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Old June 7th 08 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,rec.org.mensa,sci.physics.particle
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How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are
spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next
atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when
conducting them?

Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the
opposite side and then jump.

Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008


I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig.
Oh dear.


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On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters"
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...

How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are
spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next
atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when
conducting them?


Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the
opposite side and then jump.


Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008


I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig..
Oh dear.


Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the
atom?

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Old June 7th 08 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,rec.org.mensa,sci.physics.particle
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On Jun 7, 3:59*pm, wrote:
On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters"





wrote:
wrote in message


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How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are
spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next
atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when
conducting them?


Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the
opposite side and then jump.


Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008


I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig.
Oh dear.


Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the
atom?


OK, so at least you asked a question. In a metal, the atoms form
metallic bonds, which is a peculiar sort of arrangement where some of
the electrons in each atom are shared communally. That is, these
electrons don't belong to any particular electrons, and they move
quite freely in a sea of weakly attractive centers.

You can think of it as a neighborhood where children are not kept
confined to their parents' houses, but are allowed to wander the
neighborhood and visit in other houses.

PD
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Old June 7th 08 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,rec.org.mensa,sci.physics.particle
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On Jun 7, 2:36*pm, PD wrote:
On Jun 7, 3:59*pm, wrote:





On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters"


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....


How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are
spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next
atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when
conducting them?


Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the
opposite side and then jump.


Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008


I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig.
Oh dear.


Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the
atom?


OK, so at least you asked a question. In a metal, the atoms form
metallic bonds, which is a peculiar sort of arrangement where some of
the electrons in each atom are shared communally. That is, these
electrons don't belong to any particular electrons, and they move
quite freely in a sea of weakly attractive centers.

You can think of it as a neighborhood where children are not kept
confined to their parents' houses, but are allowed to wander the
neighborhood and visit in other houses.

PD- Hide quoted text -

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Shared electrons can only be in one atom at a time. How are they
exchanged from one atom to the next atom?

If an electron is on the other side of the atom it cannot bond that
atom to the other.

Mitch Raemsch
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On Jun 7, 5:44*pm, BURT wrote:
On Jun 7, 2:36*pm, PD wrote:





On Jun 7, 3:59*pm, wrote:


On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters"


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How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are
spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next
atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when
conducting them?


Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the
opposite side and then jump.


Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008


I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig.
Oh dear.


Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the
atom?


OK, so at least you asked a question. In a metal, the atoms form
metallic bonds, which is a peculiar sort of arrangement where some of
the electrons in each atom are shared communally. That is, these
electrons don't belong to any particular electrons, and they move
quite freely in a sea of weakly attractive centers.


You can think of it as a neighborhood where children are not kept
confined to their parents' houses, but are allowed to wander the
neighborhood and visit in other houses.


PD- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Shared electrons can only be in one atom at a time. How are they
exchanged from one atom to the next atom?

If an electron is on the other side of the atom it cannot bond that
atom to the other.


Electrons drift from one atom to another when you apply an electric
field over the metal, such as when you touch a wire to both ends of a
battery. The jiggling that this motion causes in the attractive
centers is what is felt as heat when you do that.
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On Jun 7, 2:48*pm, PD wrote:
On Jun 7, 5:44*pm, BURT wrote:





On Jun 7, 2:36*pm, PD wrote:


On Jun 7, 3:59*pm, wrote:


On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters"


wrote:
wrote in message


...


How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are
spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next
atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when
conducting them?


Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the
opposite side and then jump.


Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008


I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig.
Oh dear.


Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the
atom?


OK, so at least you asked a question. In a metal, the atoms form
metallic bonds, which is a peculiar sort of arrangement where some of
the electrons in each atom are shared communally. That is, these
electrons don't belong to any particular electrons, and they move
quite freely in a sea of weakly attractive centers.


You can think of it as a neighborhood where children are not kept
confined to their parents' houses, but are allowed to wander the
neighborhood and visit in other houses.


PD- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Shared electrons can only be in one atom at a time. How are they
exchanged from one atom to the next atom?


If an electron is on the other side of the atom it cannot bond that
atom to the other.


Electrons drift from one atom to another when you apply an electric
field over the metal, such as when you touch a wire to both ends of a
battery. The jiggling that this motion causes in the attractive
centers is what is felt as heat when you do that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Do electrons drift in the atomic shell's curves?

Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008
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Old June 8th 08 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,rec.org.mensa,sci.physics.particle
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Default Conduction and the shape of electricity

On Jun 7, 2:52*pm, BURT wrote:
On Jun 7, 2:48*pm, PD wrote:





On Jun 7, 5:44*pm, BURT wrote:


On Jun 7, 2:36*pm, PD wrote:


On Jun 7, 3:59*pm, wrote:


On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters"


wrote:
wrote in message


...


How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are
spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next
atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when
conducting them?


Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the
opposite side and then jump.


Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008


I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig.
Oh dear.


Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the
atom?


OK, so at least you asked a question. In a metal, the atoms form
metallic bonds, which is a peculiar sort of arrangement where some of
the electrons in each atom are shared communally. That is, these
electrons don't belong to any particular electrons, and they move
quite freely in a sea of weakly attractive centers.


You can think of it as a neighborhood where children are not kept
confined to their parents' houses, but are allowed to wander the
neighborhood and visit in other houses.


