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Y.Porat:

anyway
do you want a gues of mine about the expected results?

Not really.
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you dont want my prediction,

actually you are afraied of my prediction and it is obvious why!!
anyway, wether you want it or not - it is already in my previous
thred
*and it is recorded*!

We don't want you're prediction because it is annoying and irrelevant.
Sometimes it's just nice to have a little kook-free quiet time.
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1 who on earth nominated you as the 'kook' degree nominator?

2 what do you think is the perpous of such a publik ng
to hear only *what you *believe in* and nothing else?

3 did it ever occured to you that there is the slightest
probability that your believes or theories are wrong?

4 did it ever occured to you that some of the existing theories
are enourmous waist of time and resourses?
no not a chance that you ever thought about it.
you are a poor parrot.and not tolrable to anything but your 'clan'
one prediction for you:
(imho) you with such a state of mind can never be a significant
scintist.

all the best
Y.Porat
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sorry for that, mr porat, but i also can not agree with that.
science is made, because people want to know what they are
made of.
if you call the search for qgp a waste of time, then you would
probably also have called the search for atoms, protons and
neutrons for a waste of time, but if we dont understand the parts
of matter, we wont understand the matter.
never the less, there are clear hints for qgp, which is almost
discovered by the lower sqrt(s)-energys at rhic. there are no
meanful doubts about the existing of an qgp-state. lhc and
especial alice is more about learning about the behaviour of
qgp. and this is done, because people want to know and not
because you can sell it an make lots of money or sth like that.
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ok in principle you are absolutely right
people have a full right to believe and do whatever reaseach
they like
all i wanted to say is that i have a prediction
that this progect is going to fail
no gluons will be found not to mention that people even dont know
what thjose gluons are!.
i think it is even my duty, to warn before hand what is
my prediction, so that no one will be able that i didnt warn
and predict it.
i even bring another direction for that resarch
i claim that looking for electron positrons compexes and compounds
is more realistic.

all the best
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat wrote:
(Bilge) wrote in message ...

Y.Porat:
(Gordon D. Pusch) wrote in message
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"Jeremy" writes:
What about Quark-Gluon plasma? Does this not contain free quarks?

Depends on what you mean by ``free.'' They are ``free'' to wander
about through the volume of the quark-gluon plasma (``quagma'')
rather than spending most of their time in ``nucleon'' states
that only occassionally swap ``valance'' quarks; however,
they are _not_ free to leave the interior of the ``quagma.''
-- Gordon D. Pusch
perl -e '$_ = \n"; s/NO\.//; s/SPAM\.//; print;'
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so may be you can tell us
where can we find experimentaly a 'quark gluon plasma'
in which you can see that there are quarks there
and in addition there are 'gluons' there??

Experiments are being constructed expressly for that purpose at
this very moment. See: http://alice.web.cern.ch/Alice/html/intro/,
for example or check to see what experiments are underway at
jefferson lab.
------------------

Perhaps a bit of philosophy or mythology is needed to understand why
these fellows, gluon-quark pairs, stick together so forcefully. Let's
assign operator status to one and information array status to the other.
It works this way, the operator exists between time frames to annihilate
a previous array or to create the next frame array, so that the array
location annihilated must be exactly where the annihilation operator
erased its existence, or, for the creation operator it can only create
the next frame array in the location where it exists. So by logic there
is no choice. The perceptual take on this is that the operator-array
pair are stuck together with an "infinite force", while in reality it
isn't infinite at all, it is merely "logical". Commanded by GOD perhaps.
This description also supports the concept that time for these
particle pairs is quantized.

So I suppose my take has some attraction to the Y.Porat conclusion.

[Snip]
they are wasting their precious time and huge money!

even if they fing quarks or any invited 'gluon'
it has nothing to do with our everyday nucleids.
by artificial invited experiments, you can get nearly
anything you invite.

imho ,the only *convincing experiment* can be done
if you get it directly from the nucleid (Proton or neutron)
sort of (methaphorically) if you squash a lemon-
you get out of it -lemon grains- just as 'primitive' as that.
(even with a low probability)
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all the best
Y.Porat
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"Paul M. Koloc" wrote in message ...
Y.Porat wrote:
(Bilge) wrote in message ...

