On Apr 24, 3:57*am, George Hammond wrote:

Sooner or later there is going to be a head on collision between
Science and Religion over this discovery, and at that time the
Philosophy Department is going to be called on to mediate the
problem.

Even PhD physicists have failed miserably to comprehend the
basic scientific issues

You're STILL a CRACKPOT

The universal characteristics of crackpots include:
Crackpots overestimate their own knowledge and ability, and
underestimate that of acknowledged experts.
Crackpots insist that their alleged discoveries are urgently
important.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:19:06 +0000, George Hammond wrote:

so I have to

no, you do not.

George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:13:57 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:46:41 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:


[Hammond]
I've got 2.5 degrees in Physics asshole.
[Doug]
You are outranked as I have 3.0. I finished graduate
school in physics.

[Hammond]
That doesn't mean you're not an ineffectual and helpless
moron when it comes to forensically investigating a
scientific proof of God, and don't ever forget it!
[Doug]
But none of that matters since none of what you are
posting has anything to do with physics.

[Hammond]
That statement is either a monumental faux pas, or you're
a pathological liar.
Fact is Hammond has discovered that the Linear Algebra of
Psychometry Factor Analysis is CAUSALLY IDENTICAL to the
structure of linearized Gravity in Relativity thus proving
that "God" is in fact a "relativistic curvature of
subjective spacetime". QED; God exists.
Therefore the scientific Proof of God (SPOG) is DE FACTO
an "applied physics theory", and you don't know what you're
talking about.
[Doug]
You are
attempting to pervert logic and religion and somehow
make silly assumptions like the Greeks not knowing the
difference between 12 and 13 (that one brought howls of
laughter from everyone) and rewriting the number of
gods (all of which are man made creations anyway). Trying
to prove that nonexistent gods are a result of your theory
is pretty bizarre, even you must admit.


[Hammond]
Listen you over privileged PhD asshole, this amateur
philosophy crap I'm engaging in with these high school
graduate amateurs is because that's all they are capable of
discussing.
This is pretty humorous. First you flaunt your education,
then, upon finding out you are outranked, you insult the
education. Again, you are trying to have it both ways.


They don't know what an eigenvector is, or a
2nd rank tensor. They don't even know polar from Cartesian
coordinates.... so I have to talk "philosophy" with them...
such as the "Anthropic Principle" which is a hermaphrodite
amalgam of Philosophy and Physics as you well know. But the
fact that a thousand amateurs or Liberal Arts PhD's want to
talk to me about "God" DOES NOT MEAN that the SPOG isn't a
"Physics Theory". It certainly is a Physics theory!
It is a physics theory in the same sense that Seto and
noeinstein and Henri Wilson and rbwinn and others have
what they call physics theories. You have strung together
a set of meaningless phrases and attempted to call it
science.

How many people have ever agreed with you?

By the way, where is the physics in it?

[Doug]
By the way, insults and swearing are not the way to win
arguments. Those who made it through school prefer logic,
reasoning and facts.


[Hammond]
I'm the one who prefers logic, reasoning and facts, not
you! There are worse transgressions of Science than
swearing; for instance the transgression YOU are guilty of
which is the high handed, overpriviliged presumptive disdain
you have for anyone claiming to have discovered a physics
proof of God.... or your blatant presumption that "Physics
cannot prove God"
You are the one swearing at those who disagree with you. I am
not swearing at you, only laughing. That is different.

There is no scientific proof of god since any of the thousands
of gods men have invented are only subject to belief, not
physics. They are not real. I would be more than happy to
see either scientific proof of any god or even a shred of
evidence for any god. I have spent a lot of time studying
the world's religion and have seen nothing of the sort.

Get with it kid, not only does Physics have to tackle
dirty jobs like building an Atomic Bomb (and you can bet
there was plenty of swearing while that was going on).....
Physics ALSO has to deal with the issue of finding out if
there really is a God,
There is none so you can relax now.

and if so what it is.... and that is
just what I've proved.... that "God" is a real physical
(relativistic perceptual) effect.
There has been no proof. There is unsubstantiated babble.
Nothing you have said has anything to do with proof. I have
read it over many times as I have shown it to people for a
laugh.

