Darwin123 wrote:

In terms of the aether theory,
[snip rest of crap]

http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031
Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf
No aether

http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/
http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2005-5/index.html
http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.0287
No Lorentz violation

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"Uncle Al" wrote in message
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Darwin123 wrote:

In terms of the aether theory,
[snip rest of crap]

http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031

You waste my time with that - can't you read?

[...]

http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/

"The page cannot be found "

http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2005-5/index.html
http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.0287
No Lorentz violation

F=qV x B is from Lorentz and does not violate Lorentz - can't you read?

Harald

On Jun 15, 3:33*pm, "harry"
wrote:
"Uncle Al" wrote in message

...

Darwin123 wrote:

In terms of the aether theory,
[snip rest of crap]

http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031

You waste my time with that - can't you read?

[...]

http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/

"The page cannot be found "

http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2005-5/index.html
http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.0287
No Lorentz violation

F=qV x B is from Lorentz and does not violate Lorentz - can't you read?

Harald

Actually Harold, Maxwell actually first published this relationship a
few years earlier than did Lorentz. I suspect that it predates even
Maxwell, so perhaps someone else will research it's earliest origins
and who actually deserves the credit for this rather useful
observation.

"Lorentz introduced this force in 1892.[5] However, the discovery of
the Lorentz force was before Lorentz's time. In particular, it can be
seen at equation (77) in Maxwell's 1861 paper On Physical Lines of
Force. Later, Maxwell listed it as equation "D" of his 1864 paper, A
Dynamical Theory of the Electromagnetic Field, as one of the eight
original Maxwell's equations.

Not my words, neither are they from a physics text, but from this
source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force

I like to give credit where credit is due, beside the the symbology of
a vector math equation to usenet ASCII symbology tends to be a total
waste of time. It's easier simply to point readers to the first
equation listed under "History" in the cited link, which physicists
will recognize as being essentially the same equation taught in 1st
year physics as the Lorentz Force. (In actuality, Lorentz is best
known for his classic method of establishing the value of an Ohm.)
[See, Harnwell, "Principles of Electricity and Electromagnetism",
McGraw Hill. 1949.]

Where Maxwell obtained this little gem is to me interesting. Perhaps
he was inspired by the observations of Faraday, who history tells us
was a far better experimentalist than a gifted mathematician. Maxwell
was a gifted mathematician, as well as a physicist of no trivial note.
So to me, that explanation would make sense. Still, history becomes a
bit cloudy in the days around 1890. So, I have to ask the question,
whose earlier work predated that of Faraday, Maxwell, and Lorentz,
since all three appear to share a common nexus???

Silly I know, but it's a question that fascinates me. Sort of a
physics version of the "Cold Case Files."

Have fun thinking about this one.

Harry C.

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On Jun 15, 3:33 pm, "harry"
wrote:
"Uncle Al" wrote in message

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Darwin123 wrote:

In terms of the aether theory,
[snip rest of crap]

http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031

You waste my time with that - can't you read?

[...]

http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/

"The page cannot be found "

http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2005-5/index.html
http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.0287
No Lorentz violation

F=qV x B is from Lorentz and does not violate Lorentz - can't you read?

Harald

Actually Harold, Maxwell actually first published this relationship a
few years earlier than did Lorentz.

Sorry about that! Anyway, my point was that Lorentz used it much (so that it
even became known as the Lorentz force).

I suspect that it predates even
Maxwell, so perhaps someone else will research it's earliest origins
and who actually deserves the credit for this rather useful
observation.
"Lorentz introduced this force in 1892.[5] However, the discovery of
the Lorentz force was before Lorentz's time. In particular, it can be
seen at equation (77) in Maxwell's 1861 paper On Physical Lines of
Force. Later, Maxwell listed it as equation "D" of his 1864 paper, A
Dynamical Theory of the Electromagnetic Field, as one of the eight
original Maxwell's equations.

Not my words, neither are they from a physics text, but from this
source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force

I like to give credit where credit is due, beside the the symbology of
a vector math equation to usenet ASCII symbology tends to be a total
waste of time. It's easier simply to point readers to the first
equation listed under "History" in the cited link, which physicists
will recognize as being essentially the same equation taught in 1st
year physics as the Lorentz Force. (In actuality, Lorentz is best
known for his classic method of establishing the value of an Ohm.)
[See, Harnwell, "Principles of Electricity and Electromagnetism",
McGraw Hill. 1949.]

Where Maxwell obtained this little gem is to me interesting. Perhaps
he was inspired by the observations of Faraday, who history tells us
was a far better experimentalist than a gifted mathematician. Maxwell
was a gifted mathematician, as well as a physicist of no trivial note.
So to me, that explanation would make sense. Still, history becomes a
bit cloudy in the days around 1890. So, I have to ask the question,
whose earlier work predated that of Faraday, Maxwell, and Lorentz,
since all three appear to share a common nexus???

Hmm... it is said that it was really Faraday who lied the basis of it all.
But I wasn't there. ;-)

Silly I know, but it's a question that fascinates me. Sort of a
physics version of the "Cold Case Files."

Good one!

Cheers,
Harald