Y.Porat:
(Gordon D. Pusch) wrote in message
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"Jeremy" writes:
What about Quark-Gluon plasma? Does this not contain free quarks?


perl -e '$_ = \n"; s/NO\.//; s/SPAM\.//; print;'
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so may be you can tell us
where can we find experimentaly a 'quark gluon plasma'
in which you can see that there are quarks there
and in addition there are 'gluons' there??

Experiments are being constructed expressly for that purpose at
this very moment. See: http://alice.web.cern.ch/Alice/html/intro/,
for example or check to see what experiments are underway at
jefferson lab.
------------------

Perhaps a bit of philosophy or mythology is needed to understand why
these fellows, gluon-quark pairs, stick together so forcefully. Let's
assign operator status to one and information array status to the other.
It works this way, the operator exists between time frames to annihilate
a previous array or to create the next frame array, so that the array
location annihilated must be exactly where the annihilation operator
erased its existence, or, for the creation operator it can only create
the next frame array in the location where it exists. So by logic there
is no choice. The perceptual take on this is that the operator-array
pair are stuck together with an "infinite force", while in reality it
isn't infinite at all, it is merely "logical". Commanded by GOD perhaps.
This description also supports the concept that time for these
particle pairs is quantized.

So I suppose my take has some attraction to the Y.Porat conclusion.

[Snip]
they are wasting their precious time and huge money!

even if they fing quarks or any invited 'gluon'
it has nothing to do with our everyday nucleids.
by artificial invited experiments, you can get nearly
anything you invite.

imho ,the only *convincing experiment* can be done
if you get it directly from the nucleid (Proton or neutron)
sort of (methaphorically) if you squash a lemon-
you get out of it -lemon grains- just as 'primitive' as that.
(even with a low probability)
------------
all the best
Y.Porat
-----------------
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Paul
lets take a little thinking experiment
and the naswer to it must be honest:
suppose that we (me and you ) were suggesting the above theory
and all those explanations (billions of explanations !)
around it
now the question is :
what would be the reaction of the 'extablishment people'
to our 'story'?
i think there is no need to more expalnations !
ther cannot be double standards of reliability
to people who 'come from the establishment' and in addition
gather around themselves some charisma
and on the other hand diffent cryterial fore the 'outsiders'
i will anser for you the above question of mine.
at the good case it will be a masterpeace of a joke:
Gluons that are many fold bigger than the quarks they are
'glueing'
it is a nonstarter for anyone who hase the basic physics
experience and sense.
just a nonstarter!
now the amazing thing is how difficult it is to explain it
to people who consider themselves physicists.
(probably belongs to sociology to psychlogy or to God knows
all- except physics.)

all the best
Y.Porat
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:11:03 -0500, "Paul M. Koloc"
wrote or quoted :

The perceptual take on this is that the operator-array
pair are stuck together with an "infinite force", while in reality it
isn't infinite at all, it is merely "logical".

Do you really mean "infinite" or merely bigger than any force we could
hope to overcome with technology in the next 1000 years?

--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.

Roedy Green wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:11:03 -0500, "Paul M. Koloc"
wrote or quoted :

The perceptual take on this is that the operator-array
pair are stuck together with an "infinite force", while in reality it
isn't infinite at all, it is merely "logical".

