George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 5 May 2008 21:36:17 +0000 (UTC),
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond writes:

Hey, Phd physicist; tell us how a dog whistle works.....
tell us why half of the audible reality that a dog can hear
is audibally INVISIBLE to a human being?
From that maybe you can figure out why the fact that a
kid has HALF the movie Picture Fusion Frequency of and adult
means that half the world that an adult can see is invisible
to the kid.
[Michael Moroney, heckler]
Actually George has this backwards (no surprise here). Kids can hear
higher frequencies than adults and the ability to hear high frequencies
decreases with age.



[Hammond]
Irrelevant heckler trivia. The next thing he'll do is
start posting about Flickker Fusion Frequency whaich has
NOTHING to do with it.
The following has been well researched and documented:

http://www.v-weiss.de/lehrl-full.html#_edn1
"By a similar method, called ‘picture fusion’ Riedel (1966)
demonstrated that the time shortens as children mature. By
this method, which is explained in the next section, he
investigated children from 7 years (10 frames/s) onward to
15 years (15 frames/s)."

Obviously from this well known data which is common
knowlege in the movie industry since the time of Thomas
Edison, a child cn only see 1/3 of the moving reality that
is visible to an adult. 2/3's OF REALITY IS INVISBLE !

No, no, no. You keep making the mistaken leap, and you ignore the fact
that it's been pointed out MANY times.

The effect you are describing relates to the point that various subjects
perceive flickering static pictures "merge" into the illusion of motion.
You are leaping to the erroneous conclusion that this means that
there is some sort of information lost.

AGAIN, the experiments show ONLY that apparent motion of flashing static
images convert at different rates, NO information is lost, no matter the
apparent conversion rate.

This is stressed AT LENGTH by Siegfried Lehrl and Kristian Gerst Meyer -
they were focused (mostly) on physical science related to the eye
(mostly the lens), but extensively reworked earlier thoughts.

If, as you claim, you know Lehrl "personally" you should keep up.

If you need help with the German, you need only ask.

George Hammond wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2008 02:32:52 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:

"George Hammond" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 5 May 2008 21:36:17 +0000 (UTC),
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond writes:

Hey, Phd physicist; tell us how a dog whistle works.....
tell us why half of the audible reality that a dog can hear
is audibally INVISIBLE to a human being?
From that maybe you can figure out why the fact that a
kid has HALF the movie Picture Fusion Frequency of and adult
means that half the world that an adult can see is invisible
to the kid.
[Michael Moroney, heckler]
Actually George has this backwards (no surprise here). Kids can hear
higher frequencies than adults and the ability to hear high frequencies
decreases with age.



[Hammond]
Irrelevant heckler trivia. The next thing he'll do is
start posting about Flickker Fusion Frequency whaich has
NOTHING to do with it.
The following has been well researched and documented:

http://www.v-weiss.de/lehrl-full.html#_edn1
"By a similar method, called 'picture fusion' Riedel (1966)
demonstrated that the time shortens as children mature. By
this method, which is explained in the next section, he
investigated children from 7 years (10 frames/s) onward to
15 years (15 frames/s)."

Obviously from this well known data which is common
knowlege in the movie industry since the time of Thomas
Edison, a child cn only see 1/3 of the moving reality that
is visible to an adult. 2/3's OF REALITY IS INVISBLE !
Just like half of "dog world" is INAUDIBLE to a human being.
Go back to school moron. This is cut and dried science.

[John Smith, SPOG critic]
It is controversial claims, NOT "cut and dried science".


[Hammond]
Horse****..... the linear variation of the PFF with
childhood growth, just like IQ, has been common knowlege
known and documented for 75 years.

So? It still has nothing to do with a god.


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On Mon, 05 May 2008 19:52:12 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 05 May 2008 11:11:53 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:


[Hammond]
Hey, Phd physicist; tell us how a dog whistle works.....
tell us why half of the audible reality that a dog can hear
is audibally INVISIBLE to a human being?

[Doug, alleged Physics PhD, SPOG heckler]
And that proves god?


[Hammond]
You bet your ass it does, and the faster you find out
about it the less egg you'll wind up with on your face.

[Doug, alleged Physics PhD, SPOG heckler]
From that maybe you can figure out why the fact that a
kid has HALF the movie Picture Fusion Frequency of and adult
means that half the world that an adult can see is invisible
to the kid.
No. This is not true.


