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| In sci.physics.relativity, Eric Gisse
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| wrote
| on Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:29:11 -0700 (PDT)
| :
| On Apr 24, 2:52 am, "CWatters"
| wrote:
| wrote in message
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|
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| On Apr 24, 7:33 am, BradGuth wrote:
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| Certain individuals were focusing exclusively on the "no stars"
| argument and they turned out to be agents. No wonder.
|
| Certain individuals who concentrate on the radaition issue are agents
as
| well.
|
| Am I the only one who is impressed by the sheer complexity of the
| arguments supporting the conspiracy theory? Now it has reached the
| point where a rocket /was/ launched, and the rocket went to one of the
| Earth-Moon Lagrange points [why? who knows] and the corner cube arrays
| were deposited by unmanned landers.
|
| 'course the fact there were several Moon missions seems to go un-
| mentioned, but hey - conspiracy theory!
|
| More than several.
|
| Apollo 1: 3 fatalities during a ground test.
| Apollo 2: unmanned, circumnavigated Earth but pressurization test
| failed.
| Apollo 3: informal name of AS-202. Unmanned, suborbital.
| Apollo 4: First Saturn V flight, first launch from Launch Complex 39.
| Unmanned.
| Apollo 5: Unmanned. "Abort fire" test successful.
| Apollo 6: Unmanned, Second Saturn V flight.
|
| Apollo 7: Manned, circumnavigated Earth.
| Apollo 8: Manned, circumnavigated Luna. Famous "Earthrise" picture.
| Apollo 9: Manned, circumnavigated Earth, tested LM and CSM.
| Apollo 10: Manned, circumnavigated Luna. Came within 8.4 naut. miles
| of Luna's surface.
| Apollo 11: That's one small step for [a] man, one giant leap for mankind.
| Apollo 12: Landed on Luna.
| Apollo 13: Massive failure precluded lunar landing; no casualties.
| Apollo 14: Landed.
| Apollo 15: First "J mission". Landed.
| Apollo 16: Landed.
| Apollo 17: Landed, first night launch.
| Apollo 18-21: Cancelled.
|
| There have been subsequent unmanned missions as well;
| Clementine comes to mind. There are hints of a commercial
| venture involving robotic Earth-controlled rovers, which
| anyone will be able to "rent". (Relatively simple, that,
| since Luna's near face always faces us.)

Don't leave out Lunokhod.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunokhod_1


|
| If there is a conspiracy afoot, a number of astronomers
| are in on it; there were a number of pictures taken through
| telescopes of the space hardware in orbit.
|
| http://www.astr.ua.edu/keel/space/apollo.html
|
| aren't horribly clear but do show some interesting artifacts.
|
| I've personally seen part of one of the Saturn Vs, in the
| "Rocket Garden" (my understanding is that it has since been
| moved to another facility for restoration/preservation,
| and of course it had no working parts). While not proof
| of anything in particular beyond the ability to build such
| hardware, it's impressively big.
|
| Of course part of the problem is that no one can *prove*
| this. Best I can do is build my own rocket, take myself
| and the doubter up to the moon, and leave him there for a
| time to examine the evidence (among other things, at least
| one of the lunar rovers on Apollos 15-17). Of course,
| once I take him back (you wouldn't think I'd *leave* him up
| there, would you? :-) ) , he gets to somehow prove to his
| peers that he was up there...
|
| --
| #191,
| Useless C/C++ Programming Idea #12398234:
| void f(char *p) {char *q = strdup(p); strcpy(p,q);}
|
| --
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|

On Apr 27, 10:52 am, BradGuth wrote:
On Apr 27, 10:10 am, Smooth John wrote:



BradGuth wrote:
On Apr 26, 11:36 pm, "Peter Webb"
wrote:
"BradGuth" wrote in message

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On Apr 26, 6:04 am, "Peter Webb"
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"BradGuth" wrote in message

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On Apr 25, 6:25 pm, "Peter Webb"
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On Apr 25, 5:46 pm, "Peter Webb"
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Why the lack of Usenet/Group interest in anything JAXA SELENE?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a.../thread/3a4022...
Brad Guth

That link goes to one of your rants on a different forum.

I don't think Usenet lacks interest in Jaxa; I think Usenet lacks
interest
in Brad Guth.

