About a year or two ago, I decided to engage in a little speculation and
suggested (on NPR's Science Friday forum) that dark matter might be the
result of other matter in adjacent universes interacting gravitationally
with matter in our own universe. Lo and behold, I just heard on the last
Science Friday show that "many people" are speculating about this very same
possibility. It can't be a coincidence.

Just for the fun of it, maybe I should present another theory for them to
steal.

Lately, I've been wondering if the multiverse is really just the 5th
dimension. Obviously, we have the three spatial dimensions that we're all
familiar with. Then, there's the time dimension. But first, let's take a
look at a few of the characteristics that the first four dimensions all have
in common.

*All these dimensions can accommodate multiples of all the lower dimensions
within itself.

*All the lower dimensions are connected in some ways and not connected in
others through the higher dimensions.

*All cause and effect relationships would be obvious to a being confined to
it's respective dimension so long as all physical phenomena were confined to
said dimension or to the one(s) below it.

*Cause and effect relationships would not be so obvious if they weren't.

Doesn't this describe the multiverse from the perspective of the universe
that we understand? If so, it seems reasonable enough to conclude that the
multiverse is really just a realm that extends at right angles to time and
all three spatial dimensions. As for what comes after # 5 - beats me.

Robert

Robert Calvert wrote:

About a year or two ago, I decided to engage in a little speculation and
suggested (on NPR's Science Friday forum) that dark matter might be the
result of other matter in adjacent universes interacting gravitationally
with matter in our own universe. Lo and behold, I just heard on the last
Science Friday show that "many people" are speculating about this very same
possibility. It can't be a coincidence.

Just for the fun of it, maybe I should present another theory for them to
steal.

Lately, I've been wondering if the multiverse is really just the 5th
dimension. Obviously, we have the three spatial dimensions that we're all
familiar with. Then, there's the time dimension. But first, let's take a
look at a few of the characteristics that the first four dimensions all have
in common.

*All these dimensions can accommodate multiples of all the lower dimensions
within itself.

*All the lower dimensions are connected in some ways and not connected in
others through the higher dimensions.

*All cause and effect relationships would be obvious to a being confined to
it's respective dimension so long as all physical phenomena were confined to
said dimension or to the one(s) below it.

*Cause and effect relationships would not be so obvious if they weren't.

Doesn't this describe the multiverse from the perspective of the universe
that we understand? If so, it seems reasonable enough to conclude that the
multiverse is really just a realm that extends at right angles to time and
all three spatial dimensions. As for what comes after # 5 - beats me.

Robert

Hmmm... This is interesting. Can you expound a little more on your
darkmatter logic?
Dave

You are born with a skill to write science fictions which I admire. I wish
I had your capability.

* * *

"Robert Calvert" wrote in message
...
About a year or two ago, I decided to engage in a little speculation and
suggested (on NPR's Science Friday forum) that dark matter might be the
result of other matter in adjacent universes interacting gravitationally
with matter in our own universe. Lo and behold, I just heard on the last
Science Friday show that "many people" are speculating about this very same
possibility. It can't be a coincidence.

Just for the fun of it, maybe I should present another theory for them to
steal.

Lately, I've been wondering if the multiverse is really just the 5th
dimension. Obviously, we have the three spatial dimensions that we're all
familiar with. Then, there's the time dimension. But first, let's take a
look at a few of the characteristics that the first four dimensions all have
in common.

*All these dimensions can accommodate multiples of all the lower dimensions
within itself.

*All the lower dimensions are connected in some ways and not connected in
others through the higher dimensions.

*All cause and effect relationships would be obvious to a being confined to
it's respective dimension so long as all physical phenomena were confined to
said dimension or to the one(s) below it.

*Cause and effect relationships would not be so obvious if they weren't.

Doesn't this describe the multiverse from the perspective of the universe
that we understand? If so, it seems reasonable enough to conclude that the
multiverse is really just a realm that extends at right angles to time and
all three spatial dimensions. As for what comes after # 5 - beats me.

