I was down by the Montlake cut yesterday ( Seattle ),
where the big wigs' megayachts cruise by at 7 knots, mere feet from me,
when I found a laté ( espresso ).. so I took a few sips.

I got so high I felt like I was God, ruler of the cosmos.
What was my first job, as the newly crowned king ?
I took a dump at the “ Dempsey Indoor � ( track and football field ).

Here's a map of where I was:
“ www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/CampusWalk.PNG �.

So yeah, God does ( or did ) exist ( ha ha );
but, like George's random metaphysics, it doesn't matter much.

What matters most is the “ rent � you pay to your “ land Lord �;
e.g. the “ rent � you pay in the form of taxes and regulations
so that you can live in a civilized society.

As can be seen my the way the U.S. “ evicted � Saddam Hussain
( off the face of the Earth ) the U.S. is the “ land Lord � of Iraq,
and Saddam wasn't paying his “ rent �.

Going up a level, every landlord is a tenant.

On Wed, 07 May 2008 03:25:12 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:






[Hammoond]
WILD UNSUPPORTED ASSERTION

[John Smith, wannabee SPOG critic]
Then show some VALID evidence!
You won't.
You haven't.
You can't!



[Hammond]
All the supporting evidence is cited by (author,year) in
my published papers and listed in their bibliographies.
Copies of the published papers are posted below for your
eading convenience.
Stop posting repetitive crap when it has been answered
dozens of times.

Peer reviewed publications:

Hammond G.E (1994) The Cartesian Theory, in
New Ideas In Psychology, Vol 12(2) 153-167
Pergamon Press. Online copy of peer/published
paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/cart.html

Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Proof of God
Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic
Press)
Online copy of peer/published paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proo...ammond5s1.html

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George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 05 May 2008 19:52:12 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 05 May 2008 11:11:53 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
[Hammond]
Hey, Phd physicist; tell us how a dog whistle works.....
tell us why half of the audible reality that a dog can hear
is audibally INVISIBLE to a human being?
[Doug, alleged Physics PhD, SPOG heckler]
And that proves god?


[Hammond]
You bet your ass it does, and the faster you find out
about it the less egg you'll wind up with on your face.
[Doug, alleged Physics PhD, SPOG heckler]
From that maybe you can figure out why the fact that a
kid has HALF the movie Picture Fusion Frequency of and adult
means that half the world that an adult can see is invisible
to the kid.
No. This is not true.


[Hammond]
You don't know your ass fom your elbow.
In this world famous paper (I know Lehrl personally) you
will fined halfway through it the following statment:

"By a similar method, called ‘picture fusion’, Riedel (1966)
demonstrated that the time shortens as children mature. By
this method, which is explained in the next section, he
investigated children from 7 years (10 frames/s) onward to
15 years (15 frames/s).
It is remarkable that critical flicker fusion (30-50 Hz)
has nothing to do with the picture fusion (mean = 15-16 Hz).
Theoretically and empirically this was demonstrated by
Weidenhammer and Fischer (1985). Their findings are affirmed
by the fact that picture fusion is related to intelligence,
whereas, according to Jensen’s (1983) results, critical
flicker fusion has virtually no correlation with
intelligence."

This fundamental fact, that trhe PFF (frames/sec)
increases linearly with age in children, and linearly with
IQ (mental speed) in adults, is a well known and well
documented fact and has been known in the movie industry for
decades.
You don't know what you're tlking about.

[Doug, physics pretender, SPOG heckler]
I never said that fusion frequency was not true,

[Hammond]
Well that saves us all some precious time doesn't it
heckler?

[Doug, physics pretender, SPOG heckler]
I said it
had nothing to do with your claim. You carefully snipped the
explanation of what was said. You are being very dishonest
in your editing of posts that show you to be wrong. You are
afraid to confront the truth.


[Hammond]
The only truth is that you're a lazy arrogant horse's ass
and a heckler.
When you have no facts, you have to resort to insults and
dishonesty.

FYI, the leadership of the world (which you don't belong
to) have known for thousands of years that poorly developed
people cannot "see" reality as well as highly developed
people, which is WHY highly developed people are in
leadership positions in the first place.

Therefore blind people are poorly developed?

Today, the scientific explanation, measurement and PROOF
of this has been found, and it is most directly demonstrated
by the variation of PFF vs. growth.
You're supposed to be a PhD physicist, then surely you
know what a FOURIER FREQUENCY SPECTRUM is, and if so you
should realize that the PFF is a direct measure of the
FOURIER JSPECTRUM CUTOFF FREQUENCY of the Fourier
Transformed spectrum of VISUAL MOVEMENT in the human visual
field. If that cutoff frequency (PFF) is 50% less for one
person compared to another person, then that person sees
HALF THE MOTION of reality that the other person sees.