[Hammond]
You don't know your ass fom your elbow.
In this world famous paper (I know Lehrl personally) you
will fined halfway through it the following statment:

"By a similar method, called ‘picture fusion’, Riedel (1966)
demonstrated that the time shortens as children mature. By
this method, which is explained in the next section, he
investigated children from 7 years (10 frames/s) onward to
15 years (15 frames/s).
It is remarkable that critical flicker fusion (30-50 Hz)
has nothing to do with the picture fusion (mean = 15-16 Hz).
Theoretically and empirically this was demonstrated by
Weidenhammer and Fischer (1985). Their findings are affirmed
by the fact that picture fusion is related to intelligence,
whereas, according to Jensen’s (1983) results, critical
flicker fusion has virtually no correlation with
intelligence."

This fundamental fact, that trhe PFF (frames/sec)
increases linearly with age in children, and linearly with
IQ (mental speed) in adults, is a well known and well
documented fact and has been known in the movie industry for
decades.
You don't know what you're tlking about.


[Doug, physics pretender, SPOG heckler]
I never said that fusion frequency was not true,

[Hammond]
Well that saves us all some precious time doesn't it
heckler?


[Doug, physics pretender, SPOG heckler]
I said it
had nothing to do with your claim. You carefully snipped the
explanation of what was said. You are being very dishonest
in your editing of posts that show you to be wrong. You are
afraid to confront the truth.


[Hammond]
The only truth is that you're a lazy arrogant horse's ass
and a heckler.
FYI, the leadership of the world (which you don't belong
to) have known for thousands of years that poorly developed
people cannot "see" reality as well as highly developed
people, which is WHY highly developed people are in
leadership positions in the first place.
Today, the scientific explanation, measurement and PROOF
of this has been found, and it is most directly demonstrated
by the variation of PFF vs. growth.
You're supposed to be a PhD physicist, then surely you
know what a FOURIER FREQUENCY SPECTRUM is, and if so you
should realize that the PFF is a direct measure of the
FOURIER JSPECTRUM CUTOFF FREQUENCY of the Fourier
Transformed spectrum of VISUAL MOVEMENT in the human visual
field. If that cutoff frequency (PFF) is 50% less for one
person compared to another person, then that person sees
HALF THE MOTION of reality that the other person sees.
Now, if you can't understand that simple effect
(identical in all respects to the audio dog whistle version
of the effect), then you are a COMPLETE FAKE as to your
claims of being a PhD physicist.
FURTHERMORE, it is obvious that this MAJOR EFFECT in
vision, causes what can be called and INVISIBLE WORLD for
some people, since this part of reality is nothing but a
BLUR to them. This blurred and invisible world is
historically referred to as HEAVEN.
SCREW, YOU'RE A FAKE PHYSICIST.
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On Mon, 05 May 2008 19:53:46 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

Michael Moroney wrote:
George Hammond writes:

Hey, Phd physicist; tell us how a dog whistle works.....
tell us why half of the audible reality that a dog can hear
is audibally INVISIBLE to a human being?
From that maybe you can figure out why the fact that a
kid has HALF the movie Picture Fusion Frequency of and adult
means that half the world that an adult can see is invisible
to the kid.

Actually George has this backwards (no surprise here). Kids can hear
higher frequencies than adults and the ability to hear high frequencies
decreases with age. Google "mosquito ringtone" to see how kids take
advantage of this in schools and elsewhere.

[Doug, alleged physicist, SPOG heckler]
Maybe that means that god is a very young person when he listens to
things and a very old one when he watches things. That cannot be
right though since light travels faster than sound.


[Hammond]
Don't be ridiculous. You've been told a thousand times
that children are only an EXEMPLAR of the effect that
actually causes "God" in the population, and that is the
Secular Trend in Human Growth, which causes the average
person in the human population to only reach about 80% of
full growth...... and this is WHY there is a "God". Stupid
huckster.
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=====================================

George Hammond wrote:

[snip]

1) The "existence", of anything, depends entirely on the
sensory perception of Man. There IS NO definition
of the word "existence" that is independent of the
action of a HUMAN observer.

That's an idea that a child ceases to believe at around 1 year of age.
After that age, they seem to be able to comprehend the idea that objects
persist even when they leave their field of view.

Sometimes, there just isn't a child around to explain things when you
need one.

--
Paul Hovnanian
------------------------------------------------------------------
"The beauty of a chainsaw is that you don't have to start it. Just
show up with it." - Joe Walsh, on checking in to hotels

On Mon, 05 May 2008 19:56:00 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:




Sheesh Mark.So he isnt saying a real God exists, just that our lack of
growth makes us think there is one and creates the false illusion?



[Hammond]
WRONG..... there IS NO ILLUSION.....!!!!
Our lack of growth creates a REAL GOD, the actual God of the
Bible. It has nothing to do with "thinking"it has to do
with actual "SEEING".


[Doug, alleged PhD physicist, SPOG skeptic]
So this means that the christians have slower reflexes than
the hindus and buddhists?