Robert

"Dave" wrote in message
news:VXInb.41355$9E1.173597@attbi_s52...
Robert Calvert wrote:

About a year or two ago, I decided to engage in a little speculation and
suggested (on NPR's Science Friday forum) that dark matter might be the
result of other matter in adjacent universes interacting gravitationally
with matter in our own universe. Lo and behold, I just heard on the last
Science Friday show that "many people" are speculating about this very
same
possibility. It can't be a coincidence.

Just for the fun of it, maybe I should present another theory for them
to
steal.

Lately, I've been wondering if the multiverse is really just the 5th
dimension. Obviously, we have the three spatial dimensions that we're
all
familiar with. Then, there's the time dimension. But first, let's take a
look at a few of the characteristics that the first four dimensions all
have
in common.

*All these dimensions can accommodate multiples of all the lower
dimensions
within itself.

*All the lower dimensions are connected in some ways and not connected
in
others through the higher dimensions.

*All cause and effect relationships would be obvious to a being confined
to
it's respective dimension so long as all physical phenomena were
confined to
said dimension or to the one(s) below it.

*Cause and effect relationships would not be so obvious if they weren't.

Doesn't this describe the multiverse from the perspective of the
universe
that we understand? If so, it seems reasonable enough to conclude that
the
multiverse is really just a realm that extends at right angles to time
and
all three spatial dimensions. As for what comes after # 5 - beats me.

Robert

Hmmm... This is interesting. Can you expound a little more on your
darkmatter logic?

It just popped into my head. But the fact that many physicists are taking it
seriously says something don't you think? Although, I'm not exactly sure
what. :-)

At least my multiverse theory is more deliberate and well reasoned.

Robert

"Robert Calvert" wrote in message ...
About a year or two ago, I decided to engage in a little speculation and
suggested (on NPR's Science Friday forum) that dark matter might be the
result of other matter in adjacent universes interacting gravitationally
with matter in our own universe. Lo and behold, I just heard on the last
Science Friday show that "many people" are speculating about this very same
possibility. It can't be a coincidence.

snip

Robert
[EL]
Is idiocy a common defect or is it an infection?
It would not be a coincidence in the second case of course, but is it?

EL

This "parallel reality" may also exists right here on earth (if it
can exist in deep space, why not here). But because it sounds so
bizarre. Scientists reject all accounts of such encounters as
absolute craziness with no room for any possibility. And herein
may lie the clue to the true structure or extensions of reality.
Anyway, the following is a good article about it written by this
researcher called Michael Mott.

http://home.earthlink.net/~mottimorp...eanIntro2.html

(quoting a brief part in article 2)

"3. THE PROBLEM OF DENSITY

Adjustable or varying density seems to be a trait or ability shared by
apparitions, unknown humanoids, and some "cryptid" creatures. UFOnauts
are said by witnesses to be able to "alter" their own physical
density, pass through solid walls and doors, yet also become
completely physical when they wish or need to be so. In 1987, a group
of Russian cosmonauts aboard Salyut 7 reported to their mission
commanders that they had been visited while in space by gigantic,
nebulous beings, which they called "angels." T hese beings, beside
whom the cosmonauts and their vessel were but insects, smiled
benignly, enigmatically, and perhaps somewhat amusedly at the tiny
human interlopers into space. Vladimir Solevev, Oleg Atkov and Leonid
Kizim went on record as saying, "What we saw were seven giant figures
in the form of humans, but with wings and mist-like halos as in the
classic depiction of angels." Of course, traditionally "angels" can
alter their density at will, becoming so lid and visible, solid and
invisible, or ethere al and visible, as the mood strikes them. When
taking on a human form, as in Old Testament accounts, they are
approximately of human size and apparent density. UFO entities are
often described in similar terms.

