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wrote in message ... How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when conducting them? Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the opposite side and then jump. Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008 I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig. Oh dear. |
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On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters"
wrote: wrote in message ... How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when conducting them? Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the opposite side and then jump. Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008 I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig.. Oh dear. Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the atom? |
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On Jun 7, 3:59*pm, wrote:
On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters" wrote: wrote in message ... How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when conducting them? Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the opposite side and then jump. Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008 I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig. Oh dear. Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the atom? OK, so at least you asked a question. In a metal, the atoms form metallic bonds, which is a peculiar sort of arrangement where some of the electrons in each atom are shared communally. That is, these electrons don't belong to any particular electrons, and they move quite freely in a sea of weakly attractive centers. You can think of it as a neighborhood where children are not kept confined to their parents' houses, but are allowed to wander the neighborhood and visit in other houses. PD |
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On Jun 7, 2:36*pm, PD wrote:
On Jun 7, 3:59*pm, wrote: On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters" wrote: wrote in message .... How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when conducting them? Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the opposite side and then jump. Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008 I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig. Oh dear. Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the atom? OK, so at least you asked a question. In a metal, the atoms form metallic bonds, which is a peculiar sort of arrangement where some of the electrons in each atom are shared communally. That is, these electrons don't belong to any particular electrons, and they move quite freely in a sea of weakly attractive centers. You can think of it as a neighborhood where children are not kept confined to their parents' houses, but are allowed to wander the neighborhood and visit in other houses. PD- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Shared electrons can only be in one atom at a time. How are they exchanged from one atom to the next atom? If an electron is on the other side of the atom it cannot bond that atom to the other. Mitch Raemsch |
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On Jun 7, 5:44*pm, BURT wrote:
On Jun 7, 2:36*pm, PD wrote: On Jun 7, 3:59*pm, wrote: On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters" wrote: wrote in message ... How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when conducting them? Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the opposite side and then jump. Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008 I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig. Oh dear. Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the atom? OK, so at least you asked a question. In a metal, the atoms form metallic bonds, which is a peculiar sort of arrangement where some of the electrons in each atom are shared communally. That is, these electrons don't belong to any particular electrons, and they move quite freely in a sea of weakly attractive centers. You can think of it as a neighborhood where children are not kept confined to their parents' houses, but are allowed to wander the neighborhood and visit in other houses. PD- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Shared electrons can only be in one atom at a time. How are they exchanged from one atom to the next atom? If an electron is on the other side of the atom it cannot bond that atom to the other. Electrons drift from one atom to another when you apply an electric field over the metal, such as when you touch a wire to both ends of a battery. The jiggling that this motion causes in the attractive centers is what is felt as heat when you do that. |
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On Jun 7, 2:48*pm, PD wrote:
On Jun 7, 5:44*pm, BURT wrote: On Jun 7, 2:36*pm, PD wrote: On Jun 7, 3:59*pm, wrote: On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters" wrote: wrote in message ... How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when conducting them? Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the opposite side and then jump. Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008 I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig. Oh dear. Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the atom? OK, so at least you asked a question. In a metal, the atoms form metallic bonds, which is a peculiar sort of arrangement where some of the electrons in each atom are shared communally. That is, these electrons don't belong to any particular electrons, and they move quite freely in a sea of weakly attractive centers. You can think of it as a neighborhood where children are not kept confined to their parents' houses, but are allowed to wander the neighborhood and visit in other houses. PD- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Shared electrons can only be in one atom at a time. How are they exchanged from one atom to the next atom? If an electron is on the other side of the atom it cannot bond that atom to the other. Electrons drift from one atom to another when you apply an electric field over the metal, such as when you touch a wire to both ends of a battery. The jiggling that this motion causes in the attractive centers is what is felt as heat when you do that.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Do electrons drift in the atomic shell's curves? Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008 |
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On Jun 7, 2:52*pm, BURT wrote:
On Jun 7, 2:48*pm, PD wrote: On Jun 7, 5:44*pm, BURT wrote: On Jun 7, 2:36*pm, PD wrote: On Jun 7, 3:59*pm, wrote: On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters" wrote: wrote in message ... How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when conducting them? Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the opposite side and then jump. Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008 I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig. Oh dear. Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the atom? OK, so at least you asked a question. In a metal, the atoms form metallic bonds, which is a peculiar sort of arrangement where some of the electrons in each atom are shared communally. That is, these electrons don't belong to any particular electrons, and they move quite freely in a sea of weakly attractive centers. You can think of it as a neighborhood where children are not kept confined to their parents' houses, but are allowed to wander the neighborhood and visit in other houses. PD- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Shared electrons can only be in one atom at a time. How are they exchanged from one atom to the next atom? If an electron is on the other side of the atom it cannot bond that atom to the other. Electrons drift from one atom to another when you apply an electric field over the metal, such as when you touch a wire to both ends of a battery. The jiggling that this motion causes in the attractive centers is what is felt as heat when you do that.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Do electrons drift in the atomic shell's curves? Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Electrons push each other to the opposite side of the atom's orbital where they jump to the next atom. They then move from the near side to the far side and repeat the process as they are pushed from atom to atom. |
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In sci.physics.relativity, Cwatters
wrote on Sun, 8 Jun 2008 11:45:11 +0100 : wrote in message ... On Jun 7, 2:52 pm, BURT wrote: Electrons push each other to the opposite side of the atom's orbital where they jump to the next atom. They then move from the near side to the far side and repeat the process as they are pushed from atom to atom. At what age range of pupil is that explanation aimed? Good question, especially since in an electric field the atoms are no longer spherical, but squished or stretched, storing energy as they do so.[*] Not that mitch makes all that much sense even without such considerations, but the world is a complicated place; the electron double-slit comes to mind. How does a particle interfere with itself? And yet, that's exactly what's happening, somehow. (I'll admit I don't know precisely how, though QM gives one a model and the means by which one can estimate the result.) [*] I'm not sure how squished or stretched they are in normal circumstances anyway; the shape of anything but 1s orbitals is not guaranteed to be spherical. The usual "pear shape" of 2p orbitals, of course, is probably rapidly shifting around as opposed to its static presentation in most textbooks; that might give at least spherical shells over the long term, absent external influences such as the aforementioned electric field. -- #191, Been there, done that, didn't get the T-shirt. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On Jun 7, 5:52*pm, BURT wrote:
On Jun 7, 2:48*pm, PD wrote: On Jun 7, 5:44*pm, BURT wrote: On Jun 7, 2:36*pm, PD wrote: On Jun 7, 3:59*pm, wrote: On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters" wrote: wrote in message ... How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when conducting them? Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the opposite side and then jump. Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008 I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig. Oh dear. Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the atom? OK, so at least you asked a question. In a metal, the atoms form metallic bonds, which is a peculiar sort of arrangement where some of the electrons in each atom are shared communally. That is, these electrons don't belong to any particular electrons, and they move quite freely in a sea of weakly attractive centers. You can think of it as a neighborhood where children are not kept confined to their parents' houses, but are allowed to wander the neighborhood and visit in other houses. PD- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Shared electrons can only be in one atom at a time. How are they exchanged from one atom to the next atom? If an electron is on the other side of the atom it cannot bond that atom to the other. Electrons drift from one atom to another when you apply an electric field over the metal, such as when you touch a wire to both ends of a battery. The jiggling that this motion causes in the attractive centers is what is felt as heat when you do that.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Do electrons drift in the atomic shell's curves? An atomic shell is not the curved trajectory of electrons. It is a distribution of the electron. The bell curve you see he http://mathworld.wolfram.com/NormalDistribution.html is also not a path but a distribution. Do you know what that means? Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008 |
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On Jun 8, 8:00*am, PD wrote:
On Jun 7, 5:52*pm, BURT wrote: On Jun 7, 2:48*pm, PD wrote: On Jun 7, 5:44*pm, BURT wrote: On Jun 7, 2:36*pm, PD wrote: On Jun 7, 3:59*pm, wrote: On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters" wrote: wrote in message ... How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when conducting them? Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the opposite side and then jump. Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008 I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig. Oh dear. Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the atom? OK, so at least you asked a question. In a metal, the atoms form metallic bonds, which is a peculiar sort of arrangement where some of the electrons in each atom are shared communally. That is, these electrons don't belong to any particular electrons, and they move quite freely in a sea of weakly attractive centers. You can think of it as a neighborhood where children are not kept confined to their parents' houses, but are allowed to wander the neighborhood and visit in other houses. PD- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Shared electrons can only be in one atom at a time. How are they exchanged from one atom to the next atom? If an electron is on the other side of the atom it cannot bond that atom to the other. Electrons drift from one atom to another when you apply an electric field over the metal, such as when you touch a wire to both ends of a battery. The jiggling that this motion causes in the attractive centers is what is felt as heat when you do that.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Do electrons drift in the atomic shell's curves? An atomic shell is not the curved trajectory of electrons. It is a distribution of the electron. There is only one place an electron in the curved shell can be at any point in time along its wave. Mitch Raemsch The bell curve you see hehttp://mathworld.wolfram.com/NormalDistribution.html is also not a path but a distribution. Do you know what that means? Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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