HTH

That's to be expected.

Since JAXA/Selene is all about ourmoon, and soon enough orbiting at
merely 10 km with those TC optics recording that physically dark
surface at one meter/pixel, and therefore why is it not worthy of
your
expertise?

It is. Post some images of the landing sites. If there aren't any,
what
is
the relevance?

JAXA/Selene has by now at least dozens if not hundreds of their crisp
and clear TC frames per given landing site.

Why do you believe this is true?

Oddly they are not
sharing. In fact, even their wide/telephoto HDTV images are extremely
limited and having been frame by frame modified in order to exclude
most of the lunar mineral hue/color saturations, as well as utilizing
a minimal amount of the available dynamic range.

You say that the Japanese are falsifying wide view television images of
the
moon. Why would they do that? What do you think they are hiding in these
images? Aliens from Area 41?

Real funny. Since it's the easily peer reviewed whole truth and
nothing but the truth, as otherwise easily proven by a fifth grader,
so why don't you tell us why JAXA changed their tune upon arriving
into the orbital mission. Why is JAXA holding back and otherwise
having to falsifying those wide and telephoto HDTV color images?

I don't think they are.

Being the brown-nosed clown of a minion to the status quo that you
are, you can think whatever you like.

More to the point, what has this got to do with your claim the Apollo
missions are ahoax?

That's a wee bit dumb and dumber, but nice try.

Even at 10 m/pixel is more than good enough as is.
. - Brad Guth

No, I supplied the calculations showing it was nowhere near good
enough.

Still the same old silly brown-nosed boy, are you not.

No, I am a mathematician with an interest in optics.

You wouldn't accept 0.1 m/pixel as worthy proof of anything going
against your pagan DARPA NASA/Apollo fiasco. So what's the
difference?

Wrong. I would accept 0.1m/pixel resolution images.

No kidding. However, what if those images were as obviously doctored
as having been the case thus far?

Are you suggesting that they are afraid to give undoctored
pictures to their population?

What should they be afraid for

Since you're so freaking smart and all-knowing, why the hell don't you
tell me?

Seems more than a wee bit cloak and dagger odd as hell, that such
basic monochrome images and of whatever spectral obtained information
as to the surface mineralogy of our physically dark and otherwise
nasty oldmoonshould be the least bit taboo/nondisclosure rated.

Is the JAXA/Selene mission broken? Roasted to death, or merely over-
saturated with gamma, or what?
. - Brad Guth



Would any amount of resolution ever be good enough?

How about those of multi-look per pixel via trustworthy radar obtained
images, such as from a 45 degree angle none the less? (we've had this
capability for the last couple of decades, and of extremely good
resolution as of the last decade)

Of course, if you would like to post the highest resolution photos of
the
landing sites that you have access to, I could go through the physics
with
an actual example.

So why don't you do that?

They're all available from JAXA. Why don't you ask for yourself,

Because I am not trying to prove that Apollo was ahoax. If you want to
use
photos as proof that it was ahoax, you really need to be able to produce
the photos. No photos, no evidence.

The joys of evidence exclusion. Up until recently it worked for the
USS LIBERTY fiasco, and of still ongoing as of more recently on behalf
of TWA flight 800, not to mention more than enough unanswered
questions about what brought us 911, as well as countless internal SEC
and Federal Reserve hocus-pocus issues that remain as taboo/
nondisclosure rated. You make a darn good DARPA minion, and rather
brown-nosed to boot.

So no photos, and hence no evidence?

JAXA has by now archived thousands of those quality TC obtained
frames. I too wonder why those are not made public. Go figure.

or
wait until unavoidably they can't help but deliver those 1m/pixel
images.

The images are 10m/pixel, and so would not possibly show the LEM.

Silly boy, are we not. Sounds rather much like Hitler saying "what
Jews", because from where he was standing couldn't possibly see one of
those yids, or any other member of innocent humanity, or otherwise
like our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) stipulating them crazy
Muslims got WMD.

Ummm ... the Japanese claim they are 10 metres/pixel. Why would they lie?

Supposedly you're the really smart one here. Why don't you tell us
why JAXA is being so unusually taboo/nondisclosure rated?

Of course China can always dive in for the same or better
resolution.