According to Bill Moore and Charles Berlitz, the late paranormal
researcher Gerald Light was invited to a top-secret meeting at Edwards
Airforce Base in 1954. Here, apparently for the sake of eliciting an
opinion from him, Light was shown a variety of captured "alien"
aeroforms or craft, as well as some of the entities who were
"instructing" the military in their operation. According to a letter
from Light, written to researcher Meade Layne of Borderland Sciences
Research Institute (and reported by Berlitz and Moore in their book,
The Roswell Incident), these beings were capable of altering their
physical density at will, as well as their visibility. He referred to
them as "etherians." They could appear as solid and "real" as a human
being, or "fade away" by degrees. One section of the letter expresses
Light's horror or shock at seeing these beings for himself, and the
effect of their reality on the usually unflappable military men around
him: '"To watch strong mind s flinch before totally irreconcilable
aspec ts of "science" is not a pleasant thing. I had forgotten how
commonplace such things as the "dematerialization" of solid objects
had become to my own mind.

The coming and going of an etheric, or spirit, body has been so
familiar to me these many years I had just forgotten that such a
manifestation could snap the mental balance of a man not so
conditioned. I shall never forget those forty-eight hours at Muroc!"'
Previously in the letter, Light refers to these "other" humanoids in
the following manner: "During my two days visit I saw five separate
and distinct types of aircraft being studied and handled by our
air-force officials-with the assistance and permissi on of the
Etherians! I have no words to express my reactions."' The key term
here is etherians, but the ability to manifest in a "solid" physical
form does not go unnoticed. Many entities, from the recent evil dwarf
in Argentina called "El Diablito," to El Chupacabras, the
"Hopkinsville Goblins," the Jersey Devil, and a wide variety of hairy
humanoids of many sizes and descriptions, exhibit characteristics of
extreme density, invulnerability to shotgun-bl asts, bullets, shovels,
vehicle impact, and other blo ws, and an unnatural strength or
musculature which seems to enable abnormally high jumps, leaps,
bounds, or speeds. This strength also enables them to rip into animal
pens as if they are made of paper, or to escape any confines or snares
which are set for them.

If examined logically, this variation of density becomes a clear
characteristic of at least some anomalous entities, although not of
all. If, as evidence overwhelmingly indicates, "El Diablito" and El
Chupacabras, as well as many of the others mentioned, have a deep
subterranean or "cavern-world" origin, then this increased density and
strength may be due to an origin or ongoing habitation at pressures
much greater than those which exist in the surface world. So where do
the other, less "animal-like" beings , specifically angels and UFO
entities, tie in? Unlike the others, they seem to be able to alter
their physical density, vibratory level, or distance between their
constituent atoms at will. This may very well be an attribute of
beings of "spirit," but they are also physical when it suits them to
be so.

Reflecting upon the giant angels as seen and sworn to by the
cosmonauts, one has to note that, in an area of almost zero pressure
and far from the Earth's most powerful electromagnetic and
gravitational pulls, these beings were "greatly expanded" in size.
Could it be that, upon reaching the surface of the planet, whether in
a visible or invisible state, they would be naturally "compressed" to
human size in some way, perhaps due to the electromagnetic and
gravitational fields of the Earth? Conversely, is the super-hard or
seemingly preternatural density, impervious nature, and excessive
strength of more animalistic entities evidence of their subterranean
origin at higher pressures, or nearer to a deep region of greater
magnetic or gravitational force?

Some beings are apparently capable of altering their density at will,
and these types seem to be initiators of encounters, the intentional
interlopers and manipulators of human lives. The other category of
entity seem to be types of purely physical creatures, yet evidence
would seem to indicate that these beings may very well be in the
service or at the beck-and-call of those with more "spiritual"
density-altering abilities, and almost certainly of some sort of
subterranean origin. The same can be said, per haps, of other humanoid
races or specie, particularly those who are interested in human and
livestock genetics and flesh.

When anomalous entities are examined in the light of the foregoing
theory, scientific reality and common sense seem to merge with the
mystical or the outrE, to present an explanation which reconciles
these things to our own physical reality. If this "variable density,"
or even organic densities different from our own are maintained,
controlled, or otherwise affected by electromagnetic fields, or the EM
field of the Earth itself, then this would explain much in terms of
traditional beliefs about such beings. In many folk traditions around
the world, iron is believed to have a particular efficacy against the
influence of underworld beings. This is as true in Celtic and British
folklore as it is in some Japanese and other accounts.

