The correct addition of velocities falsifies relativity

PD · #31 May 7th 08 posted to sci.physics.relativity

On May 7, 6:52*am, Albertito wrote:
On May 7, 12:08 pm, Eric Gisse wrote:

On May 7, 1:45 am, Albertito wrote:

On May 7, 10:08 am, Eric Gisse wrote:

On May 7, 12:06 am, Albertito wrote:

On May 7, 2:52 am, Eric Gisse wrote:

On May 6, 2:38 pm, Albertito wrote:

On May 6, 10:16 pm, PD wrote:

On May 6, 4:06 pm, Albertito wrote:

On May 6, 9:44 pm, PD wrote:

On May 6, 3:14 pm, Albertito wrote:

On May 6, 8:56 pm, PD wrote:

On May 6, 2:40 pm, Albertito wrote:

On May 6, 3:06 pm, PD wrote:

On May 1, 7:47 am, Albertito wrote:

This the correct addition of velocities

* * * * *w = u + v,

Well, there's a problem here. This formula appears to be incorrect,
according to experimental evidence.
Have you done a literature search of the experimental evidence?

Well, there's a problem for you. This formula,
w = u + v, appears to be incorrect, according
to experimental evidence, when used with the
relativistic Doppler furmula *f' = sqrt((1 - v/c)/(1 +v/c))f,
but it is still waiting for a test when used with this
Doppler formula, f' = Exp(-v/c) f

No, that's not the problem. It appears to be incorrect when u, v, and
w are independently and directly measured, well outside the parochial
application of Doppler frequency shifting. Did you imagine that the
only test of this formula was Doppler frequency shifting?

and this is the correct Doppler formula for all moving
bodies,

* * * * f' = Exp(-v/c) f

Well, there's a problem here. This formula appears to be incorrect,
according to experimental evidence.
Have you done a literature search of the experimental evidence?

Well, there's a problem for you. This formula,
f' = Exp(-v/c) f , appears to be incorrect, according
to experimental evidence, when used with the
relativistic addition of velocities, but it is still
waiting for a test when used with this addition formula
w = u + v.

No, it appears to be incorrect according to experimental evidence,
when f, f' and v are all independently and directly measured.

Again I ask you, have you done a literature search of the experimental
evidence?

PD

Yes, I've done a literature search of the experimental evidence.
And no experimental tests have been found for that specific
set of equations. Nothing is said about that, neither that's wrong
nor right. OTOH, how do you intend to accomplish f, f' and v are
all independently and directly measured? Please, provide me a
reference/paper describing experiments where those three
parameters are all independently and directly measured, without
the assumption that the speed of light is invariant.

Clock signals sent from Voyager. f is set by the oscillator prior to
launch and whose stability is engineered, v is known by time-separated
surveying to landmarks (like planets) by the satellite, and f' is
measured on the ground. Resolution is 18% of v/c, certainly capable of
distinguishing between your expression and the correct one.

Houston, we have a problem, the voyager probe seems
not to be where it should!

The difference is still MUCH smaller than the difference your formula
would suggest. While there is a SMALL anomaly seen in the Voyager
data, we know for certain that your formula is not supported by those
data.

You did say you know how to do a literature search, right? This means
more than just hearing that something was funny about Voyager.

**G. L. Bradford** · #32 May 10th 08 posted to sci.physics.relativity

"Albertito" wrote in message
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On May 7, 12:55 pm, Eric Gisse wrote:
On May 7, 3:52 am, Albertito wrote:
[snip]

I really couldn't be bothered to click "read more" when it became
apparent you don't understand why it is stupid to pluck equations out
of the air and pretend they are more fundamental.

You still have not answered my question:
Why is it necessarily true that the speed of light is
invariant in all inertial frames of reference?

Why isn't it arbitrary to assume the speed of
light is invariant in all inertial frames of reference?

v = 0

GLB

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