Kip Thorn dismissed the fact that objects would fall faster than
light inside a black hole. He claimed they only reach light speed.
But if they reach light speed at the event horizon how are they not
going to be propelled faster by the even greater gravity inside?

No. Kip Thorn was making an excuse to preserve Black Hole theory.
Let's say he is correct that matter reaches only light speed; still
this is a violation of Special Relativity. Matter cannot reach light
speed according to Albert Einstein. If it did it would disappear from
time.

Matter reaching light speed is what disproves Black Holes at
their event horizons because they violate Special Relativity.

The second excuse that might be made is that matter does not even
reach (or fall to) the light speed limit that Kip Thorn suggested.

But time ends at the event horizon for matter causing the theoretical
redshift and blueshift of light to go infinite which is a nonsense as
prediction. Light's energy would go infinite by blue
shift and zero by redshift at the event horizon. These predictions
are the complete failure of black hole theory.

For time to really end for matter it has to reach light speed. The
fact is
time ending and the matter reaching light speed go hand and hand
which
again violates Einstein's Special Relativity. So please give up your
excuses
Kip thorn and EVERYONE ELSE.

Even Albert Einstein did not believe in black holes. Instead he tried
to make the collapsing star bounce back in theory. That was his
reaction.

Mitch Raemsch; You can't fall faster than light

wrote:
Kip Thorn dismissed the fact that objects would fall faster than
light inside a black hole. He claimed they only reach light speed.
But if they reach light speed at the event horizon how are they not
going to be propelled faster by the even greater gravity inside?

No. Kip Thorn was making an excuse to preserve Black Hole theory.
Let's say he is correct that matter reaches only light speed; still
this is a violation of Special Relativity. Matter cannot reach light
speed according to Albert Einstein. If it did it would disappear from
time.

Matter reaching light speed is what disproves Black Holes at
their event horizons because they violate Special Relativity.

The second excuse that might be made is that matter does not even
reach (or fall to) the light speed limit that Kip Thorn suggested.

But time ends at the event horizon for matter causing the theoretical
redshift and blueshift of light to go infinite which is a nonsense as
prediction. Light's energy would go infinite by blue
shift and zero by redshift at the event horizon. These predictions
are the complete failure of black hole theory.

For time to really end for matter it has to reach light speed. The
fact is
time ending and the matter reaching light speed go hand and hand
which
again violates Einstein's Special Relativity. So please give up your
excuses
Kip thorn and EVERYONE ELSE.

Even Albert Einstein did not believe in black holes. Instead he tried
to make the collapsing star bounce back in theory. That was his
reaction.

Mitch Raemsch; You can't fall faster than light

Tell me what happens inside a black hole.

On May 3, 1:07*pm, foolsrushout wrote:
wrote:
Kip Thorn dismissed the fact that objects would fall faster than
light inside a black hole. He claimed they only reach light speed.
But if they reach light speed at the event horizon how are they not
going to be propelled faster by the even greater gravity inside?

No. Kip Thorn was making an excuse to preserve Black Hole theory.
Let's say he is correct that matter reaches only light speed; still
this is a violation of Special Relativity. Matter cannot reach light
speed according to Albert Einstein. If it did it would disappear from
time.

Matter reaching light speed is what disproves Black Holes at
their event horizons because they violate Special Relativity.

The second excuse that might be made is that matter does not even
reach (or fall to) the light speed limit that Kip Thorn suggested.

But time ends at the event horizon for matter causing the theoretical
redshift and blueshift of light to go infinite which is a nonsense as
prediction. Light's energy would go infinite by blue
shift and zero by redshift at the event horizon. These predictions
are the complete failure of black hole theory.

For time to really end for matter it has to reach light speed. The
fact is
time ending and the matter reaching light speed go hand and hand
which
again violates Einstein's Special Relativity. So please give up your
excuses
Kip thorn and EVERYONE ELSE.

Even Albert Einstein did not believe in black holes. Instead he tried
to make the collapsing star bounce back in theory. That was his
reaction.
Mitch Raemsch; You can't fall faster than light

Tell me what happens inside a black hole.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nothing. They do not exist.

On May 3, 2:13*pm, wrote:
On May 3, 1:07*pm, foolsrushout wrote:



wrote:
Kip Thorn dismissed the fact that objects would fall faster than
light inside a black hole. He claimed they only reach light speed.
But if they reach light speed at the event horizon how are they not
going to be propelled faster by the even greater gravity inside?

No. Kip Thorn was making an excuse to preserve Black Hole theory.
Let's say he is correct that matter reaches only light speed; still
this is a violation of Special Relativity. Matter cannot reach light
speed according to Albert Einstein. If it did it would disappear from
time.

Matter reaching light speed is what disproves Black Holes at
their event horizons because they violate Special Relativity.

