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Aether Question on Magnetic Force on Electric Charge.



 
 
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Old June 15th 08 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity
harry
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"Darwin123" wrote in message
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In terms of the aether theory, please explain the following.
1) The formula,
F=qV x B,
where F is the force vector on an electrical charge, q is the amount
of electrical charge, V is the velocity of the electrical charge, x is
the cross product and B is the magnetic field.
Note F, V and B are 3D vectors, q is a scalar, and x is a binary
vector operation.

I'll break question 1 down into less mathematical components.

2) When an electrical charged particle moves through a magnetic field,
why is the force vector perpendicular to the velocity vector?
3) When an electrical charged particle moves through a magnetic field,
why is the magnitude of the force proportional to the velocity?
4) Why is the magnitude of the force vector proportional to the
electrical charge at all?

I would appreciate any explanation based on the mechanical
properties of aether. I don't want an explanation directly based on
Maxwell's equations, except if you can connect the mechanical
properties of the aether to Maxwell's equations. I am not particularly
interested in space-time, cosmology, Big Bang, steady state or
inflationary cosmology. I am interested only in this obvious and
intuitive aether model of electromagnetic phenomena.


Did you look up Maxwell's model in his treaty? If I remember correctly, he
came to realize that there seem to be just too many models possible.
A more modern attempt is MIT's string-net theory
http://dao.mit.edu/8.08/chintr-bsn.pdf which sure looks interesting.

Harald

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On Jun 15, 3:42*pm, "harry"
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In terms of the aether theory, please explain the following.
1) The formula,
F=qV x B,
where F is the force vector on an electrical charge, q is the amount
of electrical charge, V is the velocity of the electrical charge, x is
the cross product and B is the magnetic field.
* *Note F, V and B are 3D vectors, q is a scalar, and x is a binary
vector operation.


I'll break question 1 down into less mathematical components.


2) When an electrical charged particle moves through a magnetic field,
why is the force vector perpendicular to the velocity vector?
3) When an electrical charged particle moves through a magnetic field,
why is the magnitude of the force proportional to the velocity?
4) Why is the magnitude of the force vector proportional to the
electrical charge at all?


* * * I would appreciate any explanation based on the mechanical
properties of aether. I don't want an explanation directly based on
Maxwell's equations, except if you can connect the mechanical
properties of the aether to Maxwell's equations. I am not particularly
interested in space-time, cosmology, Big Bang, steady state or
inflationary cosmology. I am interested only in this obvious and
intuitive aether model of electromagnetic phenomena.


Did you look up Maxwell's model in his treaty? If I remember correctly, he
came to realize that there seem to be just too many models possible.
A more modern attempt is MIT's string-net theoryhttp://dao.mit.edu/8.08/chintr-bsn.pdfwhich sure looks interesting.

Harald- Hide quoted text -

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Yes Harry, years ago while a graduate student, I did. Maxwell was not
the only scientist to question if the paradigm was absolute, and only
novices accept that it is.

Beware of MIT. It a dangerous place because it teached people how to
think analytically -- Not simply quote rote knowledge!!!! Cal Tech
and Chicago are equally evil influences and and instruments of the
Devil!!! Dorothy, get too close to any of these places and you won't
be in Kansas anymore. :-)

Harry C.



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On Jun 15, 3:42 pm, "harry"
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Did you look up Maxwell's model in his treaty? If I remember correctly, he
came to realize that there seem to be just too many models possible.

You mean he came to realize that the aether model was redundant?
The word redundant was used by Einstein to describe the aether
model. Lorentz like the word. He thought that was an important point
in Einstein's relativity.
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On Jun 15, 3:42 pm, "harry"
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"Darwin123" wrote in message

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In terms of the aether theory, please explain the following.
1) The formula,
F=qV x B,
where F is the force vector on an electrical charge, q is the amount
of electrical charge, V is the velocity of the electrical charge, x is
the cross product and B is the magnetic field.
Note F, V and B are 3D vectors, q is a scalar, and x is a binary
vector operation.


I'll break question 1 down into less mathematical components.


2) When an electrical charged particle moves through a magnetic field,
why is the force vector perpendicular to the velocity vector?
3) When an electrical charged particle moves through a magnetic field,
why is the magnitude of the force proportional to the velocity?
4) Why is the magnitude of the force vector proportional to the
electrical charge at all?


I would appreciate any explanation based on the mechanical
properties of aether. I don't want an explanation directly based on
Maxwell's equations, except if you can connect the mechanical
properties of the aether to Maxwell's equations. I am not particularly
interested in space-time, cosmology, Big Bang, steady state or
inflationary cosmology. I am interested only in this obvious and
intuitive aether model of electromagnetic phenomena.


Did you look up Maxwell's model in his treaty? If I remember correctly,
he
came to realize that there seem to be just too many models possible.
A more modern attempt is MIT's string-net
theory http://dao.mit.edu/8.08/chintr-bsn.pdf
which sure looks interesting.

Harald- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Yes Harry, years ago while a graduate student, I did. Maxwell was not
the only scientist to question if the paradigm was absolute, and only
novices accept that it is.


I'm not sure which paradigm you mean...

Beware of MIT. It a dangerous place because it teached people how to
think analytically -- Not simply quote rote knowledge!!!!


Good! Reminds me that Feynman was there - perhaps it's in part his "fault".
:-)

Harald


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On Jun 15, 3:42 pm, "harry"
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"Darwin123" wrote in message

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Did you look up Maxwell's model in his treaty? If I remember correctly,
he
came to realize that there seem to be just too many models possible.


You mean he came to realize that the aether model was redundant?


No. Would you mean that the Bohr model of the atom is "redundant"? It's the
wrong word, and even Einstein came to disagree with such an idea.

The word redundant was used by Einstein to describe the aether
model.


Perhaps you mean that a detailed ether model was redundant for deriving the
Lorentz transformations? Indeed, even Lorentz adopted Einstein's approach.

Lorentz like the word. He thought that was an important point
in Einstein's relativity.


Hmm... I never heard that - please give the reference.

Harald


 




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