Much of this data is discussed in HIDDEN NEIGHBORS, which is a section
in the book CAVERNS, CAULDRONS, AND CONCEALED CREATURES
http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/caverns. After careful consideration
of some of these accounts and beliefs, and taking into account many
apparent electromagnetic connections which exist in regard to
hauntings, UFO activity, ley lines, "places of power," and so forth,
it seems that perhaps iron has a disruptive effect upon electrical or
electromagnetic fields and the stability of so me degrees of density
which are utilized by the more "etheric" beings. When one considers
that we are all, in effect, electromagnetic creatures, this makes some
degree of sense.

The Highland Scots, Gaelic Irish, and the Norse were especially aware
of this connection, and it's mentioned by Robert Kirk in The Secret
Commonwealth, wherein which he in fact states that not only iron, but
some "ultimate lodestone" in some depth of the north is most greatly
feared by the "subterraneans." Does the electromagnetic field of the
Earth present an underlying explanation or connection which provides a
logical "unifying field" for things like telepathy, precognition,
clairvoyance, reincarnation, and so on? We know that the human brain
is a radio transmitter and receiver which is also highly
electromagnetic in nature and activity; the most powerful
naturally-occurring electromagnetic field that we know of, and which
we all bathe in constantly, is that of the Earth itself. Some
"hauntings" are thought to be imprints or recordings of extremely
emotional events in the environment, and this is an electromagnetic
phenomenon which has often been measured with electronic equipm ent.
Perhaps "ghosts," percei ved "memories" of reincarnation, and
"insight" or clairvoyance are all recordings, "stored data," or
accessing of information which is naturally held in the
electromagnetic field ("akashic record") of the Earth.

By the same token, "places of power," mystical locations, ley lines,
vortices, and so forth all are distinguished by a much
higher-than-normal electromagnetic field. This concept doesn't negate
any clairvoyant knowledge, experience or even a reincarnation memory
in any way, but perhaps people who are of such a sensitive, "receiver"
nature can consciously or subconsciously "load the data," which is
stored somehow in the electromagnetic-physical matrix of the planet,
as their own and replay it nearly perfectl y. This may be due to
something distinctive to their brain structure, and may part of the
reason that UFOnauts, fairies, elves, succubi, incubi, and other
beings exhibit interest in specific racial or cultural groups. Often
these groups are those who exhibit higher-than-average extrasensory or
precognitive abilities, which the Highland Gaels of Scotland called
"the Sight." There seems little doubt that "things of spirit," and of
some things which are connected to " spiritual" mysteries and
anomalous entities , exhibit some sort of electromagnetic connection.
The "disruptive" power of iron on subterranean "fairies," the alleged
interest of modern UFOnauts or "reptoids" for sources of natural
magnetism or high-voltage power-lines, and other mysteries may be
brought into a more logical perspective if we view ourselves all as
being rather like programs and subroutines which "run" on the
electromagnetic (multi-dimensional) and physical hard-drive of a
spinning dynamo that we call the Earth.

This perception of other regions on the electromagnetic spectrum may
also explain some aspects of abduction experiences, out-of-body
experiences, and "astral" travel. Lucid dreams which take on an
"astral" tone may also be due to one's brain tapping into another
spectrum of reality which exists on, or possibly within, our planet.
George Wagner of Cincinnati, Ohio, relates the following "dream":

"Although I've not had an "old hag" experience, I HAVE had a couple or
three nightmares that went FAR beyond the usual breed. These
experiences were the most terribly frightening I've EVER had, asleep
or awake. It was as though I had plugged myself directly into the
electric light circuit of evil. A friend asked me how I'd compare the
evil of these dreams with, say, an extremely frightening horror movie.
I answered that you'd have to multiply by many thousands. '"Look! He
SEES the Demon-Bishop!" In the wors t of these dreams, I found myself
led by people I knew and trusted into a large, almost cavernous room.

