On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:41:02 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:31:27 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:33:49 -0700, doug doug@none wrote:

[Hammond]
1. If Man does not exist, then nothing exists.


[Doug, unverified Physics PhD claimant]
This is an unsupported assumption which is actually what you
are trying to prove. Thus your "proof" is DOA.


[Hammond]
YOU'RE STUPID!
The SPOG is a 3 significant figure proven discovery that
Psychometric Factor Analysis is CAUSALLY IDENTICAL to
Linearized Gravity in Relativity.
This is SCIENTIFIC PROOF that Man's "subjective reality"
(subjective spacetime) differs by a MAJOR REATIVISTIC
CURVATURE from "objective reality" (objective spacetime).
This PROVES that the very long standing, indeed ancient, and
historically unrefuted "unsupported assumption" you refer to
above, is manifestly now a PROVEN FACT. QED, God
isscientifically explained and proven.


[Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant]
This is just a bunch of word salad.


Hammond]
Unsupported assertion.
Fact is you are SCIENTIFICALLY UNQUALIFIED to even read
the above statment because you don't even know what
"Psychometry Factor Analysis" is, nor are you aware that
there are "3 orthogonal cleaveages of the brain which CAUSE
THE 13 "CUBIC" EIGENVECTORS of PSYCHOMETRY.
You don't know what you're talking about.


[Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant]
There is no content to
discuss here.


Hammond]
Unsupported assertion.
The only thing that is "no content" is your post.


[Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant]
Your earlier claim that 12=13 certainly is not
accurate to 3 significant figures.


[Hammond]
Never said it that.
What I said is that the 13 Factor Analytic eigenvectors
that represent the "Olympian Gods" are THEMSELVES MEASURED
TO 3 SIGNFICANT FIGURE ACCURACY EXPERIMENTALLY. The fact
that there are 13 rather than 12 is irrelevant in that it is
only "approximately" known that the Egypto-Greco-Roman
pantheon consisted of approximately "a dozen gods".


[Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant]
You are making amazingly inconsistent claims. First you are
claiming that the christian god is to only one and then you
claim to have proof of the number of Greek gods. None of
these are real. The egyptian gods are not real. You cannot
make any proof about the number of things that are not real.


[Hammond]
Look you Physics dufus the dozen Egyptian gods are
EXACTLY REAL in the same way Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and
Porky Pig are real; they are Personality types that show up
as accurately measured EXPERIMENTAL EIGENVECTORS in
Psychometry and further turn out to be CUBICALLY CORRELATED.
Look .. "Charm, Color, and Strangeness" are REAL because
they show up as EIGENVECTORS in Quantum Field Theory, and
are experimentally verified. SAME THING IS TRUE OF THE 13
GODS OF THE Egypto-Greco-Roman Pantheon.
How many different ways do I have to say it.... you believe
particle physics don't you..... guess what..... Religion has
been proven in the SAME WAY ( By Hammond (2003))
My claims are spelled out in elaborate detail in my
published paper (Noetic Press) a copy of which is posted
for your reading convenience at:

Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Proof of God
Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic
Press)
Online copy of peer/published paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proo...ammond5s1.html

The exact calculation of the number of "gods" is in
section VI:

VI Elementary science evidence that
the 4th order factor is "God".

If you're too lazy to read this ELEMENTARY section of the
peer published paper I'm not going to argue with you about
"12 or 13 gods". There is no point in arguing with someone
who doesn't even know what he's arguing about, just because
he wants to argue.

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[Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant]
Making statements that
are just random and then trying to claim they are somehow
proof of something does not fly with anyone, much less
any scientists.

[Hammond]
The US Constitution and Einstein sound like "random
words" to totally ignorant, lazy and aggravated people. That
doesn't mean they are.
Any educated person sees the coherence of the Constitution and
scientists understand Einstein. However, your random babble
means nothing and is just babble.

Fact is, you simply don't know what you're talking about,
and could care less.... you're interest doesn't go beyond
comparing 12 to 13. You're just another psycho heckler.
totally worthless.


