You wrote:

I was in my school's library yesterday and I thought about that story on your website about the possibilty of Einstein being a hoax. I found an aritcle written in German from an Austrian magazine on microfilm from the 1960's talking about the same thing.

My concern is that people talking about an Einstein Hoax are often
anti-Semetic. I am not anti-Semetic at all. However, when I went to
the University of California at Berkeley, I started out as a physics
major. My professor, who was one of the world's leading physicists,
felt that Einstein had not made an important or a significant
contribution to physics. I am influenced by that opinion.

Sam Sloan wrote:

Was Albert Einstein a hoax?

Articles have been appearing all over the Internet asserting that Albert Einstein was a hoax. I have always been troubled by the thought that any one man, regardless of how brilliant or exceptional, could be head and shoulders above all of the other men of his time. Since I have long doubted that Albert Einstein could possibly be the greatest genius that he is made out to be, I find the theory interesting. I have also been wondering why Einstein became so famous, whereas other great scientists remained virtually unknown.

The basic idea is this: Einstein was a poor student, of average
ability. He even failed seventh grade math. There was nothing
exceptional about his ability or accomplishments, until he got a job
as a low level clerk in the patent office in Bern, Switzerland.

It was during the period that Albert Einstein worked in the patent
office that he produced the greatest works of genius in the history of
humanity. Does this not strike anybody as strange?

The claim is made that by working in the patent office, Albert
Einstein had access to secret documents submitted by the leading
scientists of his day. Albert Einstein essentially cut and pasted
together these secret documents and published them as his own work.
The scientists could hardly complain, as they had patent applications
pending in his patent office.

Here are a few basic facts:

The Encyclopedia Britannica says of Einstein's early education that he
"showed little scholastic ability." It also says that at the age of
15, "with poor grades in history, geography, and languages, he left
school with no diploma." Einstein himself wrote in a school paper of
his "lack of imagination and practical ability." In 1895, Einstein
failed a simple entrance exam to an engineering school in Zurich. This
exam consisted mainly of mathematical problems, and Einstein showed
himself to be mathematically inept in this exam. He then entered a
lesser school hoping to use it as a stepping stone to the engineering
school he could not get into, but after graduating in 1900, he still
could not get a position at the engineering school! Unable to go to
the school as he had wanted, he got a job at the patent office in
Bern.

In 1905, Einstein published his four ground-breaking papers. Still, he
could not get a job in the university, although he applied several
times, and he stayed in the patent office and continued to work there
until 1909.

None of the ideas of Albert Einstein were completely new. He drew on
the works of James Maxwell and Max Planck. No less an authority than
Stephen Hawking has said that none of the works of Einstein were
original. Hawking provides a list of names of scientists, all of whom
are unknown to the general public today, but who had the ideas now
associated with Einstein before Einstein had them.

This, however, is hardly conclusive. The mark of every great thinker
is that he takes the ideas of others before him, combines them
together, improves and comes out with a unified theory. If that is
what Einstein did, then he fully deserves his reputation of being the
greatest genius in human history.

On the other hand, if he simply copied in his own hand works written
by others, then he probably does not deserve the reputation he enjoys.

Here are some curious facts:

After he died, the brain of Albert Einstein was taken out, preserved
and studied. It is still in a glass jar somewhere. Scientists who have
studied the brain say that it appears to be an average brain, no
different from many others.

A nanny named Alice, who took care of me when I was a little boy, said
that she knew Albert Einstein. She used to live in Princeton, New
Jersey and he would walk by her house on the way to work every
morning. She said that he appeared to be a very unexceptional and
average man. She had heard but could hardly believe that he could be a
great genius.

Albert Einstein had several children, one of whom he gave away for
adoption. For a number of years, his descendants have been fighting a
court case in the San Francisco Bay Area over the ownership of the
original papers of Albert Einstein. I know one of the lawyers in that
case. The case is still going on. None of the children of Albert
Einstein are in any way exceptional. One is an invalid. The one that
is an invalid wants the original papers of Albert Einstein sold at
public auction, where they will fetch millions of dollars. Other
descendants are opposed to the sale or even the photocopying of the
original documents. Examination of the original hand written papers of
Albert Einstein might provide clues as to whether he wrote them or
merely copied them. Typically, original works contain a lot of
cross-outs, re-writes and changes in the text, whereas copies do not.

