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Science never gives me instant gratification



 
 
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Old May 3rd 08 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Smooth John
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Default Science never gives me instant gratification

I cant understand science anymore

As soon as I understand an issue, or even the problematics of an
issue,
regarding math, physics and science generally, at least 10 more
issues
and problematics arise, pops out from nowhere, making me look more
stupid as I been before

In this situation, the most logical decision to be drawn will be to
not try to
understand any issues, because understanding and solving issues leads
to not understandig, here is how it goes

1 issue -
- understand -
10 issues -
- understan, understand ..understand -
100 issues --
- 100x understand

and so on

But sirs, this grows exponentially O(10^n) which is very very fast

In conclusion, science prohibit understanding

Science dont want you to understand, this is weird
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Old May 3rd 08 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Smooth John
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Default Science never gives me instant gratification

On May 3, 10:54 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote:
Smooth John wrote in message



I cant understand science anymore


As soon as I understand an issue, or even the problematics of an issue,
regarding math, physics and science generally, at least 10 more issues
and problematics arise, pops out from nowhere,


Yes, that is what science is about. Spot on.

making me look more
stupid as I been before


Wrong attitude.
They should make you more intrigued and interested.
You picked the wrong hobby.
Try Cricket Champ Card Collecting.

Dirk Vdm


You didnt got the main issue regarding this issue

Which is, I repeat in order for you to understand, that science
as today posed, is ill posed, by definition

You hit the wall of not-understanding very fast, even when you
try to understand simple things the growth is still there, and
seems never to disappear

This is what makes science self-contradictory, and therefore
understanding has to do with entirely other domain, which definitely
as showed, is not science, because science leads you nowhere, and
very likely it leads you in circles at best


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Old May 3rd 08 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Smooth John
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Default Science never gives me instant gratification

On May 3, 11:47 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote:
Smooth John wrote in message





On May 3, 10:54 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote:
Smooth John wrote in message




I cant understand science anymore


As soon as I understand an issue, or even the problematics of an issue,
regarding math, physics and science generally, at least 10 more issues
and problematics arise, pops out from nowhere,


Yes, that is what science is about. Spot on.


making me look more
stupid as I been before


Wrong attitude.
They should make you more intrigued and interested.
You picked the wrong hobby.
Try Cricket Champ Card Collecting.


Dirk Vdm


You didnt got the main issue regarding this issue


Yes I did, but you are insufficiently equipped to understand,
which is not my problem.

Dirk Vdm


You rather lie shamelessly, because if were did understood the issue,
then you had
been regard your answer specific to the issue, but as shown, you did
not in the first place

And you cowardly redirect the answers to your posts to

alt.morons,alt.creep

Your attitude is deplorable, but still tells us that you agree that
you lost, being parallel and
not tangent to this discussion

What you did was parroting attitudes you read somewhere, which is
wrong, and in fact,
your attitude is what gives science a bad name

Anyway, what we need in order to understand more, learn from me, is
for now to decrease
the exponential growth, we need a growth deficit [Hammond 2007] which
eventually will
tell us, at least, if we are going along the right path. If not, then
we need to jump off this
path and lead to get knowledge from another domain which must not be
science
  #6  
Old May 3rd 08 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Dirk Van de moortel
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Default Science never gives me instant gratification


"Smooth John" wrote in message ...
On May 3, 11:47 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote:
Smooth John wrote in message





On May 3, 10:54 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote:
Smooth John wrote in message




I cant understand science anymore


As soon as I understand an issue, or even the problematics of an issue,
regarding math, physics and science generally, at least 10 more issues
and problematics arise, pops out from nowhere,


Yes, that is what science is about. Spot on.


making me look more
stupid as I been before


Wrong attitude.
They should make you more intrigued and interested.
You picked the wrong hobby.
Try Cricket Champ Card Collecting.


Dirk Vdm


You didnt got the main issue regarding this issue


Yes I did, but you are insufficiently equipped to understand,
which is not my problem.

Dirk Vdm


You rather lie shamelessly, because if were did understood the issue,
then you had
been regard your answer specific to the issue, but as shown, you did
not in the first place


Cricket Champ Card Collecting.
Definitely.

Dirk Vdm

  #7  
Old May 3rd 08 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Smooth John
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Default Science never gives me instant gratification

On May 3, 12:47 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote:
"Smooth John" wrote in ...
On May 3, 11:47 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote:
Smooth John wrote in message




On May 3, 10:54 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-
SperM.hotmail.com wrote:
Smooth John wrote in message




I cant understand science anymore


As soon as I understand an issue, or even the problematics of an issue,
regarding math, physics and science generally, at least 10 more issues
and problematics arise, pops out from nowhere,


Yes, that is what science is about. Spot on.


making me look more
stupid as I been before


Wrong attitude.
They should make you more intrigued and interested.
You picked the wrong hobby.
Try Cricket Champ Card Collecting.


Dirk Vdm


You didnt got the main issue regarding this issue


Yes I did, but you are insufficiently equipped to understand,
which is not my problem.


Dirk Vdm


You rather lie shamelessly, because if were did understood the issue,
then you had
been regard your answer specific to the issue, but as shown, you did
not in the first place


Cricket Champ Card Collecting.
Definitely.

Dirk Vdm


Exactly, this is what you do in stead of science

Then redirect the thread discussion, where you just lost, to some
other
groups where you participate

alt.creep,alt.morons,alt.troll,uk.sport.cricket

The unaware users has to update their "followup-to" with

sci.physics.relativity

All this trouble just because Dirk Van de moortel think that this is
how
science has to work, counterproductive
  #8  
Old May 6th 08 posted to sci.physics.relativity
Paul B. Andersen
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Default Science never gives me instant gratification

Smooth John wrote:
I cant understand science anymore

As soon as I understand an issue, or even the problematics of an
issue,
regarding math, physics and science generally, at least 10 more
issues
and problematics arise, pops out from nowhere, making me look more
stupid as I been before

In this situation, the most logical decision to be drawn will be to
not try to
understand any issues, because understanding and solving issues leads
to not understandig, here is how it goes

1 issue -
- understand -
10 issues -
- understan, understand ..understand -
100 issues --
- 100x understand

and so on

But sirs, this grows exponentially O(10^n) which is very very fast

In conclusion, science prohibit understanding

Science dont want you to understand, this is weird


That's the nature of knowledge.
The more you learn, the bigger will the area of
the interface to the unknown be.

That's why the really ignorant persons in this NG
think they know it all.
Some even boast of having an open mind uncorrupted
by 'indoctrination' (crank name for 'knowledge').


--
Paul

http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
  #9  
Old May 6th 08 posted to sci.physics.relativity
PD
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Default Science never gives me instant gratification

On May 3, 3:36*am, Smooth John wrote:
I cant understand science anymore

As soon as I understand an issue, or even the problematics of an
issue,
regarding math, physics and science generally, at least 10 more
issues
and problematics arise, pops out from nowhere, making me look more
stupid as I been before

In this situation, the most logical decision to be drawn will be to
not try to
understand any issues, because understanding and solving issues leads
to not understandig, here is how it goes


That's right. Some people find this frustrating. Some other people
find this fun.

Some people follow a pursuit so that they can *complete* the pursuit
and consider it done.
Other people find pleasure in the pursuit itself and sincerely hope
that the pursuit never is completed, though progress is clearly made.

If you want a pursuit that has a satisfactory state of completion, I
suggest crossword puzzles.


1 issue -
*- understand -
10 issues -
*- understan, understand ..understand -
100 issues --
*- 100x understand

and so on

But sirs, this grows exponentially O(10^n) which is very very fast

In conclusion, science prohibit understanding

Science dont want you to understand, this is weird


  #10  
Old May 6th 08 posted to sci.physics.relativity
PD
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Posts: 16,616
Default Science never gives me instant gratification

On May 3, 4:27*am, Smooth John wrote:
On May 3, 10:54 am, "Dirk Van de moortel" dirkvandemoor...@ThankS-NO-



SperM.hotmail.com wrote:
Smooth John wrote in message


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I cant understand science anymore


As soon as I understand an issue, or even the problematics of an issue,
regarding math, physics and science generally, at least 10 more issues
and problematics arise, pops out from nowhere,


Yes, that is what science is about. Spot on.


making me look more
stupid as I been before


Wrong attitude.
They should make you more intrigued and interested.
You picked the wrong hobby.
Try Cricket Champ Card Collecting.


Dirk Vdm


You didnt got the main issue regarding this issue

Which is, I repeat in order for you to understand, that science
as today posed, is ill posed, by definition

You hit the wall of not-understanding very fast,


Well, this is what marks the difference between a worthwhile pursuit
and a video game. Video games have a "novice" setting that allows you
to complete a whole level without additional preparation or drill.
However, most worthwhile pursuits are not structured this way and
require a lot of preparation and practice before any interesting
progress can be made at all. This is true for musicians, who labor
through scales and sight-reading exercises. This is true for plumbers,
who do mindless drone work as apprentices. This is true for airline
pilots, who spend hours and hours doing classwork before even once
getting up in the air. This is true for doctors, who have to memorize
hundreds of nerves and veins and plow through organic chemistry before
they even once see a patient.

There are many young men and women that buy a guitar with great
aspirations for writing and making their own music. But if they don't
make the commitment to doing scales and exercises, they run into the
same wall of inability very fast. Many of them had hopes that it would
be a skill like playing a video game, fun the whole time while
expertise is gradually built. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.

even when you
try to understand simple things the growth is still there, and
seems never to disappear

This is what makes science self-contradictory, and therefore
understanding has to do with entirely other domain, which definitely
as showed, is not science, because science leads you nowhere, and
very likely it leads you in circles at best


 




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