Science today gives no answers, they only deal
with what is observable, iow detection, therefore
science is no more than a dumb temperature
sensor so to speak.

But they forget that sensors are lying, and at best,
they only detect what they find that it is logic to
present, hereby the not logical detections are not
presented

Similarly, science only presents the logical interactions,
and forget that all these are a result of infinitely many
chaotic interactions, which cannot be detected and
according to science they do not exists.

The functionality of a brain is driven by chaos and chaotic
interactions competing for dominance, which results in
a logical action or decision one may take, so the chaos
must be there in the first place

Therefore it makes no sense to pretend that what we have
out there is only what we detect

I think I have to turn over to religion, which definitely will
tell me more than science today does

What religion do I have to choose, what religion is closest to
deepest reality?

On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:44:37 -0700 (PDT), Smooth John
wrote:

Science today gives no answers, they only deal
with what is observable, iow detection, therefore
science is no more than a dumb temperature
sensor so to speak.

But they forget that sensors are lying, and at best,
they only detect what they find that it is logic to
present, hereby the not logical detections are not
presented

Similarly, science only presents the logical interactions,
and forget that all these are a result of infinitely many
chaotic interactions, which cannot be detected and
according to science they do not exists.

The functionality of a brain is driven by chaos and chaotic
interactions competing for dominance, which results in
a logical action or decision one may take, so the chaos
must be there in the first place

Therefore it makes no sense to pretend that what we have
out there is only what we detect

I think I have to turn over to religion, which definitely will
tell me more than science today does

What religion do I have to choose, what religion is closest to
deepest reality?
Before abandoning science you might have a look at Process Physics. It
may be more to your liking than other theories you have seen so far.

From:
http://www.scieng.flinders.edu.au/cp...ssphysics.html

A new paradigm for the modelling of reality is currently being
developed called Process Physics. In Process Physics we start from the
premise that the limits to logic, which are implied by Gödel's
incompleteness theorems, mean that any attempt to model reality via a
formal system is doomed to failure. Instead of formal systems we use a
process system, which uses the notions of self-referential information
with self-referential noise and self-organised criticality to create a
new type of information-theoretic system that is realising both the
current formal physical modelling of reality but is also exhibiting
features such as the direction of time, the present moment effect and
quantum state entanglement (including EPR effects, nonlocality and
contextuality), as well as the more familiar formalisms of Relativity
and Quantum Mechanics. In particular a theory of Gravity has already
emerged.


In short, rather than the static 4-dimensional modelling of present
day (non-process) physics, Process Physics is providing a dynamic
model where space and matter are seen to emerge from a fundamentally
random but self-organising system. The key insight is that to
adequately model reality we must move on from the traditional
non-process syntactical information modelling to a process semantic
information modelling; such information is `internally meaningful'.
=====================================

When it comes to religion, I quite like this.
http://www.pantheism.net

"Smooth John" wrote in message
...
Science today gives no answers, they only deal
with what is observable, iow detection, therefore
science is no more than a dumb temperature
sensor so to speak.

But they forget that sensors are lying, and at best,
they only detect what they find that it is logic to
present, hereby the not logical detections are not
presented

Similarly, science only presents the logical interactions,
and forget that all these are a result of infinitely many
chaotic interactions, which cannot be detected and
according to science they do not exists.

The functionality of a brain is driven by chaos and chaotic
interactions competing for dominance, which results in
a logical action or decision one may take, so the chaos
must be there in the first place

Therefore it makes no sense to pretend that what we have
out there is only what we detect

I think I have to turn over to religion, which definitely will
tell me more than science today does

What religion do I have to choose, what religion is closest to
deepest reality?
- - - - - - - - - -
It is obvious that you want to hear large quantities of pure, 100% Bull****.
Religion is the perfect choice, because except for a few accurate historical
elements, it is 99.9% Bull****. You will be happy with virtually any
choice, they are just different flavors of cow dung.

Facts and logical progression are just too much for your comprehension, so
you might want to try Magic, if religion does not work.

Science, at its core,
is nothing more
than a search for the truth.

- - - - -/ \ - - - - -

On May 1, 3:37*pm, Surfer wrote:

Before abandoning science you might have a look at Process Physics. It
may be more to your liking than other theories you have seen so far.

From:http://www.scieng.flinders.edu.au/cp...processphysics....




In one word : forgery . Congratulations, Peter.

On May 2, 12:38 am, "SBC Yahoo"
wrote:
"Smooth John" wrote in message

...

Science today gives no answers, they only deal
with what is observable, iow detection, therefore
science is no more than a dumb temperature
sensor so to speak.

But they forget that sensors are lying, and at best,
they only detect what they find that it is logic to
present, hereby the not logical detections are not
presented

Similarly, science only presents the logical interactions,
and forget that all these are a result of infinitely many
chaotic interactions, which cannot be detected and
according to science they do not exists.

The functionality of a brain is driven by chaos and chaotic
interactions competing for dominance, which results in
a logical action or decision one may take, so the chaos
must be there in the first place

Therefore it makes no sense to pretend that what we have
out there is only what we detect

I think I have to turn over to religion, which definitely will
tell me more than science today does

What religion do I have to choose, what religion is closest to
deepest reality?

- - - - - - - - - -
It is obvious that you want to hear large quantities of pure, 100% Bull****.
Religion is the perfect choice, because except for a few accurate historical
elements, it is 99.9% Bull****. You will be happy with virtually any
choice, they are just different flavors of cow dung.

Facts and logical progression are just too much for your comprehension, so
you might want to try Magic, if religion does not work.

Science, at its core,
is nothing more
than a search for the truth.

No, science today only is searching for dumb temperature sensors

Any truth cannot possibly be bounded to dumb temperature sensors

It is much more then that,

Please reread in order for you to understand, then honestly ask
yourself
if you understand anything you said you understood before


- - - - -/ \ - - - - -

Ohh, am I doomed to stick with a dumb temperature sensor?

"Smooth John" wrote in message
...
Science today gives no answers,

Science never has claimed to answer anything. It is simply a process of
test, hypothesize, test, hypothesise over and over. If what comes out of
that process is 'answers' is a philosophical issue of zero scientific value.

Thanks
Bill

they only deal
with what is observable, iow detection, therefore
science is no more than a dumb temperature
sensor so to speak.

But they forget that sensors are lying, and at best,
they only detect what they find that it is logic to
present, hereby the not logical detections are not
presented

Similarly, science only presents the logical interactions,
and forget that all these are a result of infinitely many
chaotic interactions, which cannot be detected and
according to science they do not exists.

The functionality of a brain is driven by chaos and chaotic
interactions competing for dominance, which results in
a logical action or decision one may take, so the chaos
must be there in the first place

Therefore it makes no sense to pretend that what we have
out there is only what we detect

I think I have to turn over to religion, which definitely will
tell me more than science today does

What religion do I have to choose, what religion is closest to
deepest reality?

"Smooth John" wrote in message
...
On May 2, 12:38 am, "SBC Yahoo"
wrote:
"Smooth John" wrote in message

...

Science today gives no answers, they only deal
with what is observable, iow detection, therefore
science is no more than a dumb temperature
sensor so to speak.

But they forget that sensors are lying, and at best,
they only detect what they find that it is logic to
present, hereby the not logical detections are not
presented

Similarly, science only presents the logical interactions,
and forget that all these are a result of infinitely many
chaotic interactions, which cannot be detected and
according to science they do not exists.

The functionality of a brain is driven by chaos and chaotic
interactions competing for dominance, which results in
a logical action or decision one may take, so the chaos
must be there in the first place

Therefore it makes no sense to pretend that what we have
out there is only what we detect

I think I have to turn over to religion, which definitely will
tell me more than science today does

What religion do I have to choose, what religion is closest to
deepest reality?

- - - - - - - - - -
It is obvious that you want to hear large quantities of pure, 100%
Bull****.
Religion is the perfect choice, because except for a few accurate
historical
elements, it is 99.9% Bull****. You will be happy with virtually any
choice, they are just different flavors of cow dung.

Facts and logical progression are just too much for your comprehension,
so
you might want to try Magic, if religion does not work.

Science, at its core,
is nothing more
than a search for the truth.

No, science today only is searching for dumb temperature sensors

So trying to find supersymetry for example is 'dumb temperature sensors'.
Yea right.

Thanks
Bill


Any truth cannot possibly be bounded to dumb temperature sensors

It is much more then that,

Please reread in order for you to understand, then honestly ask
yourself
if you understand anything you said you understood before


- - - - -/ \ - - - - -

Ohh, am I doomed to stick with a dumb temperature sensor?

On May 1, 10:10*pm, "Bill Hobba" wrote:
"Smooth John" wrote in message

...

Science today gives no answers,

Science never has claimed to answer anything. *It is simply a process of
test, hypothesize, test, hypothesise over and over. *If what comes out of
that process is 'answers' is a philosophical issue of zero scientific value.

Thanks
Bill

xxein: Interesting. Did I color you wrong or did you change colors?

On Fri, 02 May 2008 02:10:19 GMT, "Bill Hobba"
wrote:


"Smooth John" wrote in message
...
Science today gives no answers,

Science never has claimed to answer anything. It is simply a process of
test, hypothesize, test, hypothesise over and over. If what comes out of
that process is 'answers' is a philosophical issue of zero scientific value.

Every test of a hypothesis produces an answer. I think what the
original poster is probably complaining about is inability to find a
comprehensible framework (or set of interpretations) within which to
comprehend the myriad answers that have been produced.

However for a framework to be comprehensible and satisfying to an
individual it must match the cognitive abilities of that individual.

To make sense of science I think different people will need different
frameworks. Ideally the different frameworks should be compatible with
each other otherwise in view of the fact that there is only one
physical reality, one or more of the frameworks would be out of sync
with reality.

I think providing such frameworks is the role of philosophy. Perhaps
the OP needs to look for authors who combine philosophy and science in
a way that he finds suitable for himself.

Regards,
Surfer

"Surfer" wrote in message ...
On Fri, 02 May 2008 02:10:19 GMT, "Bill Hobba"
wrote:


"Smooth John" wrote in message
...
Science today gives no answers,

Science never has claimed to answer anything. It is simply a process of
test, hypothesize, test, hypothesise over and over. If what comes out of
that process is 'answers' is a philosophical issue of zero scientific value.

Every test of a hypothesis produces an answer. I think what the
original poster is probably complaining about is inability to find a
comprehensible framework (or set of interpretations) within which to
comprehend the myriad answers that have been produced.

However for a framework to be comprehensible and satisfying to an
individual it must match the cognitive abilities of that individual.

To make sense of science I think different people will need different
frameworks. Ideally the different frameworks should be compatible with
each other otherwise in view of the fact that there is only one
physical reality, one or more of the frameworks would be out of sync
with reality.

I think providing such frameworks is the role of philosophy. Perhaps
the OP needs to look for authors who combine philosophy and science in
a way that he finds suitable for himself.

Perhaps the OP needs to look for authors who combine fraud
and pseudo-science in a way that Cahill finds suitable for the OP.
A good place to start would be
http://www.scieng.flinders.edu.au/cp...ssphysics.html
right?

Dirk Vdm