And that's history, Mr.
You don't know what you're talking about, and excuse me
if I'm not impressed with you're PhD in Physics... I've
talked to several PhD physicists, and frankly I'm not too
impressed.
So you wanted us to be impressed with your 2.5 degrees but
you are not impressed with 3.0 degrees. I am not surprised.

Professor Chris Isham for instance showed
nothing but amateur ignorance and presumption when I talked
to him about the SPOG.... or J. Baugh, one of Finklestein's
PhD's, who showed nothing but aggravated juvenile ignorance
when it came to the phenomena of Religion... someone who
should at least know enough to be polite and cautious for
heaven's sake!
They looked at your babble and saw it for what it was. You
can laugh at it or feel pity. There is nothing there to
believe since it has no relation to either science or a
proof.

So I'm not that impressed with you're PhD in physics,
not until I find out if you can stand on one foot with your
eyes closed and point to true North all at the same time.
Impressed no, jealous yes.
Has anyone ever agreed with your "theory"?

VITA FOR GEORGE HAMMOND

B.S. Physics 1964, Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Worcester MA, USA (Deans List)
M.S. Physics 1967, Northeastern University,
Boston MA, USA
Ph.D. Candidate and Teaching Fellow in Physics, 1967-68
Northeastern Univ. Boston MA
Note: Studied Relativity under Prof. Richard Arnowitt
at N.U. and who is presently Distinguished
Professor of Physics at TAMU

Peer reviewed publications:

Hammond G.E (1994) The Cartesian Theory, in
New Ideas In Psychology, Vol 12(2) 153-167
Pergamon Press. Online copy of peer/published
paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/cart.html

Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Proof of God
Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic
Press)
Online copy of peer/published paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proo...ammond5s1.html


[Hammond]
Ok, I've read your post, and have concluded with absolute
certainty that my first impression was correct: Either you
are a fraud and not actually a PhD as you claim, or are
actually a PhD in some phony applied physics field such as
"Atmospheric Physics" which any mentally challenged halfwit
could achieve, or, there actually are Universities who will
grant a "mercy degree" in physics to incompetent,
unoriginal, and worthless stooges such as you.

Thank you for more humor as you try to thrash your way to
some position that does not look too bad. Since you failed
out of graduate school does that mean that you are not even
up to the "mentally challenged halfwit" level of getting some
PhD? Or did not you not qualify for a "mercy degree"?

Again, you have no way to argue facts so you just attack the
people who point out your mistakes. You are trying to show
the existence of some of the imaginary gods that people have
created while ignoring the majority of them since they do
not fit you prejudices. You are also insulting the intelligence
of the Greeks and Romans by assuming they could not count.
Those are facts independent of any academic qualifications.

Your repeated references to "howling with laughter" are a
dead give away..... you're apparently so utterly stupid and
lowbrow, to say nothing of incompetent, that you're given to
embarrassing fits of inappropriate laughter... the hallmark
sign of congenital idiocy.

This is really funny. Read what you have written and you will
laugh yourself.


The SPOG is a classic by the book proof, of a
longstanding and unexplained physical phenomenon.
It is a string of babble that no high school student would
be allowed to get away with in a class. It is funny though.

You're worthless and no more intelligent or learned than
the average laboratory technician.
Get the **** off this thread, and stay off it!
Since this is a public forum, I will post when and where I please.
You are not required to either read my posts or to respond
when I point out your mistakes. Fix your mistakes and there
will be less to respond to.

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On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:11:56 +0000 (UTC),
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond writes:

there actually are Universities who will
grant a "mercy degree" in physics to incompetent,
unoriginal, and worthless stooges

Is that how you got your 2.5 degrees in "physics asshole"?

Your repeated references to "howling with laughter" are a
dead give away..... you're apparently so utterly stupid and
lowbrow, to say nothing of incompetent, that you're given to
embarrassing fits of inappropriate laughter... the hallmark
sign of congenital idiocy.