The second excuse that might be made is that matter does not even
reach (or fall to) the light speed limit that Kip Thorn suggested.

But time ends at the event horizon for matter causing the theoretical
redshift and blueshift of light to go infinite which is a nonsense as
prediction. Light's energy would go infinite by blue
shift and zero by redshift at the event horizon. These predictions
are the complete failure of black hole theory.

For time to really end for matter it has to reach light speed. The
fact is
time ending and the matter reaching light speed go hand and hand
which
again violates Einstein's Special Relativity. So please give up your
excuses
Kip thorn and EVERYONE ELSE.

Even Albert Einstein did not believe in black holes. Instead he tried
to make the collapsing star bounce back in theory. That was his
reaction.
Mitch Raemsch; You can't fall faster than light

Tell me what happens inside a black hole.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nothing. They do not exist.

If by "black hole" you mean points excluded from space and time in a
finite region then most physicists would probably agree with you.
Everyone knows GR is an incomplete theory (so is QM). You must keep in
mind that when people like Kip Thorne (note the "e" at the end) talk
about black holes, they mean certain property of certain theory, not
necessarily what's "out there". Learn to recognise terminological
shortcuts before you post critiques.

--
Jan Bielawski

On May 3, 3:18*pm, JanPB wrote:
On May 3, 2:13*pm, wrote:





On May 3, 1:07*pm, foolsrushout wrote:

wrote:
Kip Thorn dismissed the fact that objects would fall faster than
light inside a black hole. He claimed they only reach light speed.
But if they reach light speed at the event horizon how are they not
going to be propelled faster by the even greater gravity inside?

No. Kip Thorn was making an excuse to preserve Black Hole theory.
Let's say he is correct that matter reaches only light speed; still
this is a violation of Special Relativity. Matter cannot reach light
speed according to Albert Einstein. If it did it would disappear from
time.

Matter reaching light speed is what disproves Black Holes at
their event horizons because they violate Special Relativity.

The second excuse that might be made is that matter does not even
reach (or fall to) the light speed limit that Kip Thorn suggested.

But time ends at the event horizon for matter causing the theoretical
redshift and blueshift of light to go infinite which is a nonsense as
prediction. Light's energy would go infinite by blue
shift and zero by redshift at the event horizon. These predictions
are the complete failure of black hole theory.

For time to really end for matter it has to reach light speed. The
fact is
time ending and the matter reaching light speed go hand and hand
which
again violates Einstein's Special Relativity. So please give up your
excuses
Kip thorn and EVERYONE ELSE.

Even Albert Einstein did not believe in black holes. Instead he tried
to make the collapsing star bounce back in theory. That was his
reaction.
Mitch Raemsch; You can't fall faster than light

Tell me what happens inside a black hole.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nothing. They do not exist.

If by "black hole" you mean points excluded from space and time in a
finite region then most physicists would probably agree with you.
Everyone knows GR is an incomplete theory (so is QM). You must keep in
mind that when people like Kip Thorne (note the "e" at the end) talk
about black holes, they mean certain property of certain theory, not
necessarily what's "out there". Learn to recognise terminological
shortcuts before you post critiques.

--
Jan Bielawski- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Neutron stars are out there not black holes.

Mitch Raemsch

wrote:
On May 3, 1:07 pm, foolsrushout wrote:

wrote:

Kip Thorn dismissed the fact that objects would fall faster than
light inside a black hole. He claimed they only reach light speed.
But if they reach light speed at the event horizon how are they not
going to be propelled faster by the even greater gravity inside?

No. Kip Thorn was making an excuse to preserve Black Hole theory.
Let's say he is correct that matter reaches only light speed; still
this is a violation of Special Relativity. Matter cannot reach light
speed according to Albert Einstein. If it did it would disappear from
time.

Matter reaching light speed is what disproves Black Holes at
their event horizons because they violate Special Relativity.

The second excuse that might be made is that matter does not even
reach (or fall to) the light speed limit that Kip Thorn suggested.

But time ends at the event horizon for matter causing the theoretical
redshift and blueshift of light to go infinite which is a nonsense as
prediction. Light's energy would go infinite by blue
shift and zero by redshift at the event horizon. These predictions
are the complete failure of black hole theory.

For time to really end for matter it has to reach light speed. The
fact is
time ending and the matter reaching light speed go hand and hand
which
again violates Einstein's Special Relativity. So please give up your
excuses
Kip thorn and EVERYONE ELSE.

Even Albert Einstein did not believe in black holes. Instead he tried
to make the collapsing star bounce back in theory. That was his
reaction.
Mitch Raemsch; You can't fall faster than light

Tell me what happens inside a black hole.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Nothing. They do not exist.


Neither do you.

