells us that the word we live in has
four-dimensional, with a particular geometry.

*** Relativity is proved by having observer measure everything using
light,c.

No, that is not how relativity is proved.* Constancy of the
speed of light is one of the starting points of relativity.

*** Now, atoms and sub-particles etc, which also obey relativity, will
believe in these scenarios measured by observer of relativity's proof,
only if the very world has c as its very internal engine with which it
executes all phenomenon.

I do not understand this.* Atoms do not have beliefs.

*** Thus, does relativity appear so strange because we are trying to
observe(measure) the very world in which we ourselves are ?

No.* Relativity appears strange because it is strange, but
it is self-consistent and in agreement with experiment.

Martin Hogbin

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Martin Hogbin wrote:

"Inquisitive" wrote in message
om...
Hi,

My question is rather naive : Is there a meaning to constancy of
speed of light ?

Yes. Whenever you measure the speed of light
(in a vacuum and in an inertial frame of reference)
you always get the same answer. This is regardless
if the motion of the source relative to the
measurement apparatus.

Or to look at it mechanically speaking, as you approach the
speed of light the electrons cannot go forward they start
to travel in a circles instead of an sphere so the body
shrinks and time is distorted, same in a gravitational field.



Aha!! This is very enlightening. ; ) Thank you, Daniel.


--

Bonnie Granat
Granat Technical Editing and Writing
http://www.granatedit.com

"Inquisitive" wrote in message
om...
Hi,

My question is rather naive : Is there a meaning to constancy of
speed of light ?

The speed of light is 299,792,458m/1 clock second in all inertial frames.
However, a clock second in inertial frame A does not correspond to a clock
second in inertial frame B. So what does this mean? It means that the speed
of light is NOT a universal constant as asserted by SR. But rather it is a
constant math ratio as follows:
Light path length of rod (299,792,458m)/the absolute time
content for a clock second co-moving with the rod.

Ken Seto

Inquisitive wrote:

Hi,

My question is rather naive : Is there a meaning to constancy of
speed of light ?

that is, does it tell us something about the world we are in, and
hence help in understanding/*realizing* implications of relativity ?

Yes. It tells us that the universe is locally Loretnz covariant.



Relativity is proved by having observer measure everything using
light,c.

That's not correct. In relativity, you can measure anything youwant using
anything you want. The result of the measurement
will not allow you to conclude that c isn't a universal constant.

Now, atoms and sub-particles etc, which also obey relativity, will
believe in these scenarios measured by observer of relativity's proof,
only if the very world has c as its very internal engine with which it
executes all phenomenon.
Thus, does relativity appear so strange because we are trying to
observe(measure) the very world in which we ourselves are ?
Is it possible to get out of this cycle ?



As I alluded to above, relativity has nothing to do with
measuringeverything with light.

Your understanding of relativity is fundamentally flawed.

John Anderson

Daniel Jetson wrote in message ...
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Martin Hogbin wrote:

"Inquisitive" wrote in message om...
Hi,

** My question is rather naive : Is there a meaning to constancy of
speed of light ?

Yes.* Whenever you measure the speed of light
(in a vacuum and in an inertial frame of reference)
you always get the same answer.* This is regardless
if the motion of the source relative to the
measurement apparatus.

Or to look at it mechanically speaking, as you approach the
speed of light the electrons cannot go forward they start
to travel in a circles instead of an sphere so the body
shrinks and time is distorted, same in a gravitational field.
*

QED says your an ignoramus.