Yes. If Apollo was ahoax, and there are so many ways it could be
disproved,
funny that not one government has ever bother attempted to find out.

With recent Mars missions accomplishing better than 0.1 m/pixel,
therefore Japan, China or perhaps India should not have problems
accomplishing a few of those telephoto resolutions of 0.1 m/pixel from
100 km. Imagine their improved resolution from 10 km, especially as
extra nifty 3D angle of view via those TC configured optics, whereas
you always get loads more useful deductive observationology
information than by way of any 90 degree plan-view could possibly
deliver at ten fold better resolution.

Yes. If Apollo was ahoax, many governments (not all friendly to the US)
could easily show it was ahoax.

More great evidence that it wasn't ahoax.

Is that your point?

Only as of this year has another government outside of the cloak and
dagger grasp of our DARPA and of their army of STR spook/mole minions
(aka MIB if you like), had the capability of going in for the kill.

What's your best swag as to the remaining time our NASA/Apollo fiasco
has left?
. - Brad Guth

Why are devout Jews like Saul Levy so gosh darn touchy about our NASA
and of their grand Apollo ruse/sting of our mutually perpetrated cold-
war Century?

Besides, how much of our DARPA/USAID isn't Jewish?
.. - Brad Guth

On May 1, 7:39*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Apr 27, 10:52 am, BradGuth wrote:

.................................................. ...
Only as of this year has another government outside of the cloak and
dagger grasp of our DARPA and of their army of STR spook/mole minions
(aka MIB if you like), had the capability of going in for the kill.

What's your best swag as to the remaining time our NASA/Apollo fiasco
has left?
. - Brad Guth

Why are devout Jews like Saul Levy so gosh darn touchy about our NASA
and of their grand Apollo ruse/sting of our mutually perpetrated cold-
war Century?

Besides, how much of our DARPA/USAID isn't Jewish?
. - Brad Guth-

************************************************** ************

Schoenfeld-Bradguth: a pair truly from heaven. They complement each
other in several, pretty funny sometimes, ways. They both are trolls
that love to spit nonsenses in the NG from time to time, but whereas
one can see that Schoenfeld is as clever as two bricks from the London
Bridge and serves only to begin the show, Bradguth plays the "wise"
guy, and tries pretty pathetically to give a "scientific" basis to his
stupidities.

The best part is when Brad seasons his posts with antisemitism and
deep hatred towards anything daring to disagree with his nonsenses.
That "brown nose minions" thing is hilarious, and something we all
must be grateful for when trying to take a rest from everyday's work.

Thanx, dudes!

Regards
Tonio

On Apr 20, 9:04 pm, wrote:

http://newmedia.funnyjunk.com/pictur...en-costume.jpg

On Apr 30, 10:08 pm, Tonico wrote:
On May 1, 7:39 am, BradGuth wrote:

On Apr 27, 10:52 am, BradGuth wrote:

.................................................. ...

Only as of this year has another government outside of the cloak and
dagger grasp of our DARPA and of their army of STR spook/mole minions
(aka MIB if you like), had the capability of going in for the kill.

What's your best swag as to the remaining time our NASA/Apollo fiasco
has left?
. - Brad Guth

Why are devout Jews like Saul Levy so gosh darn touchy about our NASA
and of their grand Apollo ruse/sting of our mutually perpetrated cold-
war Century?

Besides, how much of our DARPA/USAID isn't Jewish?
. - Brad Guth-

************************************************** ************

Schoenfeld-Bradguth: a pair truly from heaven. They complement each
other in several, pretty funny sometimes, ways. They both are trolls
that love to spit nonsenses in the NG from time to time, but whereas
one can see that Schoenfeld is as clever as two bricks from the London
Bridge and serves only to begin the show, Bradguth plays the "wise"
guy, and tries pretty pathetically to give a "scientific" basis to his
stupidities.

The best part is when Brad seasons his posts with antisemitism and
deep hatred towards anything daring to disagree with his nonsenses.
That "brown nose minions" thing is hilarious, and something we all
must be grateful for when trying to take a rest from everyday's work.

Thanx, dudes!