No, everyone who sees your writings here are laughing - and they're
laughing AT you. It's not just a few, it's everyone. Except for those
who just pity you.


[Hammond]
That's a property of the corpulent academy boy Usenet
environment which isheavily infected by psychotic avant
guard wannabees, like you. It is not a property of the
SPOG, or of legitimate mainstream society.
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George Hammond writes:

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:11:56 +0000 (UTC),
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

No, everyone who sees your writings here are laughing - and they're
laughing AT you. It's not just a few, it's everyone. Except for those
who just pity you.

That's a property of the corpulent academy boy Usenet
environment which isheavily infected by psychotic avant
guard wannabees, like you.

That's your problem, George. You are too blind to see, or (more
likely) simply refuse to see that your so-called "proof" is crap,
not the rest of the world for laughing at it.

"There is none so blind as he who will not see."

On 23 apr, 23:25, George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:55:03 -0700 (PDT),





" wrote:
On 23 apr, 21:19, George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:24:59 -0700 (PDT),

" wrote:

So the universe DID exist a biilion years ago because we can
experience electro magnetic waves coming from a billion lightyears
away right NOW!

Peter van Velzen
April 23, 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands

[Hammond]
� �WRONG.
The 13 billion year old electromagnetic waves didn't come
into "existence" until MAN came into existence 200,000 years
ago.

This is because here was no such thing as "EXISTENCE" before
MAN came into existence, BECAUSE "existence" is a property
of the human mind. �No humans, no existence.

The fact that we can see 13 billion year old electromagnetic
waves coming in from outer space merely means that:

� � � � The "exixtence" of of 13 billion year old
� � � � �e.m. waves came into "existence" 200,000
� � � � �years ago when Man came into existence
� � � � �because TIME ITSELF came into existence
� � � � �when Man came into existence.

SNIP CRAP

I am afraid the meaning of the word existence as you see it, only
exists in your mind, and not in that of other people.

[Hammond]
Â* Â*Wrong Pizzaman. Â*Religion is FOUNDED on exactly my
explanation of "existence". Â*In case you haven't noticed 85%
of the world's population are adherents to one of the 5
major faiths. Â*This means 85% of the world agrees with my
definition of "existence" in principle when it comes to the
scientific phenomenon of "God".

You are saying that religious people generally admit that the only
reason why something exists is because they believe it to exist?

I wish they did,
but they don't.


Apperantly you do,
which in my opinion makes you an atheist.



Peter van Velzen
April 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands

George Hammond wrote:
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:42:41 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

VITA FOR GEORGE HAMMOND

B.S. Physics 1964, Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Worcester MA, USA (Deans List)
M.S. Physics 1967, Northeastern University,
Boston MA, USA
Ph.D. Candidate and Teaching Fellow in Physics, 1967-68
Northeastern Univ. Boston MA
Note: Studied Relativity under Prof. Richard Arnowitt
at N.U. and who is presently Distinguished
Professor of Physics at TAMU

Peer reviewed publications:

Hammond G.E (1994) The Cartesian Theory, in
New Ideas In Psychology, Vol 12(2) 153-167
Pergamon Press. Online copy of peer/published
paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/cart.html

Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Proof of God
Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic
Press)
Online copy of peer/published paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proo...ammond5s1.html
[Hammond]
Ok, I've read your post, and have concluded with absolute
certainty that my first impression was correct: Either you
are a fraud and not actually a PhD as you claim, or are
actually a PhD in some phony applied physics field such as
"Atmospheric Physics" which any mentally challenged halfwit
could achieve, or, there actually are Universities who will
grant a "mercy degree" in physics to incompetent,
unoriginal, and worthless stooges such as you.

[Doug]
Thank you for more humor as you try to thrash your way to
some position that does not look too bad. Since you failed
out of graduate school does that mean that you are not even
up to the "mentally challenged halfwit" level of getting some
PhD? Or did not you not qualify for a "mercy degree"?