You really hate it when it is pointed out that you are wrong.
I would have thought that you were used to it by now.
Has anyone ever agreed with you.

[Hammond]
Snip rest of psycho drivel.

No you left the drivel below still in the post.

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:05:51 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:


"George Hammond" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:36:18 GMT, George Hammond
wrote:



You are badly informed again!

[Hammond]
I doubt it and you certainly haven't proved it.


[Doug unverified Phd physics claimant]
That's George.
Bellow totally ignorant, unscientiic and unsupported statements - then,
arrogantly and ignorantly, i9nsult others because they cannot prove that his
invented crap is really crap.


[Hammond]
Until you've read Section VI of my paper and actually
know what you're talking about I'm not going to waste my
time responding to some phony Usenet PdD claimant:

READ:

VI Elementary science evidence that
the 4th order factor is "God".

Located at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proo...ammond5s2.html

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:42:51 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:



SNIP AMATEUR PSYCHO CRAP
Poasted by "Doug" a phony Usenet unverified PhD claimant.
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George Hammond wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:42:51 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:


SNIP AMATEUR PSYCHO CRAP
Poasted by "Doug" a phony Usenet unverified PhD claimant.
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You snip the content since you do not like people showing that
you are wrong.

George Hammond wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:41:02 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:31:27 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:33:49 -0700, doug doug@none wrote:

[Hammond]
1. If Man does not exist, then nothing exists.


[Doug, unverified Physics PhD claimant]
This is an unsupported assumption which is actually what you
are trying to prove. Thus your "proof" is DOA.


[Hammond]
YOU'RE STUPID!
The SPOG is a 3 significant figure proven discovery that
Psychometric Factor Analysis is CAUSALLY IDENTICAL to
Linearized Gravity in Relativity.
This is SCIENTIFIC PROOF that Man's "subjective reality"
(subjective spacetime) differs by a MAJOR REATIVISTIC
CURVATURE from "objective reality" (objective spacetime).
This PROVES that the very long standing, indeed ancient, and
historically unrefuted "unsupported assumption" you refer to
above, is manifestly now a PROVEN FACT. QED, God
isscientifically explained and proven.

[Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant]
This is just a bunch of word salad.


Hammond]
Unsupported assertion.
Fact is you are SCIENTIFICALLY UNQUALIFIED to even read
the above statment because you don't even know what
"Psychometry Factor Analysis" is, nor are you aware that
there are "3 orthogonal cleaveages of the brain which CAUSE
THE 13 "CUBIC" EIGENVECTORS of PSYCHOMETRY.
You don't know what you're talking about.


[Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant]
There is no content to
discuss here.


Hammond]
Unsupported assertion.
The only thing that is "no content" is your post.


[Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant]
Your earlier claim that 12=13 certainly is not
accurate to 3 significant figures.


[Hammond]
Never said it that.
What I said is that the 13 Factor Analytic eigenvectors
that represent the "Olympian Gods" are THEMSELVES MEASURED
TO 3 SIGNFICANT FIGURE ACCURACY EXPERIMENTALLY. The fact
that there are 13 rather than 12 is irrelevant in that it is
only "approximately" known that the Egypto-Greco-Roman
pantheon consisted of approximately "a dozen gods".

[Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant]
You are making amazingly inconsistent claims. First you are
claiming that the christian god is to only one and then you
claim to have proof of the number of Greek gods. None of
these are real. The egyptian gods are not real. You cannot
make any proof about the number of things that are not real.

[Hammond]
Look you Physics dufus the dozen Egyptian gods are
EXACTLY REAL in the same way Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and
Porky Pig are real; they are Personality types that show up
as accurately measured EXPERIMENTAL EIGENVECTORS in
Psychometry and further turn out to be CUBICALLY CORRELATED.
Look .. "Charm, Color, and Strangeness" are REAL because
they show up as EIGENVECTORS in Quantum Field Theory, and
are experimentally verified. SAME THING IS TRUE OF THE 13
GODS OF THE Egypto-Greco-Roman Pantheon.

