"Pmb" wrote in message
If you had any understanding of the covariant derivative at all then
you'd know that made a slip and I readlly meant "That's not the
covariant derivative Ken. That's the absolute derivative." I.e. I left
out the word "the" which is obvious to everyone.

(WaiteDavid137) wrote
By saying this, you are still arguing that only the covariant partial
derivative is covariant. The covariant total derivative is also a
covariant
derivative. Saying "the" covariant derivative could actually refer to
either
one.

Well its quite clear that you are unable to understand the difference
between a proper name and an adjective.


It is the proper name because it is the proper adjective, but at least
you're
starting to backpeddle on your stance that it is not a covariant derivative!

You're unbelievable waite. D/dT is not the "covariant derivative."
When are you going to get that through that thick head of yours?

Since you seem to like the following relativity related document,

why don't you write out here so everyone can see the title of Proposition 8.2
and the formula in the box at the link.
http://people.hofstra.edu/faculty/St...s/DiffGeom.pdf
It happens the formula for calculating the total covariant derivative of a
four-vector with respect to proper time.

(WaiteDavid137) wrote in message ...
"Pmb" wrote in message
If you had any understanding of the covariant derivative at all then
you'd know that made a slip and I readlly meant "That's not the
covariant derivative Ken. That's the absolute derivative." I.e. I left
out the word "the" which is obvious to everyone.

(WaiteDavid137) wrote
By saying this, you are still arguing that only the covariant partial
derivative is covariant. The covariant total derivative is also a
covariant
derivative. Saying "the" covariant derivative could actually refer to
either
one.

Well its quite clear that you are unable to understand the difference
between a proper name and an adjective.


It is the proper name because it is the proper adjective, but at least
you're
starting to backpeddle on your stance that it is not a covariant derivative!

You're unbelievable waite. D/dT is not the "covariant derivative."
When are you going to get that through that thick head of yours?

Since you seem to like the following relativity related document,

why don't you write out here so everyone can see the title of Proposition 8.2
and the formula in the box at the link.
http://people.hofstra.edu/faculty/St...s/DiffGeom.pdf
It happens the formula for calculating the total covariant derivative of a
four-vector with respect to proper time.

You seem to think that when somone gets one thing correct then they
are correct on everything else. That is another mistake you make all
the time when it is to your advantage

What he wrote in that box is the derivative along the curve. The
derivative along a curve is not the covariant derivative. The author
of that document is being careless. And that's a fact. Not an opinion.

Pmb

Subject: Covariant vs Absolute Derivative
From: (Gauge)
Date: 10/17/03 6:50 AM US Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:

(WaiteDavid137) wrote in message
...
"Pmb" wrote in message
If you had any understanding of the covariant derivative at all then
you'd know that made a slip and I readlly meant "That's not the
covariant derivative Ken. That's the absolute derivative." I.e. I
left
out the word "the" which is obvious to everyone.

(WaiteDavid137) wrote
By saying this, you are still arguing that only the covariant partial
derivative is covariant. The covariant total derivative is also a
covariant
derivative. Saying "the" covariant derivative could actually refer to
either
one.

Well its quite clear that you are unable to understand the difference
between a proper name and an adjective.


It is the proper name because it is the proper adjective, but at least
you're
starting to backpeddle on your stance that it is not a covariant
derivative!

You're unbelievable waite. D/dT is not the "covariant derivative."
When are you going to get that through that thick head of yours?

Since you seem to like the following relativity related document,

why don't you write out here so everyone can see the title of Proposition
8.2
and the formula in the box at the link.
http://people.hofstra.edu/faculty/St...s/DiffGeom.pdf
It happens the formula for calculating the total covariant derivative of a
four-vector with respect to proper time.

You seem to think that when somone gets one thing correct then they
are correct on everything else. That is another mistake you make all
the time when it is to your advantage

What he wrote in that box is the derivative along the curve. The
derivative along a curve is not the covariant derivative. The author
of that document is being careless. And that's a fact. Not an opinion.


I didn't say whether or not everything was right. I am saying that he said that
right. It is the covariant derivative of the four-vector with respect to proper
time. Now meet the challenge, post the title and write the equation.

(WaiteDavid137) wrote in message ...
Subject: Covariant vs Absolute Derivative
From: (Gauge)
Date: 10/17/03 6:50 AM US Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:

(WaiteDavid137) wrote in message
...
"Pmb" wrote in message
If you had any understanding of the covariant derivative at all then
you'd know that made a slip and I readlly meant "That's not the
covariant derivative Ken. That's the absolute derivative." I.e. I
left
out the word "the" which is obvious to everyone.

(WaiteDavid137) wrote
By saying this, you are still arguing that only the covariant partial
derivative is covariant. The covariant total derivative is also a
covariant
derivative. Saying "the" covariant derivative could actually refer to
either
one.

Well its quite clear that you are unable to understand the difference
between a proper name and an adjective.


It is the proper name because it is the proper adjective, but at least
you're
starting to backpeddle on your stance that it is not a covariant
derivative!

You're unbelievable waite. D/dT is not the "covariant derivative."
When are you going to get that through that thick head of yours?