I personally do not have an opinion on any of this. I merely think
that it raises new questions which have not been asked before.

Sam Sloan
http://www.samsloan.com/einstein.htm

Nonsense.

If Einstein couldn't function on this rarefied level in physics, he would have
been exposed long before he was a professor at Princeton. All science builds
upon the work of others.

This is not the first time you've floated this thread, Sam.
What's the point??

_-_-bear

Sam Sloan wrote:

You wrote:

I was in my school's library yesterday and I thought about that story on your website about the possibilty of Einstein being a hoax. I found an aritcle written in German from an Austrian magazine on microfilm from the 1960's talking about the same thing.

My concern is that people talking about an Einstein Hoax are often
anti-Semetic. I am not anti-Semetic at all. However, when I went to
the University of California at Berkeley, I started out as a physics
major. My professor, who was one of the world's leading physicists,
felt that Einstein had not made an important or a significant
contribution to physics. I am influenced by that opinion.

snip




Sam Sloan
http://www.samsloan.com/einstein.htm

I have it on good authority that Einstein was a real person that did
physics.

--
"Do I believe in the Bible? Hell, man, I've even seen one!"

All your base are belong to us!
Someone set us up the bomb!

Or am I, too, talking about the wrong game here?
--
Jim Gillogly
Mersday, 24 Wedmath S.R. 2003, 23:49
12.19.10.9.3, 6 Akbal 11 Yaxkin, Third Lord of Night

Dear Sam Sloan:

"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
...
....
My concern is that people talking about an Einstein Hoax are often
anti-Semetic. I am not anti-Semetic at all.

You can't spell either.

....
The basic idea is this: Einstein was a poor student, of average
ability. He even failed seventh grade math.

He was an exceptional student. He was dating the first Mrs. Einstein at
the time.

Here are a few basic facts:

You don't know any.

David A. Smith

(Sam Sloan) wrote in message ...
You wrote:

I was in my school's library yesterday and I thought about that story on your website about the possibilty of Einstein being a hoax. I found an aritcle written in German from an Austrian magazine on microfilm from the 1960's talking about the same thing.

My concern is that people talking about an Einstein Hoax are often
anti-Semetic. I am not anti-Semetic at all. However, when I went to
the University of California at Berkeley, I started out as a physics
major. My professor, who was one of the world's leading physicists,
felt that Einstein had not made an important or a significant
contribution to physics. I am influenced by that opinion.

But California Professors feel that way about a lot of Physics.
The rest of us are here to remind them that neither UCB
not any California schools should worry about it that much.
Since California doesn't hire Physicists or Scientists, it
only hires Astrologers and Astronomers, to begin with.



Sam Sloan wrote:

Was Albert Einstein a hoax?

Yes Einstein was a hoax. He hoaxed California, Germany, France,
and all other Euro ****head Scientists and their Wannabees Proteges,
including Newton the Neutron Man, and the Useless Ivy League,
and all other Quantum Probalibility Theory Dork ****heads into
submission.
He had a little bit of help from Von Neumann, but mathematicians
know that. And they also know that some Chemists have non-zero
IQ's, and some are Government Employees.


Articles have been appearing all over the Internet asserting that Albert Einstein was a hoax. I have always been troubled by the thought that any one man, regardless of how brilliant or exceptional, could be head and shoulders above all of the other men of his time.

Knowbody ever said that he was head and shoulders above all other
men.
He quite obviously had a little bit of help from Lorentz, Michelson &
Morley
(although Physicists will claim that he didn't), Riemann, Gauss,
Euclid, Goedel, and Darwin.

Since I have long doubted that Albert Einstein could possibly be the
greatest genius that he is made out to be, I find the theory
interesting.

Well, you should doubt that. Since if you ever read any of
*Einstein's*
writings, you would know what his opinion was of mathematicians
and their genius theories.

I have also been wondering why Einstein became so famous, whereas other great scientists remained virtually unknown.

He became so famous because Nobel and Edison made him famous.
All other scientists are just loser dorks.


The basic idea is this: Einstein was a poor student, of average
ability. He even failed seventh grade math. There was nothing
exceptional about his ability or accomplishments, until he got a job
as a low level clerk in the patent office in Bern, Switzerland.

It was during the period that Albert Einstein worked in the patent
office that he produced the greatest works of genius in the history of
humanity. Does this not strike anybody as strange?