Or 12 assuming that the Greeks did not know the difference
between 12 and 13 as you have claimed earlier.

How many different ways do I have to say it.... you believe
particle physics don't you..... guess what..... Religion has
been proven in the SAME WAY ( By Hammond (2003))

The only differences being that competent experimenters have
confirmed predictions by competent theorists. This is the
way science is done. Wild speculation backed only by a
mishmash of unrelated babble does not constitute either
a theory or a proof of anything.

My claims are spelled out in elaborate detail in my
published paper (Noetic Press) a copy of which is posted
for your reading convenience at:

Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Proof of God
Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic
Press)
Online copy of peer/published paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proo...ammond5s1.html

Vanity press does not count as peer reviewed by anyone.
I read this long ago and still drag it out occasionally
to laugh at. Everyone has enjoyed it as a piece of humor.

The exact calculation of the number of "gods" is in
section VI:

VI Elementary science evidence that
the 4th order factor is "God".




If you're too lazy to read this ELEMENTARY section of the
peer published paper I'm not going to argue with you about
"12 or 13 gods". There is no point in arguing with someone
who doesn't even know what he's arguing about, just because
he wants to argue.

This is the most humorous part of your "proof". You want to
somehow, with no justification, identify perception of reality
as a god. This is pretty bizarre as it comes out of nowhere
with no justification and is, in fact, completely opposite to
what happens in the real world. The more educated people
are, the less they cling to the myths of the religions.

Even if it were true, and it is not, you have shown no
connection with a god. This is just you hoping that no
one will notice that this assuming what you want to prove.


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[Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant]
Making statements that
are just random and then trying to claim they are somehow
proof of something does not fly with anyone, much less
any scientists.

[Hammond]
The US Constitution and Einstein sound like "random
words" to totally ignorant, lazy and aggravated people. That
doesn't mean they are.
Any educated person sees the coherence of the Constitution and
scientists understand Einstein. However, your random babble
means nothing and is just babble.

Fact is, you simply don't know what you're talking about,
and could care less.... you're interest doesn't go beyond
comparing 12 to 13. You're just another psycho heckler.
totally worthless.
You really hate it when it is pointed out that you are wrong.
I would have thought that you were used to it by now.
Has anyone ever agreed with you.

[Hammond]
Snip rest of psycho drivel.
No you left the drivel below still in the post.

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http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
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http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
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George Hammond wrote:
[snip crap]

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
Dunning-Kruger effect (2000 Ig Nobel Prize): ignorance more
frequently begets confidence than does knowledge

1) Incompetent individuals tend to overestimate their own level of
skill.
2) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize genuine skill in
others.
3) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize the extremity of their
inadequacy.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

George Hammond wrote:
[snip crap]

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
Dunning-Kruger effect (2000 Ig Nobel Prize): ignorance more
frequently begets confidence than does knowledge

1) Incompetent individuals tend to overestimate their own level of
skill.
2) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize genuine skill in
others.
3) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize the extremity of their
inadequacy.


--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

George Hammond wrote:
[snip crap]

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
Dunning-Kruger effect (2000 Ig Nobel Prize): ignorance more
frequently begets confidence than does knowledge

1) Incompetent individuals tend to overestimate their own level of
skill.
2) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize genuine skill in
others.
3) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize the extremity of their
inadequacy.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

--
http://fast.filespace.org/PaulRMays/Postulate.pdf

--
Paul R. Mays
"I Believe in Nothing, I Know, I think I Know or I Do Not Know
I Never Believe... For to Believe is a Religious Incantation"


"Uncle Al" wrote in message
...
George Hammond wrote:
[snip crap]

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
Dunning-Kruger effect (2000 Ig Nobel Prize): ignorance more
frequently begets confidence than does knowledge

1) Incompetent individuals tend to overestimate their own level of
skill.
2) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize genuine skill in
others.
3) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize the extremity of their
inadequacy.


Well Unky Al.. So you think that may apply to you?