On May 3, 3:33*pm, foolsrushout wrote:
wrote:
On May 3, 1:07 pm, foolsrushout wrote:

wrote:

Kip Thorn dismissed the fact that objects would fall faster than
light inside a black hole. He claimed they only reach light speed.
But if they reach light speed at the event horizon how are they not
going to be propelled faster by the even greater gravity inside?

No. Kip Thorn was making an excuse to preserve Black Hole theory.
Let's say he is correct that matter reaches only light speed; still
this is a violation of Special Relativity. Matter cannot reach light
speed according to Albert Einstein. If it did it would disappear from
time.

Matter reaching light speed is what disproves Black Holes at
their event horizons because they violate Special Relativity.

The second excuse that might be made is that matter does not even
reach (or fall to) the light speed limit that Kip Thorn suggested.

But time ends at the event horizon for matter causing the theoretical
redshift and blueshift of light to go infinite which is a nonsense as
prediction. Light's energy would go infinite by blue
shift and zero by redshift at the event horizon. These predictions
are the complete failure of black hole theory.

For time to really end for matter it has to reach light speed. The
fact is
time ending and the matter reaching light speed go hand and hand
which
again violates Einstein's Special Relativity. So please give up your
excuses
Kip thorn and EVERYONE ELSE.

Even Albert Einstein did not believe in black holes. Instead he tried
to make the collapsing star bounce back in theory. That was his
reaction.
Mitch Raemsch; You can't fall faster than light

Tell me what happens inside a black hole.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nothing. They do not exist.

Neither do you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The conditions for a singularity or black hole do not occur. Neutrons
are end stage matter.

Mitch Raemsch

wrote:

Kip Thorn dismissed the fact that objects would fall faster than
light inside a black hole. He claimed they only reach light speed.
But if they reach light speed at the event horizon how are they not
going to be propelled faster by the even greater gravity inside?
[snip crap]

Hey ****ing stooopid: Tell us how long it takes - as viewed by an
external observer - for an external photon impinging normal to a
Schwarzschild black hole's event horizon to pass through it into the
interior. Tell us whether the photon red-shifts or blue-shifts as it
proceeds into the deep event horizon.

You don't know. You cannot imagine how to look it up. You are
****ing stooopid. BTW, ****ing stooopid, name for us the other three
kinds of black holes.

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
Dunning-Kruger effect (2000 Ig Nobel Prize): ignorance more
frequently begets confidence than does knowledge

1) Incompetent individuals tend to overestimate their own level of
skill.
2) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize genuine skill in
others.
3) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize the extremity of their
inadequacy.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

On May 3, 4:09*pm, Uncle Al wrote:
wrote:

Kip Thorn dismissed the fact that objects would fall faster than
light inside a black hole. He claimed they only reach light speed.
But if they reach light speed at the event horizon how are they not
going to be propelled faster by the even greater gravity inside?

[snip crap]

Hey ****ing stooopid: *Tell us how long it takes - as viewed by an
external observer - for an external photon impinging normal to a
Schwarzschild black hole's event horizon to pass through it into the
interior. *Tell us whether the photon red-shifts or blue-shifts as it
proceeds into the deep event horizon.

You don't know. *You cannot imagine how to look it up. *You are
****ing stooopid. *BTW, ****ing stooopid, name for us the other three
kinds of black holes.

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
*Dunning-Kruger effect (2000 Ig Nobel Prize): *ignorance more
frequently begets confidence than does knowledge

* *1) Incompetent individuals tend to overestimate their own level of
skill.
* *2) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize genuine skill in
others.
* *3) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize the extremity of their
inadequacy.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

--
Uncle Alhttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
*(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

Going inward the blueshift goes infinite.

Poppy Cock.

On May 3, 4:18 pm, JanPB wrote:

If by "black hole" you mean points excluded from space and time in a
finite region then most physicists would probably agree with you.
Everyone knows GR is an incomplete theory (so is QM). You must keep in
mind that when people like Kip Thorne (note the "e" at the end) talk
about black holes, they mean certain property of certain theory, not
necessarily what's "out there". Learn to recognise terminological
shortcuts before you post critiques.

Having black holes or no black holes is a serious matter and not an
issue of terminology. You are very guilty of creating mysticism and
passing it on as wisdom.

** MYSTICISM IS NOT WIDSOM

Schwarzschild’s original solution to the field equations does not
manifest black holes, but Hilbert’s solution does which is known as
the Schwarzschild metric. Both solutions are asymptotically flat,
spherically symmetric, and static. Both solutions at weak gravitation
are compatible with Newtonian law of gravity. In fact, there are an
infinity numbers of such solutions that fit these criteria.
Scientifically, there should be no preference as to which solution is
more valid. But through mysticism, you favor the Schwarzschild metric
for some reasons involving the black art.