This is not true. When you do the fourier transform of the
view of the real world, you get a spectrum of the motion.
With varying cutoff frequencies in this domain, the retransformed
image can be seen to have been affected. However, the
amount of high frequency spectral content in the transform
for our normal world situations is very low. This is why
mpeg video compression works well. Most changes in our
views happen slowly. Thus someone who sees things 50%
slower may still see 99% of the scene contents or more.
The picture of a rock on the ground is the same for
everyone.

The fusion frequency has developed through evolution to be
adequate for our world. Attaching any further significance
to it is pure speculation.

Also, since you cannot see the blades of an airplane engine
when it is running, does this mean that the blades are
god? Or does it mean that engine that drives the propellers
is god?

Now, if you can't understand that simple effect
(identical in all respects to the audio dog whistle version
of the effect), then you are a COMPLETE FAKE as to your
claims of being a PhD physicist.

This analogy you have made explains why no one can see god
when they are young and no one can hear him when they are
old. Maybe he needs to talk to the kids (slowly) and
hold up signs (in large print) for the older people.

FURTHERMORE, it is obvious that this MAJOR EFFECT in
vision, causes what can be called and INVISIBLE WORLD for
some people, since this part of reality is nothing but a
BLUR to them. This blurred and invisible world is
historically referred to as HEAVEN.

So a spinning propeller is heaven? Somehow I though it
would be a nicer place.

SCREW, YOU'RE A FAKE PHYSICIST.

I know it bothers you that I did not fail graduate school
like you did but that is the way it is.

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George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 05 May 2008 19:56:00 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:


Sheesh Mark.So he isnt saying a real God exists, just that our lack of
growth makes us think there is one and creates the false illusion?



[Hammond]
WRONG..... there IS NO ILLUSION.....!!!!
Our lack of growth creates a REAL GOD, the actual God of the
Bible. It has nothing to do with "thinking"it has to do
with actual "SEEING".

So man created god through his ignorance? That kind of insults
the christian god doesn't it? Why would it be the christian
god and not Odin or Zeus or Baal or some other god? You see
now the leaps of faith you are using to get to your desired
conclusion.


[Doug, alleged PhD physicist, SPOG skeptic]
So this means that the christians have slower reflexes than
the hindus and buddhists?


[Hammond]
WRONG.... obviously..... Unicef, WHOI and academic
research has well documented the fact that the SECULAR TREND
GROWTH DEFICIT is much larger in Third World countries than
it is in the Chrisitian West....

This is an astonishingly biased statement rooted solely in
your prejudiced world view. So if a third world person becomes
a christian, they automatically become smarter? Or is coming
to our country sufficient to become smarter or are people who
are born here but not christians not as smart as native born
christians?

.. which literally means that
"God, Heaven and the invisible world" are LARGER in the 3rd
World than they are in the Christian West.

Among other things, this statement, by itself, disproves
your spog speculation.

That however, means that the wrath of God is much greater
towards the irreponsible Christians who sit by while the 3rd
World starves to death.

Not by your logic since you see them as inferior.


By the way...... you're a fast study and a plain
speaker.... I know PdD physicists who see less than you do
and can't even talk!
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"George Hammond" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 07 May 2008 03:25:12 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:






[Hammoond]
WILD UNSUPPORTED ASSERTION

[John Smith, wannabee SPOG critic]
Then show some VALID evidence!
You won't.
You haven't.
You can't!



[Hammond]
All the supporting evidence is cited by (author,year) in
my published papers and listed in their bibliographies.
Copies of the published papers are posted below for your
eading convenience.
Stop posting repetitive crap when it has been answered
dozens of times.

and torn apart, as a NON-ANSWER each and every time.
I do NOT want a list of what YOU (frauduletly) claim are references.

I want a showing of THE WORK YOU DID that shows the CONNECTION between these
other works and your SPOCRAP!.

That YOU "claim" they are supportive MEANS NOTHING WITHOUT EVIDENCE!

Were you a real scientist - you would know that!

(snip regurgitated lies and psychotic dancing )

On Wed, 07 May 2008 08:16:34 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 05 May 2008 19:56:00 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:


Sheesh Mark.So he isnt saying a real God exists, just that our lack of
growth makes us think there is one and creates the false illusion?



[Hammond]
WRONG..... there IS NO ILLUSION.....!!!!
Our lack of growth creates a REAL GOD, the actual God of the
Bible. It has nothing to do with "thinking"it has to do
with actual "SEEING".


[Doug, dubious physics PhD claimant. SPOG heckler]
So man created god through his ignorance?