Since you seem to like the following relativity related document,

why don't you write out here so everyone can see the title of Proposition
8.2
and the formula in the box at the link.
http://people.hofstra.edu/faculty/St...s/DiffGeom.pdf
It happens the formula for calculating the total covariant derivative of a
four-vector with respect to proper time.

You seem to think that when somone gets one thing correct then they
are correct on everything else. That is another mistake you make all
the time when it is to your advantage

What he wrote in that box is the derivative along the curve. The
derivative along a curve is not the covariant derivative. The author
of that document is being careless. And that's a fact. Not an opinion.


I didn't say whether or not everything was right. I am saying that he said that
right. It is the covariant derivative of the four-vector with respect to proper
time. Now meet the challenge, post the title and write the equation.

Title to what. What equation. The title of the document that I just
posted a ling to? The equation for the absolute derivative which you
incorrectly call the covariant derivative. The doc is above and is
called

"Introduction to Differential Geometry & General Relativity,"

The derivative is the the absolute derivative and is at

http://www.geocities.com/physics_wor...grav_force.htm

Under the CORRECT name "Absolute Derivative"

Quit while you're behind

Subject: Covariant vs Absolute Derivative
From: (Gauge)
Date: 10/17/03 2:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:

(WaiteDavid137) wrote in message
...
Subject: Covariant vs Absolute Derivative
From: (Gauge)
Date: 10/17/03 6:50 AM US Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:

(WaiteDavid137) wrote in message
...
"Pmb" wrote in message
If you had any understanding of the covariant derivative at all
then
you'd know that made a slip and I readlly meant "That's not the
covariant derivative Ken. That's the absolute derivative." I.e. I
left
out the word "the" which is obvious to everyone.

(WaiteDavid137) wrote
By saying this, you are still arguing that only the covariant
partial
derivative is covariant. The covariant total derivative is also a
covariant
derivative. Saying "the" covariant derivative could actually refer
to
either
one.

Well its quite clear that you are unable to understand the
difference
between a proper name and an adjective.


It is the proper name because it is the proper adjective, but at
least
you're
starting to backpeddle on your stance that it is not a covariant
derivative!

You're unbelievable waite. D/dT is not the "covariant derivative."
When are you going to get that through that thick head of yours?

Since you seem to like the following relativity related document,

why don't you write out here so everyone can see the title of
Proposition
8.2
and the formula in the box at the link.

http://people.hofstra.edu/faculty/St...s/DiffGeom.pdf
It happens the formula for calculating the total covariant derivative of
a
four-vector with respect to proper time.

You seem to think that when somone gets one thing correct then they
are correct on everything else. That is another mistake you make all
the time when it is to your advantage

What he wrote in that box is the derivative along the curve. The
derivative along a curve is not the covariant derivative. The author
of that document is being careless. And that's a fact. Not an opinion.


I didn't say whether or not everything was right. I am saying that he said
that
right. It is the covariant derivative of the four-vector with respect to
proper
time. Now meet the challenge, post the title and write the equation.

Title to what. What equation.

The title and equation to the proposition that I clearly stated which you just
snipped.


http://www.geocities.com/physics_wor...grav_force.htm


Your crank site is not a valid reference. For modern relativity see-
http://www.geocities.com/zcphysicsms/

(WaiteDavid137) wrote in message ...
Subject: Covariant vs Absolute Derivative
From: (Gauge)
Date: 10/17/03 2:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:

(WaiteDavid137) wrote in message
...
Subject: Covariant vs Absolute Derivative
From: (Gauge)
Date: 10/17/03 6:50 AM US Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:

(WaiteDavid137) wrote in message
...
"Pmb" wrote in message
If you had any understanding of the covariant derivative at all
then
you'd know that made a slip and I readlly meant "That's not the
covariant derivative Ken. That's the absolute derivative." I.e. I
left
out the word "the" which is obvious to everyone.

(WaiteDavid137) wrote
By saying this, you are still arguing that only the covariant
partial
derivative is covariant. The covariant total derivative is also a
covariant
derivative. Saying "the" covariant derivative could actually refer
to
either
one.

Well its quite clear that you are unable to understand the
difference
between a proper name and an adjective.


It is the proper name because it is the proper adjective, but at
least
you're
starting to backpeddle on your stance that it is not a covariant
derivative!

You're unbelievable waite. D/dT is not the "covariant derivative."
When are you going to get that through that thick head of yours?

Since you seem to like the following relativity related document,

why don't you write out here so everyone can see the title of
Proposition
8.2
and the formula in the box at the link.

http://people.hofstra.edu/faculty/St...s/DiffGeom.pdf
It happens the formula for calculating the total covariant derivative of
a
four-vector with respect to proper time.

You seem to think that when somone gets one thing correct then they
are correct on everything else. That is another mistake you make all
the time when it is to your advantage

What he wrote in that box is the derivative along the curve. The
derivative along a curve is not the covariant derivative. The author
of that document is being careless. And that's a fact. Not an opinion.


I didn't say whether or not everything was right. I am saying that he said
that
right. It is the covariant derivative of the four-vector with respect to
proper
time. Now meet the challenge, post the title and write the equation.