PD- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Shared electrons can only be in one atom at a time. How are they
exchanged from one atom to the next atom?


If an electron is on the other side of the atom it cannot bond that
atom to the other.


Electrons drift from one atom to another when you apply an electric
field over the metal, such as when you touch a wire to both ends of a
battery. The jiggling that this motion causes in the attractive
centers is what is felt as heat when you do that.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Do electrons drift in the atomic shell's curves?

Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008- Hide quoted text -

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Electrons push each other to the opposite side of the atom's orbital
where they jump to the next atom. They then move from the near side to
the far side and repeat the process as they are pushed from atom to
atom.
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Old June 8th 08 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,rec.org.mensa,sci.physics.particle
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In sci.physics.relativity, Cwatters

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on Sun, 8 Jun 2008 11:45:11 +0100
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wrote in message
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On Jun 7, 2:52 pm, BURT wrote:

Electrons push each other to the opposite side of the atom's orbital
where they jump to the next atom. They then move from the near side to
the far side and repeat the process as they are pushed from atom to
atom.


At what age range of pupil is that explanation aimed?


Good question, especially since in an electric field the
atoms are no longer spherical, but squished or stretched,
storing energy as they do so.[*]

Not that mitch makes all that much sense even without such
considerations, but the world is a complicated place; the
electron double-slit comes to mind. How does a particle
interfere with itself? And yet, that's exactly what's
happening, somehow.

(I'll admit I don't know precisely how, though QM gives
one a model and the means by which one can estimate
the result.)
[*] I'm not sure how squished or stretched they are in
normal circumstances anyway; the shape of anything but
1s orbitals is not guaranteed to be spherical. The
usual "pear shape" of 2p orbitals, of course, is probably
rapidly shifting around as opposed to its static
presentation in most textbooks; that might give at least
spherical shells over the long term, absent external
influences such as the aforementioned electric field.

--
#191,
Been there, done that, didn't get the T-shirt.
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Default Conduction and the shape of electricity

On Jun 7, 5:52*pm, BURT wrote:
On Jun 7, 2:48*pm, PD wrote:



On Jun 7, 5:44*pm, BURT wrote:


On Jun 7, 2:36*pm, PD wrote:


On Jun 7, 3:59*pm, wrote:


On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters"


wrote:
wrote in message


...


How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are
spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next
atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when
conducting them?


Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the
opposite side and then jump.


Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008


I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig.
Oh dear.


Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the
atom?


OK, so at least you asked a question. In a metal, the atoms form
metallic bonds, which is a peculiar sort of arrangement where some of
the electrons in each atom are shared communally. That is, these
electrons don't belong to any particular electrons, and they move
quite freely in a sea of weakly attractive centers.


You can think of it as a neighborhood where children are not kept
confined to their parents' houses, but are allowed to wander the
neighborhood and visit in other houses.


PD- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Shared electrons can only be in one atom at a time. How are they
exchanged from one atom to the next atom?


If an electron is on the other side of the atom it cannot bond that
atom to the other.


Electrons drift from one atom to another when you apply an electric
field over the metal, such as when you touch a wire to both ends of a
battery. The jiggling that this motion causes in the attractive
centers is what is felt as heat when you do that.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Do electrons drift in the atomic shell's curves?


An atomic shell is not the curved trajectory of electrons. It is a
distribution of the electron.

The bell curve you see he
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/NormalDistribution.html
is also not a path but a distribution.
Do you know what that means?


Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008


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Old June 8th 08 posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.sci.physics,rec.org.mensa,sci.physics.particle
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Default Conduction and the shape of electricity

On Jun 8, 8:00*am, PD wrote:
On Jun 7, 5:52*pm, BURT wrote:





On Jun 7, 2:48*pm, PD wrote:


On Jun 7, 5:44*pm, BURT wrote:


On Jun 7, 2:36*pm, PD wrote:


On Jun 7, 3:59*pm, wrote:


On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters"


wrote:
wrote in message


...


How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are
spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next
atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when
conducting them?


Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the
opposite side and then jump.


Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008


I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig.
Oh dear.


Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the
atom?


OK, so at least you asked a question. In a metal, the atoms form
metallic bonds, which is a peculiar sort of arrangement where some of
the electrons in each atom are shared communally. That is, these
electrons don't belong to any particular electrons, and they move
quite freely in a sea of weakly attractive centers.


You can think of it as a neighborhood where children are not kept
confined to their parents' houses, but are allowed to wander the
neighborhood and visit in other houses.


PD- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Shared electrons can only be in one atom at a time. How are they
exchanged from one atom to the next atom?


If an electron is on the other side of the atom it cannot bond that
atom to the other.


Electrons drift from one atom to another when you apply an electric
field over the metal, such as when you touch a wire to both ends of a
battery. The jiggling that this motion causes in the attractive
centers is what is felt as heat when you do that.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Do electrons drift in the atomic shell's curves?


An atomic shell is not the curved trajectory of electrons. It is a
distribution of the electron.



There is only one place an electron in the curved shell can be at any
point in time along its wave.

Mitch Raemsch


The bell curve you see hehttp://mathworld.wolfram.com/NormalDistribution.html
is also not a path but a distribution.
Do you know what that means?





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