A huge and monstrous infant sat in the center of this chamber, an
immensely fat baby weighing many tons and at least six feet high even
in its seated position. It was naked except for an incredibly filthy
diaper and a soiled and stained bishop's miter on its head. The infant
held a bishop's crosier. The end of this staff was a human skull which
seemed to be alive. The eyes glowed red and the jaw nattered and
chittered all sorts of soundless blasphemies. There were also tiny,
"living" skulls all over the mit er on the baby's head. The crowd
which surrounded me worshipped this monstrosity. Huge black flies
crawled over the baby's body and circled in festering love-orbits
around it. It was STRONGLY impressed upon me that if I too worshipped
the baby, I could also become one of these dreadful black flies. [Hey,
what a deal!] (This whole tableau struck me as violently as a sledge
hammer blow. Waves of evil rushed at me, gushed at me, like lava from
a volcano. And the whole scene was filled with a tremendous BUZZING
sound.

Ever since this dream I've been certain of one thing: evil BUZZES.)
Now the evil became truly unbearable. I KNEW that the God of the
Bible, of Jacob and Moses, of Mark and Luke and Paul, was a most
impious myth. The Demon-Bishop was indeed God and I must go down on my
knees in abject adoration. One knee touched the ground and the other
was less than an inch from the surface. I knew that in a second or two
I would be damned forever. So I tried to call out to Jesus Christ. But
my tongue seemed to fill my enti re mouth, so that I could manage
nothing more than a croaking "Yedus Ki! Yedus Ki!" '"Listen to him!"
the crowd cried out. "He still believes in that moth-eaten old fairy
tale!" But "Yedus Ki" heard my prayer and I awoke in bed. My bed
seemed to be rolling up in down, like a rowboat passing through rough
breakers.

I immediately leaped out of bed, and the entire room seemed to be
lurching up and down, like a crazy elevator (I assume this was all an
inner-ear disturbance.) My mattress was SOAKED with sweat. I even
squeezed drops of water out of it. But I then flopped back into bed,
fell immediately asleep, and slept like a baby until morning."

The "buzzing" sound which Mr. Wagner relates as being an integral part
of his experience, he has also felt at other times when something
"unusual" seemed to be occurring. He's not alone; UFO abductions and
encounters, out-of-body experiences, "old hag" or "succubus" attacks,
and many other strange phenomena are accompanied by sensations of
buzzing, vibrating, or even powerful or paralyzing electrical and
vibratory sensations. Did George Wagner leave his body, as he seems to
think he might have done, and was his consciousness or personality
"somewhere else," beneath the ground?

Folkore or religious connections jump out here. First, one of the
chieftains of the fallen Seraphim (and perhaps one of the Nephilim or
Anunna/Anunnaki) is the demon Beelzebub (Hebrew "Ba'al zebub," or
"Ba'al, Lord of the Flies"), who has the traditional title of "LORD OF
THE FLIES." Second, Beelzebub is also the demon of GLUTTONY, eating,
drinking, and sexual excess. He's often portrayed as either a giant
fly, or as an obese, huge creature. This sounds precisely like the
thing in George's dream. The 'obese ' baby of huge, gluttonous size,
controller of all the "flies" who were damned or captured human souls,
seems likely to have represented or been no one other than the
personality who is traditionally known as Beelzebub. The "bishop"
reference or title would be indicative of a "hierarchy of mockery"
which is in place, in which the structure of the Catholic Church is
mocked.

The demonological connections of the symbolism simply fit together too
perfectly to be "coincidence." George seems to think that this
experience has something to do with his proximity to a "window region"
for strange phenomena, UFO sightings, unknown creatures, and
paranormal activity, the region where Ohio, and heavily-caverned
Kentucky and West Virginia come together. Perhaps not coincidentally,
this region is also the haunt of "Mothman," the "Hopkinsville
Goblins," and other strange beings.

The "disoriented" motion or sensation experienced by George upon
awakening is also not unfamiliar to others who have experienced an
"altered state" of consciousness, and been abruptly returned to the
body. This may imply that the electromagnetic component of the mind
which is the "personality," the "soul," or something comparable, is
out of alignment with the physical brain when first "pulled back into
place." And underlying the entire account is the "buzzing"
electromagnetic sensation, a clue at the very l east to the nature of
the phenomenon, and perhaps a clue to the layered realities of varying
densities which are beneath, above, and around us, and always have
been. Perhaps "ET" should stand for "Electromagnetically
Transmutable," and an "imp" should be called an EMp.