[Hammond]
WRONG.... obviously..... Unicef, WHOI and academic
research has well documented the fact that the SECULAR TREND
GROWTH DEFICIT is much larger in Third World countries than
it is in the Chrisitian West..... which literally means that
"God, Heaven and the invisible world" are LARGER in the 3rd
World than they are in the Christian West.
That however, means that the wrath of God is much greater
towards the irreponsible Christians who sit by while the 3rd
World starves to death.


By the way...... you're a fast study and a plain
speaker.... I know PdD physicists who see less than you do
and can't even talk!
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GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
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=====================================

On Mon, 05 May 2008 21:13:30 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2008 02:32:52 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:

"George Hammond" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 5 May 2008 21:36:17 +0000 (UTC),
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond writes:

Hey, Phd physicist; tell us how a dog whistle works.....
tell us why half of the audible reality that a dog can hear
is audibally INVISIBLE to a human being?
From that maybe you can figure out why the fact that a
kid has HALF the movie Picture Fusion Frequency of and adult
means that half the world that an adult can see is invisible
to the kid.
[Michael Moroney, heckler]
Actually George has this backwards (no surprise here). Kids can hear
higher frequencies than adults and the ability to hear high frequencies
decreases with age.



[Hammond]
Irrelevant heckler trivia. The next thing he'll do is
start posting about Flickker Fusion Frequency whaich has
NOTHING to do with it.
The following has been well researched and documented:

http://www.v-weiss.de/lehrl-full.html#_edn1
"By a similar method, called 'picture fusion' Riedel (1966)
demonstrated that the time shortens as children mature. By
this method, which is explained in the next section, he
investigated children from 7 years (10 frames/s) onward to
15 years (15 frames/s)."

Obviously from this well known data which is common
knowlege in the movie industry since the time of Thomas
Edison, a child cn only see 1/3 of the moving reality that
is visible to an adult. 2/3's OF REALITY IS INVISBLE !
Just like half of "dog world" is INAUDIBLE to a human being.
Go back to school moron. This is cut and dried science.

[John Smith, SPOG critic]
It is controversial claims, NOT "cut and dried science".


[Hammond]
Horse****..... the linear variation of the PFF with
childhood growth, just like IQ, has been common knowlege
known and documented for 75 years.

[Doug, alleged physicist, SPOG critic]
So? It still has nothing to do with a god.


[Hammond]
Stop playing dumb. Obviously the PFF is the Fourier
Cutoff frequency of the human detection of visual motion,
and it WELL KNOWN to vary linearly with Human Growth.
Ergo, since the Secular Trend in Human Growth shows that
the average person only reaches about 80% of full growth;
20% of REALITY is INVISIBLE to the average person!
Clearly this constitutes an INVISBLE WORLD which is
exactly what Religion has been claiming for thousands of
years.
Furthermore, it doesn’t take rocket science to figure out
that a fully grown human (of which theire are none) would be
ABLE to see 100% of reality, this person is called "GOD"
historically. QED, a scientific explanation of God has been
discovered.
AND REMEMBER, the evidence from the PFF is only
ELEMENTARY EVIDENCE which bozo's like you are able to
discuss, the SOPHISTICATED AND DEFINITIVE PROOF comes
from100 years of published Psychometry eigenvector structure
which proves that invisibility is caused by a EINSTEINIAN
CURVATURE of subjective spacetime, of course THAT is BEYOND
your puny scientific capacity.... you can't even understand
how a dog whistle works, never mind the "invisible world".
=====================================
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mirror site:
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GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
=====================================
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mirror site:
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GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
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=====================================

On Mon, 05 May 2008 23:27:59 -0400, TMG
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 5 May 2008 21:36:17 +0000 (UTC),
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond writes:

Hey, Phd physicist; tell us how a dog whistle works.....
tell us why half of the audible reality that a dog can hear
is audibally INVISIBLE to a human being?
From that maybe you can figure out why the fact that a
kid has HALF the movie Picture Fusion Frequency of and adult
means that half the world that an adult can see is invisible
to the kid.
[Michael Moroney, heckler]
Actually George has this backwards (no surprise here). Kids can hear
higher frequencies than adults and the ability to hear high frequencies
decreases with age.



[Hammond]
Irrelevant heckler trivia. The next thing he'll do is
start posting about Flickker Fusion Frequency whaich has
NOTHING to do with it.
The following has been well researched and documented:

http://www.v-weiss.de/lehrl-full.html#_edn1
"By a similar method, called ‘picture fusion’ Riedel (1966)
demonstrated that the time shortens as children mature. By
this method, which is explained in the next section, he
investigated children from 7 years (10 frames/s) onward to
15 years (15 frames/s)."