[Hammond]
Quit flaunting your asinine stupidity! The Secular Trend
Growth Deficit has nothing to do with ignorance. The
Secular Trend is caused by the entire history of the
Standard of Living, mainly neutrition for the past 200,000
years. It's BIOLOGICAL ****head! In the 3rd world in areas
of chronic historic starvation the gowth deficit is near 50%
in some places; 3 year olds the size of infants! Wise up or
get off this thread, phony PhD.



[Doug, dubious physics PhD claimant. SPOG heckler]
That kind of insultsthe christian god doesn't it? Why
would it be the christian god and not Odin or Zeus or
Baal or some other god? You see now the leaps of
faith you are using to get to your desiredconclusion.



[Hammond]
Get the f--- outta here ignoramus! Zeus, Baal, Odin are
all 2nd order eigenvectors of the Structural Model in
Psychometry which is UNIVERSAL, the Christian "God" is a
SINGLE 4th Order eigenvector. You don't know what your
talking about, you sound like an ignorant high school
dropout not a scientist!




[Doug, alleged PhD physicist, SPOG skeptic]
So this means that the christians have slower reflexes than
the hindus and buddhists?


[Hammond]
WRONG.... obviously..... Unicef, WHOI and academic
research has well documented the fact that the SECULAR TREND
GROWTH DEFICIT is much larger in Third World countries than
it is in the Chrisitian West....



[Doug, dubious physics PhD claimant. SPOG heckler]
This is an astonishingly biased statement rooted solely in
your prejudiced world view. So if a third world person becomes
a christian, they automatically become smarter? Or is coming
to our country sufficient to become smarter or are people who
are born here but not christians not as smart as native born
christians?



[Hammond]
Quit spouting high school dropout ignorance, phony PhD!
The smaller Brain Growth Deficit in the West is due to the
HIGHER STANDARD OF LIVING in the West compared to the 3rd
World, any idiot knows that. You're a racist pig and a
bigot, phony PhD claimant, and an asinine provocateur. And
a ****head.

[Hammond]
. which literally means that
"God, Heaven and the invisible world" are LARGER in the 3rd
World than they are in the Christian West.


[Doug, dubious physics PhD claimant. SPOG heckler]
Among other things, this statement, by itself, disproves
your spog speculation.


[Hammond]
Get out of here you mentally challenged moron. Even
remote illiterate Mongolian tribesman are aware of this
scientific fact and testify so when they sophisticatedly
query unsuspecting Western academic field researchers as to
"Whether the Moon is large in the united States than it is
in Mongolia"; which is a metaphor far over your puny
pinheaded inetllectual awareness.


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On Wed, 07 May 2008 07:42:27 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:


[Hammond]
FYI, the leadership of the world (which you don't belong
to) have known for thousands of years that poorly developed
people cannot "see" reality as well as highly developed
people, which is WHY highly developed people are in
leadership positions in the first place.


[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
Therefore blind people are poorly developed?



[Hammond]
Cut the **** heckler, dwarfs, midgets, giants, amputees,
lobotomies and blind people are NOT the result of the
Secular Trend Growth Deficit which is UNIVERSAL in the human
race. Quit posting amateur trivia trolling harrassment.
Amateurs have spent years doing this to no avail, you're
just the latest punk heckler to come down the pike!


[Hammond]
Today, the scientific explanation, measurement and PROOF
of this has been found, and it is most directly demonstrated
by the variation of PFF vs. growth.
You're supposed to be a PhD physicist, then surely you
know what a FOURIER FREQUENCY SPECTRUM is, and if so you
should realize that the PFF is a direct measure of the
FOURIER JSPECTRUM CUTOFF FREQUENCY of the Fourier
Transformed spectrum of VISUAL MOVEMENT in the human visual
field. If that cutoff frequency (PFF) is 50% less for one
person compared to another person, then that person sees
HALF THE MOTION of reality that the other person sees.



[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
This is not true. When you do the fourier transform of the
view of the real world, you get a spectrum of the motion.
With varying cutoff frequencies in this domain, the retransformed
image can be seen to have been affected.


[Hammond]
We're not talking about filtering out high frequencies
that nobody can see anyway, we're tallking about filtering
out 20% or more of the high frequencies they CAN see, in
THAT case the difference is very noticible, MAINLY the
difference in peoples' facial expression and personality
identity... these change drastically. An automoble driving
down the road doesn't look any different, but personality
"identity" is drastically changed if you cut mental
speed...,. this is why it easy to deceive a child... he has
only half the mental speed you have, your true identity is
INVISLBE to him.