"Robert Calvert" wrote in message ...
About a year or two ago, I decided to engage in a little speculation and
suggested (on NPR's Science Friday forum) that dark matter might be the
result of other matter in adjacent universes interacting gravitationally
with matter in our own universe. Lo and behold, I just heard on the last
Science Friday show that "many people" are speculating about this very same
possibility. It can't be a coincidence.

Just for the fun of it, maybe I should present another theory for them to
steal.

Lately, I've been wondering if the multiverse is really just the 5th
dimension. Obviously, we have the three spatial dimensions that we're all
familiar with. Then, there's the time dimension. But first, let's take a
look at a few of the characteristics that the first four dimensions all have
in common.

*All these dimensions can accommodate multiples of all the lower dimensions
within itself.

*All the lower dimensions are connected in some ways and not connected in
others through the higher dimensions.

*All cause and effect relationships would be obvious to a being confined to
it's respective dimension so long as all physical phenomena were confined to
said dimension or to the one(s) below it.

*Cause and effect relationships would not be so obvious if they weren't.

Doesn't this describe the multiverse from the perspective of the universe
that we understand? If so, it seems reasonable enough to conclude that the
multiverse is really just a realm that extends at right angles to time and
all three spatial dimensions. As for what comes after # 5 - beats me.

Robert

"Robert Calvert" wrote in message
...
About a year or two ago, I decided to engage in a little speculation and
suggested (on NPR's Science Friday forum) that dark matter might be the
result of other matter in adjacent universes interacting gravitationally
with matter in our own universe. Lo and behold, I just heard on the last
Science Friday show that "many people" are speculating about this very
same
possibility. It can't be a coincidence.

Always lock your theory and take your keys.


Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

Robert Calvert wrote:

About a year or two ago, I decided to engage in a little speculation and
suggested (on NPR's Science Friday forum) that dark matter might be the
result of other matter in adjacent universes interacting gravitationally
with matter in our own universe. Lo and behold, I just heard on the last
Science Friday show that "many people" are speculating about this very same
possibility. It can't be a coincidence.

Just for the fun of it, maybe I should present another theory for them to
steal.

Lately, I've been wondering if the multiverse is really just the 5th
dimension. Obviously, we have the three spatial dimensions that we're all
familiar with. Then, there's the time dimension. But first, let's take a
look at a few of the characteristics that the first four dimensions all have
in common.

*All these dimensions can accommodate multiples of all the lower dimensions
within itself.

*All the lower dimensions are connected in some ways and not connected in
others through the higher dimensions.

*All cause and effect relationships would be obvious to a being confined to
it's respective dimension so long as all physical phenomena were confined to
said dimension or to the one(s) below it.

*Cause and effect relationships would not be so obvious if they weren't.

Doesn't this describe the multiverse from the perspective of the universe
that we understand? If so, it seems reasonable enough to conclude that the
multiverse is really just a realm that extends at right angles to time and
all three spatial dimensions. As for what comes after # 5 - beats me.

Robert


#6.
Then at right angles to that........ #7!
Then at right angles to that........ #8!

"Robert Calvert" wrote in message
...
About a year or two ago, I decided to engage in a little speculation and
suggested (on NPR's Science Friday forum) that dark matter might be the
result of other matter in adjacent universes interacting gravitationally
with matter in our own universe. Lo and behold, I just heard on the last
Science Friday show that "many people" are speculating about this very
same
possibility. It can't be a coincidence.

I read that in a book published at least nine years ago.

"Robert Calvert" wrote in message ...
About a year or two ago, I decided to engage in a little speculation and
suggested (on NPR's Science Friday forum) that dark matter might be the
result of other matter in adjacent universes interacting gravitationally
with matter in our own universe. Lo and behold, I just heard on the last
Science Friday show that "many people" are speculating about this very same
possibility. It can't be a coincidence.

It isn't. Because it's a simple idea, many people thought of it,
all by themselves.

Lately, I've been wondering if the multiverse is really just the 5th
dimension.

It isn't. Hilbert space contains an infinite number of the
analogs of dimensions.