Obviously from this well known data which is common
knowlege in the movie industry since the time of Thomas
Edison, a child cn only see 1/3 of the moving reality that
is visible to an adult. 2/3's OF REALITY IS INVISBLE !

No, no, no. You keep making the mistaken leap, and you ignore the fact
that it's been pointed out MANY times.

The effect you are describing relates to the point that various subjects
perceive flickering static pictures "merge" into the illusion of motion.
You are leaping to the erroneous conclusion that this means that
there is some sort of information lost.

AGAIN, the experiments show ONLY that apparent motion of flashing static
images convert at different rates, NO information is lost, no matter the
apparent conversion rate.

This is stressed AT LENGTH by Siegfried Lehrl and Kristian Gerst Meyer -
they were focused (mostly) on physical science related to the eye
(mostly the lens), but extensively reworked earlier thoughts.

If, as you claim, you know Lehrl "personally" you should keep up.



[Hammond]
NO...... the problem is you're another half baked phony
PhD physicist who has a degree in some lame brain applied
physics field, in your case "ocean physics" whatever the
hell that is.
I suggest you talk to "Doug" who is apparently another
half baked PhD physicist who is also an aggravated SPOG
critic. Sheesh....
Point is, you don't even know enough physics to realize
that the "PFF" is the FOURIER SPECTRUM CUTOFF FREQUENCY of
the human visual system's ability to perceive motion.
You don't know what a Fourier Frequency Spectrum of a
time varying function is, and you are not aware of what
happens if you put a high frequency filter in the line and
CUTOFF all the high frequency components. so I’ll TELL YOU
what the effect is, it causes all fast motion in the field
to become a BLUR.... to become INVISIBLE if it's fast
enough. turns out that filter is you're "intelligence" and
intelligence varies DIRECTLY with growth.
Now that's basic physics, and obviously the "PFF" is
simply a direct way to quantitatively MEASURE the CUTOFF
FREQUENCY in any individual.
You don't know what you're talking about!
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On Mon, 05 May 2008 21:21:07 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:

[snip]

1) The "existence", of anything, depends entirely on the
sensory perception of Man. There IS NO definition
of the word "existence" that is independent of the
action of a HUMAN observer.


[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]
That's an idea that a child ceases to believe at around 1 year of age.


[Hammond]
unsupported assertion, irrelevant.

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]
After that age, they seem to be able to comprehend the idea that objects
persist even when they leave their field of view.


[Hammond]
We're NOT talking about THAT dummy..... we're concerned
here about what would happen is ALL PEOPLE WERE DEAD, and
we are concerned about what happened when ALL PEOPLE
SUDDENLY APPEARED 200,000 YEARS AGO.
Get real, pay attention, wake up.
If all people ceased to exist, reality would cease to exist
with them, since reality, BY DEFINITON, does not exist
without MAN to observe it into "reality".
Anybody who claims differently simply is asserting that
"IF' a person existed before the human race was born, then
he would have seen reality. No doubt he world have, but in
point of fact no one DID exist before the human race was
born, therefore, the statement that the universe "existed"
before Man appeared, IS PATENTLY AND OBVIOUSLY FALSE.
that's why the Bibler says the world was CREATED 200,000
years ago... they actually claim 6,000, buts that because
anthropology was in its infancey when the bible was written
so they are about 194,000 years short. Not bad for ancient
science however.
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Sometimes, there just isn't a child around to explain things when you
need one.

On 6 May, 03:17, "John Smith" wrote:
"Roger Pearse" wrote in message

...
On 5 May, 12:58, "John Smith" wrote:

"Roger Pearse" wrote in message
Well, why not digest this into a web page, and just link to it?

There is no need to summarize and post a webpage about Hammond's
work. It is so outrageously wrong ...

Although I don;t recall where it is; there is a web page showing all the
false and insane claims George has made (which pretty much includes
everything he's ever posted or written).

That's the sort of thing we need, written calmly and sensibly.

Well, I don't understand what George's theory is. But I don't learn
from any of these posts here what it is either.

What I do see is that all the posts which are critical of it (and him
-- surely irrelevant?) are no more than what George called
'heckling'.

The only valid point someone has made in defense of George was something
like "it's not nice to make fun of, and tease, the mentally
retarded."

While true, I haven't seen anybody make a valid point *against* George
yet.

There have been many; maybe you just weren't paying attention.
Most start out making valid points against what George claims - but they
soon find out that George is just an ignorant moron making the same crap
claims over and over again.

How about the latest - where George fraudulently cites his 40 year old CVs
as validation of his claims, then attacks someone who has a Ph.D. because
they aren't as smart (as he)?

All the best,

Roger Pearse

I note that you have written your comments in such a manner as to make
it seem that the above remarks are by me. They are not.

All the best,

Roger Pearse