Let us consider the simple case of addition of velocities
along a straight line. The incompleteness of SR resides
in the fact that a speed v can't currently be experimentally
distinguished from its rapidity r = arctanh(v/c), for values
of that beta = v/c below the third-order term approximation.
The power series expansion of r = arctanh(v/c) is

r = v/c + v*3/3c^3+ v^5/5c^5 + v^7/7c^7 + ...

Provide references of any experimental test of SR, showing
that the rapidity r can be distinguished from its beta v/c, beyond
its second-order approximation. Prove at least that the third-order
term v*3/3c^3 lives outside the error bars. Since, we can't still
perform such accurate experimental tests, we must conclude
the addition of velocities still remains within the euclidean sum
of vectors

w = u + v.

That sum can't still be experimentally distinguished from the sum
of rapidities

arctanh(w/c) = arctanh(u/c) + arctanh(v/c).

In addition, we must also conclude that the relativistic Doppler

f' = Exp(-r) f ,
where r = arctanh(v/c),

can't still be experimentally distinguished from this one

f' = Exp(-v/c) f

On May 9, 4:44 am, Albert****o wrote:

Still at it, ****o?

On May 9, 2:17 pm, Dono wrote:
On May 9, 4:44 am, Albert****o wrote:

Still at it, ****o?

Prove that SR is not equivalent to galilean relativity,
if that galilean relativity is equipped with a Doppler
formula as

f' = (v/c) f / arctanh(v/c).

Can both theories predict the same observables,
assumed that Doppler formula for galilean relativity?

On May 9, 6:56 am, Albert****o wrote:


Prove that SR is not equivalent to galilean relativity,
if that galilean relativity is equipped with a Doppler
formula as

f' = (v/c) f / arctanh(v/c).


****o,

How do you "equip" Galilean relativity with a formula pulled out your
butt?
Try deriving the Doppler formula for Galilean relativity from base
principles:

x'=x+vt
t'=t

Let's see it, little retard.

On May 9, 7:44*am, Albertito wrote:
Let us consider the simple case of addition of velocities
along a straight line. The incompleteness of SR resides
in the fact that a speed v can't currently be experimentally
distinguished from its rapidity r = arctanh(v/c), for values
of that beta = v/c *below the third-order term approximation.
The power series expansion of r = arctanh(v/c) is

* * * * * r = v/c + v*3/3c^3+ v^5/5c^5 + v^7/7c^7 + ...

Provide references of any experimental test of SR, showing
that the rapidity r can be distinguished from its beta v/c, beyond
its second-order approximation. Prove at least that the third-order
term v*3/3c^3 lives outside the error bars. Since, we can't *still
perform such accurate experimental tests, we must conclude
the addition of velocities still remains within the euclidean sum
of vectors

* * * * * * * *w = u + v.

That sum can't still be experimentally distinguished from the sum
of rapidities

* * * * * * *arctanh(w/c) = arctanh(u/c) + arctanh(v/c).

In addition, we must also conclude that the relativistic Doppler

* * * * * * * *f' = Exp(-r) f ,
* * * * * * * *where r = arctanh(v/c),

can't still be experimentally distinguished from this one

* * * * * * * *f' = Exp(-v/c) f


Uhh, you do understand that v/c = tanh r don't you? I didn't think
so.

On May 11, 8:10 pm, Igor wrote:
On May 9, 7:44 am, Albertito wrote:



Let us consider the simple case of addition of velocities
along a straight line. The incompleteness of SR resides
in the fact that a speed v can't currently be experimentally
distinguished from its rapidity r = arctanh(v/c), for values
of that beta = v/c below the third-order term approximation.
The power series expansion of r = arctanh(v/c) is

r = v/c + v*3/3c^3+ v^5/5c^5 + v^7/7c^7 + ...

Provide references of any experimental test of SR, showing
that the rapidity r can be distinguished from its beta v/c, beyond
its second-order approximation. Prove at least that the third-order
term v*3/3c^3 lives outside the error bars. Since, we can't still
perform such accurate experimental tests, we must conclude
the addition of velocities still remains within the euclidean sum
of vectors

w = u + v.

That sum can't still be experimentally distinguished from the sum
of rapidities

arctanh(w/c) = arctanh(u/c) + arctanh(v/c).

In addition, we must also conclude that the relativistic Doppler

f' = Exp(-r) f ,
where r = arctanh(v/c),

can't still be experimentally distinguished from this one

f' = Exp(-v/c) f

Uhh, you do understand that v/c = tanh r don't you? I didn't think
so.

is tanh hyperbolic tangent not asymptotic?

On May 11, 7:10 pm, Igor wrote:
On May 9, 7:44 am, Albertito wrote:



Let us consider the simple case of addition of velocities
along a straight line. The incompleteness of SR resides
in the fact that a speed v can't currently be experimentally
distinguished from its rapidity r = arctanh(v/c), for values
of that beta = v/c below the third-order term approximation.
The power series expansion of r = arctanh(v/c) is

r = v/c + v*3/3c^3+ v^5/5c^5 + v^7/7c^7 + ...

Provide references of any experimental test of SR, showing
that the rapidity r can be distinguished from its beta v/c, beyond
its second-order approximation. Prove at least that the third-order
term v*3/3c^3 lives outside the error bars. Since, we can't still
perform such accurate experimental tests, we must conclude
the addition of velocities still remains within the euclidean sum
of vectors

w = u + v.

That sum can't still be experimentally distinguished from the sum
of rapidities

arctanh(w/c) = arctanh(u/c) + arctanh(v/c).