Regards
Tonio

And your independently objective evidence on behalf of _ALL_ things
NASA/Apollo is ??????
.. - Brad Guth

On May 1, 8:19 am, Dono wrote:
On Apr 20, 9:04 pm, wrote:

http://newmedia.funnyjunk.com/pictur...en-costume.jpg

Aren't Jews and of their pretend-atheist army of brown-nosed minions
funny.
.. - Brad Guth

On May 1, 8:57*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Apr 30, 10:08 pm, Tonico wrote:

************************************************** ************

Schoenfeld-Bradguth: a pair truly from heaven. They complement each
other in several, pretty funny sometimes, ways. They both are trolls
that love to spit nonsenses in the NG from time to time, but whereas
one can see that Schoenfeld is as clever as two bricks from the London
Bridge and serves only to begin the show, Bradguth plays the "wise"
guy, and tries pretty pathetically to give a "scientific" basis to his
stupidities.

The best part is when Brad seasons his posts with antisemitism and
deep hatred towards anything daring to disagree with his nonsenses.
That "brown nose minions" thing is hilarious, and something we all
must be grateful for when trying to take a rest from everyday's work.

Thanx, dudes!

Regards
Tonio

And your independently objective evidence on behalf of _ALL_ things
NASA/Apollo is ??????
. - Brad Guth-

************************************************** *********

Common sense, brains and personal eyewitness of evidence, but you
can't understand all these, so forget them.

And where's my "you brown-nose minion yid" thing?!? Common, that short
response of yours wasn't funny...try again!

Regards
Tonio

On May 1, 11:33 am, Tonico wrote:
On May 1, 8:57 pm, BradGuth wrote:



On Apr 30, 10:08 pm, Tonico wrote:

************************************************** ************

Schoenfeld-Bradguth: a pair truly from heaven. They complement each
other in several, pretty funny sometimes, ways. They both are trolls
that love to spit nonsenses in the NG from time to time, but whereas
one can see that Schoenfeld is as clever as two bricks from the London
Bridge and serves only to begin the show, Bradguth plays the "wise"
guy, and tries pretty pathetically to give a "scientific" basis to his
stupidities.

The best part is when Brad seasons his posts with antisemitism and
deep hatred towards anything daring to disagree with his nonsenses.
That "brown nose minions" thing is hilarious, and something we all
must be grateful for when trying to take a rest from everyday's work.

Thanx, dudes!

Regards
Tonio

And your independently objective evidence on behalf of _ALL_ things
NASA/Apollo is ??????
. - Brad Guth-

************************************************** *********

Common sense, brains and personal eyewitness of evidence, but you
can't understand all these, so forget them.

And where's my "you brown-nose minion yid" thing?!? Common, that short
response of yours wasn't funny...try again!

Regards
Tonio

Interesting in how most everything of JAXA/Selene that could have
easily proved matters one way or another, whereas instead having been
sequestered out of sight, as set deep within the nearest space toilet.

So, all and all you’ve still got nothing outside of your subjective
NASA/Apollo Old Testament Qur’an that has fully scripted everything,
so that you folks can’t even deductively think for yourselves. Gee
whiz, what a silly surprise, much the same as going into your DARPA
conspired gas chambers instead of your DARPA gang conspired internment
campus was such a surprise to those of your own kind.

Why is that you folks of the Semitic Third Reich kind think nothing
much of killing off others of your own kind?
. – Brad Guth

On Apr 20, 10:04*pm, wrote:
Compare the the below authentic pictures of the Lunar surface with the
fake ones from the Apollo hoax.

snip

Yep. Looks just like it, I'm sorry but I think the landings were REAL.
You don't? Too bad.

On May 1, 6:21 pm, mike3 wrote:
On Apr 20, 10:04 pm, wrote: Compare the the below authentic pictures of the Lunar surface with the
fake ones from the Apollo hoax.

snip

Yep. Looks just like it, I'm sorry but I think the landings were REAL.
You don't? Too bad.

Wonder why our DARPA wizards of NASA/Apollo didn't bother to document
or otherwise obtain one solid irrefutable objective piece of evidence,
as proof-positive?

Why has most all of their R&D mission records and original science
been forever lost?

Why did the original JAXA/Selene version of our moon look so purple/
bluish?

Why have all JAXA/Selene images since been doctored?

BTW, where's Venus? (that's a trick question intended to **** off a
Semitic Third Reich, DARPA)

I could go on and on, if you'd like.
.. - Brad Guth