No. Since if you read any history, you would have noticed
that Einstein was a *Swiss* Patent clerk, not a
German Patent clerk.


The claim is made that by working in the patent office, Albert
Einstein had access to secret documents submitted by the leading
scientists of his day. Albert Einstein essentially cut and pasted
together these secret documents and published them as his own work.
The scientists could hardly complain, as they had patent applications
pending in his patent office.

Here are a few basic facts:

The Encyclopedia Britannica says

But the Encyclopedia Britannica says a lot of things --
like the British understand English.


of Einstein's early education that he
"showed little scholastic ability." It also says that at the age of
15, "with poor grades in history, geography, and languages, he left
school with no diploma." Einstein himself wrote in a school paper of
his "lack of imagination and practical ability." In 1895, Einstein
failed a simple entrance exam to an engineering school in Zurich. This
exam consisted mainly of mathematical problems, and Einstein showed
himself to be mathematically inept in this exam. He then entered a
lesser school hoping to use it as a stepping stone to the engineering
school he could not get into, but after graduating in 1900, he still
could not get a position at the engineering school! Unable to go to
the school as he had wanted, he got a job at the patent office in
Bern.

In 1905, Einstein published his four ground-breaking papers. Still, he
could not get a job in the university, although he applied several
times, and he stayed in the patent office and continued to work there
until 1909.

None of the ideas of Albert Einstein were completely new. He drew on
the works of James Maxwell

Everybody draws on the work of Maxwell, so that's redundent.

and Max Planck. No less an authority than
Stephen Hawking has said that none of the works of Einstein were
original.

But Hawking only says that, since he's a Time Theorist,
and believes that Time exists, unlike Einstein.


Hawking provides a list of names of scientists, all of whom
are unknown to the general public today, but who had the ideas now
associated with Einstein before Einstein had them.

This, however, is hardly conclusive. The mark of every great thinker
is that he takes the ideas of others before him, combines them
together, improves and comes out with a unified theory. If that is
what Einstein did, then he fully deserves his reputation of being the
greatest genius in human history.

Hardly the Greatest Genius in Human History. Since he followed
dutifully in the footsteps of other Giants of Science, and knew
just about zero about history.


On the other hand, if he simply copied in his own hand works written
by others, then he probably does not deserve the reputation he enjoys.

Here are some curious facts:

After he died, the brain of Albert Einstein was taken out, preserved
and studied. It is still in a glass jar somewhere. Scientists who have
studied the brain say that it appears to be an average brain, no
different from many others.

It was known when he was ten years old, that Einstein's
brain was very different from the average brain,
since he had dyslexia.


A nanny named Alice, who took care of me when I was a little boy, said
that she knew Albert Einstein. She used to live in Princeton, New
Jersey and he would walk by her house on the way to work every
morning. She said that he appeared to be a very unexceptional and
average man. She had heard but could hardly believe that he could be a
great genius.

Albert Einstein had several children, one of whom he gave away for
adoption. For a number of years, his descendants have been fighting a
court case in the San Francisco Bay Area over the ownership of the
original papers of Albert Einstein. I know one of the lawyers in that
case. The case is still going on. None of the children of Albert
Einstein are in any way exceptional. One is an invalid. The one that
is an invalid wants the original papers of Albert Einstein sold at
public auction, where they will fetch millions of dollars. Other
descendants are opposed to the sale or even the photocopying of the
original documents. Examination of the original hand written papers of
Albert Einstein might provide clues as to whether he wrote them or
merely copied them. Typically, original works contain a lot of
cross-outs, re-writes and changes in the text, whereas copies do not.

I personally do not have an opinion on any of this. I merely think
that it raises new questions which have not been asked before.

All historic documents raise the same questions though,
so it's nothing knew.


Sam Sloan
http://www.samsloan.com/einstein.htm

Sam Sloan wrote in message
...
You wrote:
The claim is made that by working in the patent office, Albert
Einstein had access to secret documents submitted by the leading
scientists of his day. Albert Einstein essentially cut and pasted
together these secret documents and published them as his own work.
The scientists could hardly complain, as they had patent applications
pending in his patent office.


The claim is basically horse****. To the best of my knowledge, none of the
scientists that would be relevant to such a claim (Lorentz, Fitzgerald, and
latterly people like Hilbert) ever submitted their scientific research to a
patent office, least of all one in Berne. The idea is quite obviously
preposterous.

I don't believe that anyone who is familiar with the events leading up to
the publication of the Special Theory would claim that Einstein was entirely
responsible for its development. Indeed, there's a school of thought which
suggests Lorentz is the one who should properly be credited with the
discovery of special relativity. However valid this position may be,
Einstein's work on Brownian motion and the photoelectric effect, for which
he was subsequently awarded the Nobel prize, was undoubtedly the produce of
his genius.

Furthermore, credit for the development of the General Theory is rightly
given to Einstein; apart from Hilbert introducing his now-famous
gravitational action (almost) independently of Einstein, and Schwarszchild's
derivation of the first physically-meaningful solution of the field
equations, the entire theory can be attributed to Einstein's work.

Doesn't anyone think it's strange that, if he really was a fraud, we've
never heard any respectible scientist mention it? The rest of your post is
scurrulous horse****, deserving only of a quick piping to /dev/null.

davidoff404

ZZBunker wrote in message
om...

snip

It's a comforting thought that in this age of wonderous computer technology
which affords mankind the ability to access oceans of knowledge and
communicate with one another at unheard of speed and convenience, that there
are still ill-informed ****heads out there who will spout nonsense at every
available opportunity.

Give a man a fish and he can eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he can
eat for a lifetime. Give a man a computer with access to usenet, however,
and watch him devolve into an ape before your very eyes.

Posting this type of contrarian's thought is a no-no. As you can tell,
there are dozens of "thought Gestapo's" patrolling the internet just to cut
down on these type of thoughts.

As you have already known, they all defend Einstein's personality as a god
and His hypothesis as a bible, and yet, none of them even tried to
understand Einstein's works nor the other greater scientists He alleged to
have stolen works from. For example, about two months ago, I was engaged in
this same topic of discussion with some Mr. LeChevalier. He presented
Einstein's first year lecture notes in Physics as a proof of Einstein's
Godly genius. I actually flipped though some 40+ pages of scribbles and
gibberishes. There were a few topics which I recognize off hand such as
Kirkchoff's Laws, etc. However, in my opinion, it was a very **** poor
lecture note to start with, even for a first year undergrad.

Despite all this, I do still see some ingenuity of Einstein's works such as
the General Relativity and the subject that won 1921 Nobel prize for Him.
However, He should be credited with only half of that work based on Planck
and Boltzmann. Einstein carried slightly a little bit further to explain
what might be obvious in Planck's work yet that did not come from horse's
mouth. Back to the theory of General Relativity, it was certainly a mind
blowing piece of work. It beautifully explained several dilemmas in
experimental physics and astronomy (most likely out of coincidence and
luck). The idea is even more imaginative than any serious science fictions
until 1990's. Greg Bear topped Him with the Hexamon Nexus novels on that
one.

Einstein stole all the credits from Michelson, FitzGerald, Larmor, Lorentz,
Poincare, etc. Today, if some one asks me to vote for who the greatest
scientist of all time is, I would have to vote for James Maxwell. Einstein
Himself would not even be in the top 100 of my list.

Sam, if you excuse me, I will be running for cover. The Gestapo's are going
to come down on me very hard on this one. The best ones would go after my
spellings first.

* * *

"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
...
You wrote:

I was in my school's library yesterday and I thought about that story on
your website about the possibilty of Einstein being a hoax. I found an
aritcle written in German from an Austrian magazine on microfilm from the
1960's talking about the same thing.

My concern is that people talking about an Einstein Hoax are often
anti-Semetic. I am not anti-Semetic at all. However, when I went to
the University of California at Berkeley, I started out as a physics
major. My professor, who was one of the world's leading physicists,
felt that Einstein had not made an important or a significant
contribution to physics. I am influenced by that opinion.

Sam Sloan wrote:

Was Albert Einstein a hoax?

Articles have been appearing all over the Internet asserting that Albert
Einstein was a hoax. I have always been troubled by the thought that any one
man, regardless of how brilliant or exceptional, could be head and shoulders
above all of the other men of his time. Since I have long doubted that
Albert Einstein could possibly be the greatest genius that he is made out to
be, I find the theory interesting. I have also been wondering why Einstein
became so famous, whereas other great scientists remained virtually unknown.