In addition, we must also conclude that the relativistic Doppler

f' = Exp(-r) f ,
where r = arctanh(v/c),

can't still be experimentally distinguished from this one

f' = Exp(-v/c) f

Uhh, you do understand that v/c = tanh r don't you? I didn't think
so.

Really?, didn't you?
Didn't you realize that both v/c and its rapidity,
r = arctanh(v/c), currently are experimentally
indistinguishable?

On May 11, 2:16*pm, PCB wrote:
On May 11, 8:10 pm, Igor wrote:





On May 9, 7:44 am, Albertito wrote:

Let us consider the simple case of addition of velocities
along a straight line. The incompleteness of SR resides
in the fact that a speed v can't currently be experimentally
distinguished from its rapidity r = arctanh(v/c), for values
of that beta = v/c *below the third-order term approximation.
The power series expansion of r = arctanh(v/c) is

* * * * * r = v/c + v*3/3c^3+ v^5/5c^5 + v^7/7c^7 + ...

Provide references of any experimental test of SR, showing
that the rapidity r can be distinguished from its beta v/c, beyond
its second-order approximation. Prove at least that the third-order
term v*3/3c^3 lives outside the error bars. Since, we can't *still
perform such accurate experimental tests, we must conclude
the addition of velocities still remains within the euclidean sum
of vectors

* * * * * * * *w = u + v.

That sum can't still be experimentally distinguished from the sum
of rapidities

* * * * * * *arctanh(w/c) = arctanh(u/c) + arctanh(v/c).

In addition, we must also conclude that the relativistic Doppler

* * * * * * * *f' = Exp(-r) f ,
* * * * * * * *where r = arctanh(v/c),

can't still be experimentally distinguished from this one

* * * * * * * *f' = Exp(-v/c) f

Uhh, you do understand that v/c = tanh r don't you? *I didn't think
so.

is tanh hyperbolic tangent not asymptotic?

Asymptotic to what?

On May 9, 6:44*am, Albertito wrote:
Let us consider the simple case of addition of velocities
along a straight line. The incompleteness of SR resides
in the fact that a speed v can't currently be experimentally
distinguished from its rapidity r = arctanh(v/c), for values
of that beta = v/c *below the third-order term approximation.
The power series expansion of r = arctanh(v/c) is

* * * * * r = v/c + v*3/3c^3+ v^5/5c^5 + v^7/7c^7 + ...

Provide references of any experimental test of SR, showing
that the rapidity r can be distinguished from its beta v/c, beyond
its second-order approximation. Prove at least that the third-order
term v*3/3c^3 lives outside the error bars. Since, we can't *still
perform such accurate experimental tests, we must conclude
the addition of velocities still remains within the euclidean sum
of vectors

* * * * * * * *w = u + v.

That sum can't still be experimentally distinguished from the sum
of rapidities

* * * * * * *arctanh(w/c) = arctanh(u/c) + arctanh(v/c).

In addition, we must also conclude that the relativistic Doppler

* * * * * * * *f' = Exp(-r) f ,
* * * * * * * *where r = arctanh(v/c),

can't still be experimentally distinguished from this one

* * * * * * * *f' = Exp(-v/c) f

There is actually an abundance of these tests. I'll mention one.
Muon beamlines are created by allowing charged pions to decay in
flight. The pions have momenta such that their speed is close to that
of light. Since it is an exoenergetic decay, the muon has extra
kinetic energy from the decay. Since the pion's decay mechanism
doesn't give a whit whether the pion is in flight when it decays (and
in fact, the principle of relativity says the physics of the pion
decay has to be the same for pions at rest vs. pions in free flight),
we can guess what that kinetic energy profile is for the moving pions
by using the distribution for decaying pions at rest. Or, put another
way, we can take the velocity distribution of muons in the pion rest
frame and boost them to the frame where the pions are moving close to
the speed of light. Using rapidities to perform that boost results in
a velocity distribution that agrees with direct measurement. The
Galilean transformations, on the other hand, predict that the muon
velocity would have a peak in the forward direction that exceeds c.
Muon time of flight can be measured directly via a triplet of
scintillator paddles, and in fact this is routinely done in muon
beamlines. The muon speed distribution never exceeds c.

PD

On May 11, 8:26 pm, Igor wrote:
On May 11, 2:16 pm, PCB wrote:



On May 11, 8:10 pm, Igor wrote:

On May 9, 7:44 am, Albertito wrote:

Let us consider the simple case of addition of velocities
along a straight line. The incompleteness of SR resides
in the fact that a speed v can't currently be experimentally
distinguished from its rapidity r = arctanh(v/c), for values
of that beta = v/c below the third-order term approximation.
The power series expansion of r = arctanh(v/c) is

r = v/c + v*3/3c^3+ v^5/5c^5 + v^7/7c^7 + ...

Provide references of any experimental test of SR, showing
that the rapidity r can be distinguished from its beta v/c, beyond
its second-order approximation. Prove at least that the third-order
term v*3/3c^3 lives outside the error bars. Since, we can't still
perform such accurate experimental tests, we must conclude
the addition of velocities still remains within the euclidean sum
of vectors

w = u + v.

That sum can't still be experimentally distinguished from the sum
of rapidities

arctanh(w/c) = arctanh(u/c) + arctanh(v/c).

In addition, we must also conclude that the relativistic Doppler

f' = Exp(-r) f ,
where r = arctanh(v/c),

can't still be experimentally distinguished from this one

f' = Exp(-v/c) f

Uhh, you do understand that v/c = tanh r don't you? I didn't think
so.

is tanh hyperbolic tangent not asymptotic?

Asymptotic to what?

+/- 1 ?