--
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http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:49:40 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:




[Hammond]
Look you Physics dufus the dozen Egyptian gods are
EXACTLY REAL in the same way Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and
Porky Pig are real; they are Personality types that show up
as accurately measured EXPERIMENTAL EIGENVECTORS in
Psychometry and further turn out to be CUBICALLY CORRELATED.
Look .. "Charm, Color, and Strangeness" are REAL because
they show up as EIGENVECTORS in Quantum Field Theory, and
are experimentally verified. SAME THING IS TRUE OF THE 13
GODS OF THE Egypto-Greco-Roman Pantheon.




[Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant]
Or 12 assuming that the Greeks did not know the difference
between 12 and 13 as you have claimed earlier.



[Hammond]
Look, I already told you 3 times, the only EXACT
scientific fact is that there are EXACTLY 13-2nd ORDER
EIGENVECTORS, extracted by mainframe computers.
The ancients didn't know what an eigenvector is, or that
the 13-2nd orders are CUBICALLY intercorrelated. Hammond
discovered that (1994) They just took an educated guess and
called it an even DOZEN (the Greek Dodekatheon so called).
They were right to within 7.7%, pretty good for ancient
science.
So you'll have to find some other trivia to rag on, I've
beaten your "12 vs. 13" objection to death.


[Hammond]
How many different ways do I have to say it.... you believe
particle physics don't you..... guess what..... Religion has
been proven in the SAME WAY ( By Hammond (2003))


[Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant]
The only differences being that competent experimenters have
confirmed predictions by competent theorists. This is the
way science is done. Wild speculation backed only by a
mishmash of unrelated babble does not constitute either
a theory or a proof of anything.


[Hammond]
12 is within 92% of 13. This is well within the expected
experimental accuracy of historical data. Furthermore, the
SPOG predicts EXACTLY 4-3rd order factors, which is 100%
ACCURATE, since these are exactly the 4-Gospel Saints
("4-demigods") Matt, Mark, Luke and John.
It's becoming painfully apparent that you're an
incompetent phony who hasn't even read the paper, doesn't
know what it's about, and is simply an aggravated
anti-religious psycho.


SNIP PHONY INCOMPETENT BULL****


[Hammond]
The exact calculation of the number of "gods" is in
section VI:

VI Elementary science evidence that
the 4th order factor is "God".



[Hammond]
If you're too lazy to read this ELEMENTARY section of the
peer published paper I'm not going to argue with you about
"12 or 13 gods". There is no point in arguing with someone
who doesn't even know what he's arguing about, just because
he wants to argue.



[Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant]
This is the most humorous part of your "proof".


[Hammond]
Your constant reference to laughter is making you sound
suspiciously like a lowbrow giggling idiot, which I suspect
is the case.


[Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant]
You want to
somehow, with no justification, identify perception of reality
as a god. This is pretty bizarre as it comes out of nowhere
with no justification and is, in fact, completely opposite to
what happens in the real world. The more educated people
are, the less they cling to the myths of the religions.
Even if it were true, and it is not, you have shown no
connection with a god. This is just you hoping that no
one will notice that this assuming what you want to prove.




[Hammond]
You're so obviously incompetent its jpathetic. Look, the
basic plot, as in any scientific investigation, is to
itemize the characteristics of the phenomenon, and then see
if there is any known simple scientific mechanism which
would explain it.
In this case this means itimizing the CENTRAL CLAIMS of
Religion (take Biblical religion for instance) and seeing if
the discovered mechanism (curvature of subjective spacetime)
COMPELLINGLY AND QUANTITATIVELY EXPLAINS EACH
AND EVERY ITEM.
The SPOG scientifically and quantitatively explains the
following 16 (central and comprehensive) items which
characterize Religion:

1. Why there physically exists an "invisible world"
known as "Heaven" which is similar to Earth but
is a paradise.
(Because the Growth Deficit reduces mental
speed and thus reduces the Fourier cutoff
frequency of visual movement) This can be
easily measured directly by theMotion Picture
Fusion Frequency, which increases directly with
gross brain growth)
2. Why God is an "invisible man" who lives there
and is all powerful and rules the actual (visible)
world from there.
("God" is the perfect fully grown man, hence the
part of us that is latent, or ungrown, is called
the "invisible God", also the "Unconscious mind")
3. Why this God can effect miracles which transcend
the (known) laws of Physics.
(Because, a change in Repression causes a
dramatic change in Curvature of subjective
spacetime suddenly making more of reality
visible).
4. Why Jesus said "God is a spirit" Jn 4:24
(This is confirmed by the SPOG which shows that
"God" is the unconscious mind, which is a
"spirit")
5. Why historically Religion has evolved from
Polytheism to Monotheism.
(The SPOG proves that there are 4 orders of
eigenvectors, which is a "hierarchy of gods".
the entire history of Religion is accounted for
as a successive discovery of the orders from
1st=(demigods), 2nd=(Olympian gods), 3rd=
(4-Gospel Saints), 4th=(God of Monotheism)
6. Why Christianity says the world is transforming
itself into Heaven and will actually complete this
at a date known as "Kingdom Come"... or the
"end of the world".
(Because the Secular Trend curve in Human
Growth is a Sigmoidal Logistics curve (S-curve)
and the final plateau is 100% growth of
the individual, or "Kingdom Come")
7. Why there is such a thing as "Eternal Life".
(Because full growth means flat subjective
spacetime.. no time dilation.. aka eternal time)
8. Why it is believed that Jesus was the physical
"incarnation of God"
(Because, nominally Jesus was a "fully grown
specimen". Of course we know this wasn't
actually possible, but in fact he must have
been an impressive specimen to conduct
such a startling public ministry.)
9. Why the Cross for some reason is the central
symbol of (Western) Religion.
(Because the human body is an "axial quadrature"
and the brain actually "cubic" causing a cross
structure (Cartesian structure) of Personality)
10. Why for some reason our main canonical text is
written in 4 identical versions known as the
"4-Gospel Canon".
(Because the Structural Model is CUBIC,
represented as a square; 4 Gospel Canon
represents the 4 canonical personalities
of Man... cf. the Bicameral/2 Party system)
11. How God "created the world" only a matter of
"thousands" of years ago (Genesis) not "billions"
of years ago (Big Bang) as Science believes.
(Because subjective spacetime only came into
being when Man came into being 200,000 years
ago, causing the Biblical Creation).
12. Why God created man "in his own image".
(Because God is the invisible (fully grown)
version of Man).
13. Why there is a "Trinity of God" and what it is,
functionally or scientifically speaking.
(the Trinity is simply the cybernetic feedback
loop (input, output, feedback) describing the
operation of the Father (invisible man), Son
actual Man, and feedback (UNCS mind) that
transforms the latter into the former).
14. Why there are (approximately) 13 gods in the
Egypto-Greco-Roman pantheon.
(Because the 2nd orders are caused by the
13 symmetry axes of the cubic str. of the brain).
15. Why there are exactly 4-gospel Saints named
Matthew, mark, Luke, John.
(Because the Cubic str. of Personality can be
represented by a section through the Cube,
yielding the 4 canonical personalities of Man)
16. Why there are 30 odd "lesser demigods" in Hinduism.
(Because there are 30 1st-order eigenvectors
caused by myriad lower level brain structures;
not geometrically intercorrelated)


THIS OVERWHELMING, COMPREHENSIVE EXPLANATION OF THE
ENTIRE BODY OF CLASSICAL RELIGION, BY A SIMPLE RELATIVISTIC
CURVATURE MECHANISM, IS PRIMA FACIE THE WORLD'S FIRST AND
ONLY BONA FIDE "SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD".
Now you can sit there and giggle like a flat footed fat
ass academy boy all you want, but it certainly is NOT
convincing.
either show us some of your scintillating PhD forensic
scientist genius a la ronald Reagan, or go back to work
designing Widgets at Quintessential Trinkets where you
belong.

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