On Jun 8, 3:31*pm, BURT wrote:
On Jun 8, 8:00*am, PD wrote:



On Jun 7, 5:52*pm, BURT wrote:

On Jun 7, 2:48*pm, PD wrote:

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On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters"

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How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are
spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next
atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when
conducting them?

Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the
opposite side and then jump.

Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008

I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig.
Oh dear.

Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the
atom?

OK, so at least you asked a question. In a metal, the atoms form
metallic bonds, which is a peculiar sort of arrangement where some of
the electrons in each atom are shared communally. That is, these
electrons don't belong to any particular electrons, and they move
quite freely in a sea of weakly attractive centers.

You can think of it as a neighborhood where children are not kept
confined to their parents' houses, but are allowed to wander the
neighborhood and visit in other houses.

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Shared electrons can only be in one atom at a time. How are they
exchanged from one atom to the next atom?

If an electron is on the other side of the atom it cannot bond that
atom to the other.

Electrons drift from one atom to another when you apply an electric
field over the metal, such as when you touch a wire to both ends of a
battery. The jiggling that this motion causes in the attractive
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Do electrons drift in the atomic shell's curves?

An atomic shell is not the curved trajectory of electrons. It is a
distribution of the electron.

There is only one place an electron in the curved shell can be at any
point in time along its wave.

Nope, that's not right. The position is NOT specific at every instant.


Mitch Raemsch

The bell curve you see hehttp://mathworld.wolfram.com/NormalDistribution.html
is also not a path but a distribution.
Do you know what that means?

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On Jun 9, 11:23*am, PD wrote:
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On Jun 8, 8:00*am, PD wrote:

On Jun 7, 5:52*pm, BURT wrote:

On Jun 7, 2:48*pm, PD wrote:

On Jun 7, 5:44*pm, BURT wrote:

On Jun 7, 2:36*pm, PD wrote:

On Jun 7, 3:59*pm, wrote:

On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters"

wrote:
wrote in message

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How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are
spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next
atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when
conducting them?

Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the
opposite side and then jump.

Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008

I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig.
Oh dear.

Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the
atom?

OK, so at least you asked a question. In a metal, the atoms form
metallic bonds, which is a peculiar sort of arrangement where some of
the electrons in each atom are shared communally. That is, these
electrons don't belong to any particular electrons, and they move
quite freely in a sea of weakly attractive centers.

You can think of it as a neighborhood where children are not kept
confined to their parents' houses, but are allowed to wander the
neighborhood and visit in other houses.

PD- Hide quoted text -

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Shared electrons can only be in one atom at a time. How are they
exchanged from one atom to the next atom?

If an electron is on the other side of the atom it cannot bond that
atom to the other.

Electrons drift from one atom to another when you apply an electric
field over the metal, such as when you touch a wire to both ends of a
battery. The jiggling that this motion causes in the attractive
centers is what is felt as heat when you do that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Do electrons drift in the atomic shell's curves?

An atomic shell is not the curved trajectory of electrons. It is a
distribution of the electron.

There is only one place an electron in the curved shell can be at any
point in time along its wave.

Nope, that's not right. The position is NOT specific at every instant.

There is no "stateless" position to a particle. Particles are moving
along their waves in a continuous way. A particle always has a single
changing position.

Uncertainty is unproven conjecture because it cannot be checked by
any measurement. As a scientific principle it needs to be abandoned
since it cannot be verified.

Position isn't exclusive of momentum because there is changing
"position" in momentum. Consider the uncertainty principle needs to be
abandoned.

Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel







Mitch Raemsch

The bell curve you see hehttp://mathworld.wolfram.com/NormalDistribution.html
is also not a path but a distribution.
Do you know what that means?

Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008- Hide quoted text -

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On Jun 9, 8:43*pm, BURT wrote:
On Jun 9, 11:23*am, PD wrote:

On Jun 8, 3:31*pm, BURT wrote:

On Jun 8, 8:00*am, PD wrote:

On Jun 7, 5:52*pm, BURT wrote:

On Jun 7, 2:48*pm, PD wrote:

On Jun 7, 5:44*pm, BURT wrote:

On Jun 7, 2:36*pm, PD wrote:

On Jun 7, 3:59*pm, wrote:

On Jun 7, 12:54*pm, "Cwatters"

wrote:
wrote in message

...

How are electrons passed from one atom to the next when atoms are
spherical? Do they rotate around the orbital and jump to the next
atom's orbital? Do they move in curves around the atoms orbitals when
conducting them?

Electricty ought to start on one side of an atom move around to the
opposite side and then jump.

Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008

I thought this was a home work question at first... then I noticed the sig.
Oh dear.

Questions are the beginning. How does electricity move around the
atom?

OK, so at least you asked a question. In a metal, the atoms form
metallic bonds, which is a peculiar sort of arrangement where some of
the electrons in each atom are shared communally. That is, these
electrons don't belong to any particular electrons, and they move
quite freely in a sea of weakly attractive centers.

You can think of it as a neighborhood where children are not kept
confined to their parents' houses, but are allowed to wander the
neighborhood and visit in other houses.

PD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Shared electrons can only be in one atom at a time. How are they
exchanged from one atom to the next atom?

If an electron is on the other side of the atom it cannot bond that
atom to the other.

Electrons drift from one atom to another when you apply an electric
field over the metal, such as when you touch a wire to both ends of a
battery. The jiggling that this motion causes in the attractive
centers is what is felt as heat when you do that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Do electrons drift in the atomic shell's curves?

An atomic shell is not the curved trajectory of electrons. It is a
distribution of the electron.

There is only one place an electron in the curved shell can be at any
point in time along its wave.

Nope, that's not right. The position is NOT specific at every instant.

There is no "stateless" position to a particle.

Not saying there is. Just that definite position is not necessarily
part of the specification of the state.

Particles are moving
along their waves in a continuous way.

That appears to be not the case.

A particle always has a single
changing position.

Uncertainty is unproven conjecture because it cannot be checked by
any *measurement.

Actually, it can. A number of measurements have already distinguished
quantum predictions from classical predictions.

As a scientific principle it needs to be abandoned
since it cannot be verified.

Position isn't exclusive of momentum because there is changing
"position" in momentum.

But momentum need be measured by measuring changing position.

Consider the uncertainty principle needs to be
abandoned.

Actually, some of the presumptions you make need to be abandoned.


Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel



Mitch Raemsch

The bell curve you see hehttp://mathworld.wolfram.com/NormalDistribution.html
is also not a path but a distribution.
Do you know what that means?

"BURT" wrote in message
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Uncertainty is unproven conjecture because it cannot be checked by
any measurement. As a scientific principle it needs to be abandoned
since it cannot be verified.

I haven't read these papers but I suggest from their title alone the authors
wouldn't agree with you...

Experimental verification of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle for hot
fullerene molecules
http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0105061

Direct demonstration of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle in a
superconductor
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal.../371594a0.html

On Jun 10, 12:28*pm, "Cwatters"
wrote:
"BURT" wrote in message

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Uncertainty is unproven conjecture because it cannot be checked by
any *measurement. As a scientific principle it needs to be abandoned
since it cannot be verified.

I haven't read these papers but I suggest from their title alone the authors
wouldn't agree with you...

Experimental verification of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle for hot
fullerene moleculeshttp://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0105061

Direct demonstration of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle in a
superconductorhttp://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v371/n6498/abs/371594a0..html

They are claiming more then they can back up.

"Position and momentum" are not mutually exclusive and I can back it
up.

There is changing *position* in momentum.

Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel