Quasars meet the condition of the extreme gravitational field. They
are redshift objects about one light week in diameter yet have the
mass of a galaxy. Their extreme redshift comes from gravitation first
and can be distance second for those at the distance extreme.

There is no edge to the universe where these objects exist. Quasars
are evenly distributed throughout the universe near and far.


Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008

wrote:
Quasars meet the condition of the extreme gravitational field. They
are redshift objects about one light week in diameter yet have the
mass of a galaxy. Their extreme redshift comes from gravitation first
and can be distance second for those at the distance extreme.

There is no edge to the universe where these objects exist. Quasars
are evenly distributed throughout the universe near and far.


Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008



Mitch:

You fail to consider the functions of atomic and molecular hydrogen in
space with respect to photon interactions and with the result of the
lowering of the energy levels of the photons.

You offer your religion for the BB, however, that doesn't explain the
fact of the RS that results from hydrogen photon interactions.

If the hydrogen interaction is indeed the cause for the RS the Quasars
will be found far closer to us and to be traveling at less speed than
the BB creationists claim. The universe will then have its mass located
in far smaller regions.

Ralph Hertle

On May 3, 5:11*pm, Ralph Hertle wrote:
[snip whatever]

Stop encouraging the noise generator.

On May 3, 5:11*pm, Ralph Hertle wrote:
wrote:
Quasars meet the condition of the extreme gravitational field. They
are redshift objects about one light week in diameter yet have the
mass of a galaxy. Their extreme redshift comes from gravitation first
and can be distance second for those at the distance extreme.

There is no edge to the universe where these objects exist. Quasars
are evenly distributed throughout the universe near and far.

Mitch Raemsch; Twice Nobel Laureate 2008

Mitch:

You fail to consider the functions of atomic and molecular hydrogen in
space with respect to photon interactions and with the result of the
lowering of the energy levels of the photons.

You offer your religion for the BB, however, that doesn't explain the
fact of the RS that results from hydrogen photon interactions.

If the hydrogen interaction is indeed the cause for the RS the Quasars
will be found far closer to us and to be traveling at less speed than
the BB creationists claim. The universe will then have its mass located
in far smaller regions.

Ralph Hertle

What are you saying about the gravitation of these extreme redshift
objects ralph?

wrote:



[...]

Their extreme redshift comes from gravitation first
and can be distance second for those at the distance extreme.


Mitch:

You fail to consider the functions of atomic and molecular hydrogen in
space with respect to photon interactions and with the result of the
lowering of the energy levels of the photons.

You offer your religion for the BB, however, that doesn't explain the
fact of the RS that results from hydrogen photon interactions.

If the hydrogen interaction is indeed the cause for the RS the Quasars
will be found far closer to us and to be traveling at less speed than
the BB creationists claim. The universe will then have its mass located
in far smaller regions.

Ralph Hertle




What are you saying about the gravitation of these extreme redshift
objects ralph?




Nothing. The lack of correct grammar in your sentence makes it
incomprehensible.


However, if gravitational existents radiate out from mass entities and
collide with,
or otherwise interact with, photons, it may be found that gravitational
existents
are the cause of the lowering of the energy levels of the photons.

Another hypothesis is that the electrons of the photometrically transparent
hydrogen produce gravitational existents, just as they receive them, and
the
interaction with the gravitational existents is the cause of the
lowering of the
energy levels of the photons.

Hypothetically, if the gravity existent from the hydrogen electron
interacted with
the photon, lowering its energy level, the physical location of the
photon may be
dimensionally offset a certain amount while the velocity of the photon
remains as
it was. The effect of a slowing of speed of the photon may be evident,
and a RS
may be apparent. Whether offset or energy reduction are the cause, or both,
needs to be determined.

One thing that is clear is that the use of Euclidean plane geometry to
project
imaginary paths of origin for red shifted mass objects that lead to a
claimed
center of origin for a claimed BB is pure unfounded conjecture. The is
no basis
in physical existence for any Euclidean straight lines projected in
space from or
to any origin, whatsoever.


Ralph Hertle

Ralph Hertle wrote:


Mitch:

You fail to consider the functions of atomic and molecular hydrogen in
space with respect to photon interactions and with the result of the
lowering of the energy levels of the photons.

Hydrogen is very sparse in empty space. It is not dense enough to
account for the red shift in the entirety.

The Big Bang has other problems such as accelerated expansion.

For an alternative to the Big Bang see Paul Steinhardt and Niel Turok
-Endless Univeress-. They have an alternative which which consistent
with all the known facts including recently discovered accelaration of
the expansion of the cosmos.

Bob Kolker

On May 4, 2:57*am, "Robert J. Kolker" wrote:
Ralph Hertle wrote:

Mitch:

You fail to consider the functions of atomic and molecular hydrogen in
space with respect to photon interactions and with the result of the
lowering of the energy levels of the photons.

Hydrogen is very sparse in empty space. It is not dense enough to
account for the red shift in the entirety.

The Big Bang has other problems such as accelerated expansion.

For an alternative to the Big Bang see Paul Steinhardt and Niel Turok
-Endless Univeress-. *They have an alternative which which consistent
with all the known facts including recently discovered accelaration of
the expansion of the cosmos.

Bob Kolker

What is the likelyhood for light to encounter hydrogen in empty
intergalactic space? That is the question that needs answering.

Mitch Raemsch

On May 4, 3:23*pm, wrote:
On May 4, 2:57*am, "Robert J. Kolker" wrote:





Ralph Hertle wrote:

Mitch:

You fail to consider the functions of atomic and molecular hydrogen in
space with respect to photon interactions and with the result of the
lowering of the energy levels of the photons.

Hydrogen is very sparse in empty space. It is not dense enough to
account for the red shift in the entirety.

The Big Bang has other problems such as accelerated expansion.

For an alternative to the Big Bang see Paul Steinhardt and Niel Turok
-Endless Univeress-. *They have an alternative which which consistent
with all the known facts including recently discovered accelaration of
the expansion of the cosmos.

Bob Kolker

What is the likelyhood for light to encounter hydrogen in empty
intergalactic space? That is the question that needs answering.

Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hydrogen doesn't capture light's energy because the Compton effect
doesn't apply here. That is misleading.

Mitch Raemsch

wrote:


[...]

What is the likelyhood for light to encounter hydrogen in empty
intergalactic space? That is the question that needs answering.

Mitch Raemsch




That's a real good example of the fallacy of . . . . .
Would you believe? . . . . . . post hoc ergo propter hoc.


Who said there was no hydrogen in intergalactic space?


You obviously don't know, and you don't know that particular
sub-science. So much for the third Nobel prize.


Ralph Hertle

Mitch Raemsch:


wrote:

[...]

Hydrogen doesn't capture light's energy because the Compton effect
doesn't apply here. That is misleading.





You have the right idea, however, you imply that you disagree with it.

The particular form of hydrogen that causes the RS of photons is highly
transparent to photons. I'm surprised that you didn't know that.

Additionally, the RS, or more precisely, the energy reduction, of the
photon existent is partially due to the dimensional offset in its
trajectory.

My question would be, how does the fraction of energy become separated
from the photon? Or is it combined into the hydrogen? Is it only in the
dimensional offset? If that were true is it possible that the velocity
of the photon after its offset could remain the same as it was prior to
the interaction?

If the dimensional offset case is true, it could probably be identified
and experimentally proved to exist. The RS would only apply to the
apparent cycle time of the photon at the receiver and not to the
integral velocity or wave-length of the photon. The later values could
also be experimentally checked.

Is the dimensional offset the sole form of the energy that is separated
from the photon, according to F=Ma? Or is there a form of energy that is
separated from the hydrogen, e.g., a photon emitted after energy stored
in the hydrogen or electron had reached a threshold level and was
released as a photon. . . .presumably in an amount based upon Planck's
Constant? The function of the electron shells of the hydrogen would
probably be involved.

Also, is that the reason for the Post Modernist scientist's attacks upon
Newton's laws. That they want to hide the possibility that the inertial
mechanics of the photon and the BB does not exist or is not possible.

If photon-hydrogen interactions will be found to cause the RS, what is
the specific mechanism within the photon and hydrogen that results in
the RS?


Ralph Hertle