Title to what. What equation.

The title and equation to the proposition that I clearly stated which you just
snipped.

You sure are a mentally disturbed person. I told you the author made a
mistake. I've e-mailed him. I'll pass the response to this thread. I
got a response from a very well known GRist who, like I, said that the
author was very careless in saying that. Just like you who are always
careless.

But fine - the child challenges me to copy one thing to here. I'll
give the baby his pacifier. However you refuse to do what you're
always challenging me to do. That's why you're a coward. Like MTW and
their definition of covariant derivative and derivative along the
curve - you're too damn scared to post that definition aren't you
weasle?

------------------------------------
Proposition 8.2 (Formula for Covariant Derivative)

DX^i/dt = dX^i/dt {i pq} X^p dx^q/dt
------------------------------------

Will I now hear happy gurgling sounds fwom widdle davykins?

By the way. I did ask certain experts if you could e-mail them on
certain things. They said no. They said they have no time for people
who will not learn things like the difference between a general tensor
and a Lorentz tensor. I agree with him.

[crackpot parroting snipped]

Seek help waite

Subject: Covariant vs Absolute Derivative
From: (Gauge)
Date: 10/18/2003 7:37 AM US Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:

(WaiteDavid137) wrote in message
...
Subject: Covariant vs Absolute Derivative
From: (Gauge)
Date: 10/17/03 2:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:

(WaiteDavid137) wrote in message
...
Subject: Covariant vs Absolute Derivative
From: (Gauge)
Date: 10/17/03 6:50 AM US Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:

(WaiteDavid137) wrote in message
...
"Pmb" wrote in message
If you had any understanding of the covariant derivative at
all
then
you'd know that made a slip and I readlly meant "That's not
the
covariant derivative Ken. That's the absolute derivative."
I.e. I
left
out the word "the" which is obvious to everyone.

(WaiteDavid137) wrote
By saying this, you are still arguing that only the covariant
partial
derivative is covariant. The covariant total derivative is also
a
covariant
derivative. Saying "the" covariant derivative could actually
refer
to
either
one.

Well its quite clear that you are unable to understand the
difference
between a proper name and an adjective.


It is the proper name because it is the proper adjective, but at
least
you're
starting to backpeddle on your stance that it is not a covariant
derivative!

You're unbelievable waite. D/dT is not the "covariant derivative."
When are you going to get that through that thick head of yours?

Since you seem to like the following relativity related document,

why don't you write out here so everyone can see the title of
Proposition
8.2
and the formula in the box at the link.

http://people.hofstra.edu/faculty/St...s/DiffGeom.pdf
It happens the formula for calculating the total covariant derivative
of
a
four-vector with respect to proper time.

Subject: Covariant vs Absolute Derivative
From: (Gauge)
Date: 10/18/2003 7:37 AM US Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:

(WaiteDavid137) wrote in message
...
Subject: Covariant vs Absolute Derivative
From: (Gauge)
Date: 10/17/03 2:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:

(WaiteDavid137) wrote in message
...
Subject: Covariant vs Absolute Derivative
From: (Gauge)
Date: 10/17/03 6:50 AM US Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:

(WaiteDavid137) wrote in message
...
"Pmb" wrote in message
If you had any understanding of the covariant derivative at
all
then
you'd know that made a slip and I readlly meant "That's not
the
covariant derivative Ken. That's the absolute derivative."
I.e. I
left
out the word "the" which is obvious to everyone.

(WaiteDavid137) wrote
By saying this, you are still arguing that only the covariant
partial
derivative is covariant. The covariant total derivative is also
a
covariant
derivative. Saying "the" covariant derivative could actually
refer
to
either
one.

Well its quite clear that you are unable to understand the
difference
between a proper name and an adjective.


It is the proper name because it is the proper adjective, but at
least
you're
starting to backpeddle on your stance that it is not a covariant
derivative!

You're unbelievable waite. D/dT is not the "covariant derivative."
When are you going to get that through that thick head of yours?

Since you seem to like the following relativity related document,

why don't you write out here so everyone can see the title of
Proposition
8.2
and the formula in the box at the link.

http://people.hofstra.edu/faculty/St...s/DiffGeom.pdf
It happens the formula for calculating the total covariant derivative
of
a
four-vector with respect to proper time.

------------------------------------
Proposition 8.2 (Formula for Covariant Derivative)

DX^i/dt = dX^i/dt {i pq} X^p dx^q/dt
------------------------------------

See. That is the total covariant derivative of a four-vector, just like I said
and just like you denied.



I did ask certain experts if you could e-mail them on
certain things. They said no. They said they have no time for people
who will not learn things like the difference between a general tensor
and a Lorentz tensor.

You are a liar. More than likely if you emailed any expert which I doubt they
told you that YOU could no longer email them.

(WaiteDavid137) wrote


See. That is the total covariant derivative of a four-vector, just like I said
and just like you denied.

Both you and the author are wrong. And you can't even pay attention to
learn the correct math

[waite's paranoid delusions snipped]

(WaiteDavid137) wrote [paranoid delusions]

Polly want a cracker?