The basic idea is this: Einstein was a poor student, of average
ability. He even failed seventh grade math. There was nothing
exceptional about his ability or accomplishments, until he got a job
as a low level clerk in the patent office in Bern, Switzerland.

It was during the period that Albert Einstein worked in the patent
office that he produced the greatest works of genius in the history of
humanity. Does this not strike anybody as strange?

The claim is made that by working in the patent office, Albert
Einstein had access to secret documents submitted by the leading
scientists of his day. Albert Einstein essentially cut and pasted
together these secret documents and published them as his own work.
The scientists could hardly complain, as they had patent applications
pending in his patent office.

Here are a few basic facts:

The Encyclopedia Britannica says of Einstein's early education that he
"showed little scholastic ability." It also says that at the age of
15, "with poor grades in history, geography, and languages, he left
school with no diploma." Einstein himself wrote in a school paper of
his "lack of imagination and practical ability." In 1895, Einstein
failed a simple entrance exam to an engineering school in Zurich. This
exam consisted mainly of mathematical problems, and Einstein showed
himself to be mathematically inept in this exam. He then entered a
lesser school hoping to use it as a stepping stone to the engineering
school he could not get into, but after graduating in 1900, he still
could not get a position at the engineering school! Unable to go to
the school as he had wanted, he got a job at the patent office in
Bern.

In 1905, Einstein published his four ground-breaking papers. Still, he
could not get a job in the university, although he applied several
times, and he stayed in the patent office and continued to work there
until 1909.

None of the ideas of Albert Einstein were completely new. He drew on
the works of James Maxwell and Max Planck. No less an authority than
Stephen Hawking has said that none of the works of Einstein were
original. Hawking provides a list of names of scientists, all of whom
are unknown to the general public today, but who had the ideas now
associated with Einstein before Einstein had them.

This, however, is hardly conclusive. The mark of every great thinker
is that he takes the ideas of others before him, combines them
together, improves and comes out with a unified theory. If that is
what Einstein did, then he fully deserves his reputation of being the
greatest genius in human history.

On the other hand, if he simply copied in his own hand works written
by others, then he probably does not deserve the reputation he enjoys.

Here are some curious facts:

After he died, the brain of Albert Einstein was taken out, preserved
and studied. It is still in a glass jar somewhere. Scientists who have
studied the brain say that it appears to be an average brain, no
different from many others.

A nanny named Alice, who took care of me when I was a little boy, said
that she knew Albert Einstein. She used to live in Princeton, New
Jersey and he would walk by her house on the way to work every
morning. She said that he appeared to be a very unexceptional and
average man. She had heard but could hardly believe that he could be a
great genius.

Albert Einstein had several children, one of whom he gave away for
adoption. For a number of years, his descendants have been fighting a
court case in the San Francisco Bay Area over the ownership of the
original papers of Albert Einstein. I know one of the lawyers in that
case. The case is still going on. None of the children of Albert
Einstein are in any way exceptional. One is an invalid. The one that
is an invalid wants the original papers of Albert Einstein sold at
public auction, where they will fetch millions of dollars. Other
descendants are opposed to the sale or even the photocopying of the
original documents. Examination of the original hand written papers of
Albert Einstein might provide clues as to whether he wrote them or
merely copied them. Typically, original works contain a lot of
cross-outs, re-writes and changes in the text, whereas copies do not.

I personally do not have an opinion on any of this. I merely think
that it raises new questions which have not been asked before.

Sam Sloan
http://www.samsloan.com/einstein.htm

ZZBunker:
(Sam Sloan) wrote in message
...

My concern is that people talking about an Einstein Hoax are often
anti-Semetic. I am not anti-Semetic at all. However, when I went to
the University of California at Berkeley, I started out as a physics
major. My professor, who was one of the world's leading physicists,
felt that Einstein had not made an important or a significant
contribution to physics. I am influenced by that opinion.

But California Professors feel that way about a lot of Physics.

First, you are responding to a troll. Notice that he doesn't name
the professor who allegedly told him this.

The rest of us are here to remind them that neither UCB
not any California schools should worry about it that much.
Since California doesn't hire Physicists or Scientists, it
only hires Astrologers and Astronomers, to begin with.

Second, you are out to lunch on this one. Berkeley has had
numerous nobel prize winners in physics: Lawrence, segre,
townes, alvarez and several others. The school as a whole
claims a total of 17 nobel laureates.