Do you really mean "infinite" or merely bigger than any force we could
hope to overcome with technology in the next 1000 years?
----------------
with that pretext of 'infinite forcess' you can
hide beneath it any theory you wish
sort of :
i have a magic box-
inside that box i have 2 diamonds and 4 jewels
dont you belive me ?

but there is some little problem with that:
that box can never be opened.
do you still dont beleave me ? shame on you!.
now seriously:
the 3 quarks story is a nonstarter just by acumulative
experimental facts and basic physical sense:
quarkes are less than 10 percent of the nucleids mass
in such a case they cannot be the 'main hero of the nucleid.
now you say 'Gluons' that another way of cheating
a messenger cannot be stronger than the entity that was sending it !!!
is that so difficult to understand?
do you have to be a professor of physics in order to understand it ??
now the practial conclusion:
any big money investment on it is close to a crime.
(once knowing from start and being warned about it- that it is
a nonstarter.)
----------
all the best
Y.porat
----------

Roedy Green wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:11:03 -0500, "Paul M. Koloc"
wrote or quoted :

The perceptual take on this is that the operator-array
pair are stuck together with an "infinite force", while in reality it
isn't infinite at all, it is merely "logical".

Do you really mean "infinite" or merely bigger than any force we could
hope to overcome with technology in the next 1000 years?

Until the experiment comes along whose momentum transfer is large enough
to break them apart so that they might be separately observed, I guess
we will just have to wait. If after a few colossal hits the pair fails
to show themselves separated, then we can say "it's logical or it's the
law". All mythology must eventually meet a critical test.

--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.

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Some supermarket chain may give a free quark with some other stuff one day.
The probability is thus not completely zero.

Only a trillionth of a second after the big bang free quarks existed.
You would think they would form the nuclei of neutrons at the first
blink of time but this is not the case . Blackholes is what quarks
created first These blackhole ring our universe(make up its horizon.)
This is shown to us inside the universe as all is attracted to these
blackholes at an accelerating rate that only gravity has. Bert

"Paul M. Koloc" wrote in message ...
Y.Porat wrote:
(Bilge) wrote in message ...

Y.Porat:
(Gordon D. Pusch) wrote in message
...
"Jeremy" writes:
What about Quark-Gluon plasma? Does this not contain free quarks?

Depends on what you mean by ``free.'' They are ``free'' to wander
about through the volume of the quark-gluon plasma (``quagma'')
rather than spending most of their time in ``nucleon'' states
that only occassionally swap ``valance'' quarks; however,
they are _not_ free to leave the interior of the ``quagma.''
-- Gordon D. Pusch
perl -e '$_ = \n"; s/NO\.//; s/SPAM\.//; print;'
-------------------------
see 'the Sixth Porat Postulate' (a google search)
all the best
Y.Porat
--------------------------
-------------------
so may be you can tell us
where can we find experimentaly a 'quark gluon plasma'
in which you can see that there are quarks there
and in addition there are 'gluons' there??

Experiments are being constructed expressly for that purpose at
this very moment. See: http://alice.web.cern.ch/Alice/html/intro/,
for example or check to see what experiments are underway at
jefferson lab.
------------------

Perhaps a bit of philosophy or mythology is needed to understand why
these fellows, gluon-quark pairs, stick together so forcefully. Let's
assign operator status to one and information array status to the other.
It works this way, the operator exists between time frames to annihilate
a previous array or to create the next frame array, so that the array
location annihilated must be exactly where the annihilation operator
erased its existence, or, for the creation operator it can only create
the next frame array in the location where it exists. So by logic there
is no choice. The perceptual take on this is that the operator-array
pair are stuck together with an "infinite force", while in reality it
isn't infinite at all, it is merely "logical". Commanded by GOD perhaps.
This description also supports the concept that time for these
particle pairs is quantized.

So I suppose my take has some attraction to the Y.Porat conclusion.

[Snip]
they are wasting their precious time and huge money!

even if they fing quarks or any invited 'gluon'
it has nothing to do with our everyday nucleids.
by artificial invited experiments, you can get nearly
anything you invite.

imho ,the only *convincing experiment* can be done
if you get it directly from the nucleid (Proton or neutron)
sort of (methaphorically) if you squash a lemon-
you get out of it -lemon grains- just as 'primitive' as that.
(even with a low probability)
------------
all the best
Y.Porat
-----------------
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