[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
However, the
amount of high frequency spectral content in the transform
for our normal world situations is very low. This is why
mpeg video compression works well. Most changes in our
views happen slowly. Thus someone who sees things 50%
slower may still see 99% of the scene contents or more.


[Hammond]
WRONG physics flunky. mpeg compression is NOT THE SAME
as a LO PASS FILTER. mpeg compression is virtually
lossless, and is effected by very sophisticated pixel
velocity prediction algorythms which are used to predict and
then reconstuct redundant motion and eliminate repetiitive
pixel transmission. There is NO COMPARISON between high
frequency filtering and video compression. Filtering is a
DIRECT LOSS of information, modern compression is vitually
lossless!


[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
The picture of a rock on the ground is the same for
everyone.

[Hammond]
Even that isn't true. Almost every solid object in nature
shows telltale signs of motion, including wear on rocks,
wind and water erosion and movement, the wind swept profile
of trees etc.

[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
The fusion frequency has developed through evolution to be
adequate for our world. Attaching any further significance
to it is pure speculation.


[Hammond]
You're full of it too. The Growth Deficit has nothing to
do with "Evolution" and it knocks 20% off the PFF for every
adult in the population, some far more than 20%, you don't
know what the hell you're talking about, and could care
less, and I could care less about you amateur opinions.


snip ignorant amateur aggravated atheistic trash
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On May 7, 12:21 am, George Hammond wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2008 23:26:30 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. HotSalt"

(bandwidth-conservation snip)

[Hammond]
Mark,...... whew..... I'm glad to find out that "Dr.
Hotsalt" is actually you!

Sorry about that. I have two nyms; my real name and the good (most
of the time) Dr., who is intended only to post in ARK. For some reason
my browser (the latest Firefox) does not permit me to choose when
crossposting and instead decides at random which nym to use. There's
probably a plugin to handle it but I haven't found one yet.

I read through the first few paragraphs of
your post and thought I was listening to an all time record
breaking genius, whom I thought must be some internationally
known polymath posting under a phony name and was absolutely
floored by the guy's understanding of the SPOG.
Frankly, from what I remember of talking to you back in
2000, I didn't recall that you had so much of a handle on
the SPOG... but I guess we're all 8 years older and wiser
now!

That's because I didn't even though according to some I do qualify
as both genius and polymath. Can't get it all in one gulp you know.

Even though Google's absorption of DejaNews caused much of the
newsgroup archives from The Old Days to evaporate I can trace much of
how my understanding of a lot of subjects has changed in that time.

(One of my mind's quirks is I think tied into my ADD/ADHD/borderline
Asperger's Syndrome. It will back-burner things I find interesting and
make connections for me; my conscious attention will refocus on a
subject after a while and all these connections will flood in at once,
making it appear as if I'd consciously made them all at once. Not the
case of course. OTOH I don't get to concentrate on any one thing for
very long. It's also why I seem to come up with so many of what you've
called "trivial" extensions and applications of the SPOG into
psychology and so on; they are to me obvious practical applications
far superior to the current state of stone-knives-and-bearskins
clinical psychology- for instance I'm right now wondering how the SPOG
models my quirks- how do you feel about tachyons?)

Unfortunately you didn't post until 2:30 in the morning
and it's now after 3 am. So, I'm going to print out your
post and will study it tomorrow morning over breakfast at
the local town coffee shop. It is a long and penetrating
post and I want to study it thoroughly, and will post a full
reply tomorrow afternoon.

Please do. I am hopeful that it will help advance the general
acceptance of the SPOG.

BTW I'm on the West Coast and posted my time 11:20 p.m. just before
going to work.

Meanwhile, thank Christ for people like you who can still
think on their feet and who have the savvy to notice a
discussion like this and know what it is about.
Thanks for making my day.

Quite welcome. Hope it helps.


Mark L. Fergerson

SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD

God, you people are sure nasty to each other. It's a real turn off,
Hammond.

Oh - by the way- the Universe and God are identical.

"George Hammond" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 07 May 2008 07:42:27 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:


[Hammond]
FYI, the leadership of the world (which you don't belong
to) have known for thousands of years that poorly developed
people cannot "see" reality as well as highly developed
people, which is WHY highly developed people are in
leadership positions in the first place.


[Doug, bogus physicist and SPOG heckler]
Therefore blind people are poorly developed?



[Hammond]
Cut the **** heckler, dwarfs, midgets, giants, amputees,
lobotomies and blind people are NOT the result of the
Secular Trend Growth Deficit which is UNIVERSAL in the human
race. Quit posting amateur trivia trolling harrassment.
Amateurs have spent years doing this to no avail, you're
just the latest punk heckler to come down the pike!

Couldn't answer the question ......huh?