[Hammond]
You claim you're a Physics PhD. I'll believe it when you
post your CV. You're too argumentative to be credible....
no competent Physics PhD could possibly be as asinine and
trivial as you are... you're obviously a low brow
horselaughing stooge and a bozo.
And, of course YOU are the one showing how high brow and
civil people with degrees in physics are. I am sorry but
I cannot match your anger.

One of the things you are missing is that my opinion of my
career is not dependent on your approval. I am quite happy
with what I have done. Your lack of accomplishment is not
my problem.

You are not going to change so I will continue to laugh
at your new ideas (you are going to come up with some new
"theories I hope) and enjoy passing them around for
levity.

By the way, no one has replied who does not consider your
"theories" worthy of a laugh.


Dozen's of anonymous jackass high school dropouts show up
on Usenet claiming they're "PhD's", who are you kidding?
Oh... going to claim anonymity as an excuse for not
posting your CV?.... then answer a Physics test question for
us:

What is the relationship between the Dirac
Gamma matrices of QED and the Christoffel Symbols
Of General relativity?

A 25 word answer will be sufficent.
If you can't answer that question off the top of your
head, you're a f---in phoney.
And even if you find the answer by searching Google, I
still won't believe you until I see a CV.

You are getting desperate aren't you? You contradict yourself
within one sentence. You want an answer but have already said
you will not believe that answer. There is as much logic
in this as there is in your so called proof.

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On 24 Apr, 21:45, "
wrote:
On 23 apr, 23:25, George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:55:03 -0700 (PDT),
" wrote:
On 23 apr, 21:19, George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:24:59 -0700 (PDT),
" wrote:
So the universe DID exist a biilion years ago because we can
experience electro magnetic waves coming from a billion lightyears
away right NOW!
Peter van Velzen
April 23, 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
[Hammond]
� �WRONG.
The 13 billion year old electromagnetic waves didn't come
into "existence" until MAN came into existence 200,000 years
ago.
This is because here was no such thing as "EXISTENCE" before
MAN came into existence, BECAUSE "existence" is a property
of the human mind. �No humans, no existence.
The fact that we can see 13 billion year old electromagnetic
waves coming in from outer space merely means that:
� � � � The "exixtence" of of 13 billion year old
� � � � �e.m. waves came into "existence" 200,000
� � � � �years ago when Man came into existence
� � � � �because TIME ITSELF came into existence
� � � � �when Man came into existence.
SNIP CRAP
I am afraid the meaning of the word existence as you see it, only
exists in your mind, and not in that of other people.
[Hammond]
Â* Â*Wrong Pizzaman. Â*Religion is FOUNDED on exactly my
explanation of "existence". Â*In case you haven't noticed 85%
of the world's population are adherents to one of the 5
major faiths. Â*This means 85% of the world agrees with my
definition of "existence" in principle when it comes to the
scientific phenomenon of "God".
You are saying that religious people generally admit that the only
reason why something exists is because they believe it to exist?
I wish they did,
but they don't.
Apperantly Â*you do,
which in my opinion makes you an atheist.
Peter van Velzen
April 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands

All he is saying is that IF what he says is true, such and such a
thing follows. Apart from the credulous few, one would hope nobody got
anything but such an impression.

In the physical sphere, the past causes the future; in the human
sphere, the future causes the past.
--
'foolsrushin.'

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:36:47 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:



Dozen's of anonymous jackass high school dropouts show up
on Usenet claiming they're "PhD's", who are you kidding?
Oh... going to claim anonymity as an excuse for not
posting your CV?.... then answer a Physics test question for
us:

What is the relationship between the Dirac
Gamma matrices of QED and the Christoffel Symbols
Of General relativity?

A 25 word answer will be sufficent.
If you can't answer that question off the top of your
head, you're a f---in phoney.
And even if you find the answer by searching Google, I
still won't believe you until I see a CV.

You are getting desperate aren't you? You contradict yourself
within one sentence. You want an answer but have already said
you will not believe that answer. There is as much logic
in this as there is in your so called proof.



[Hammond]
Just as I thought, you're a psycho-phoney, probably a
junior lab techncian. Physics PhD my ass! Get outta here.
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On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:34:35 +0000 (UTC),
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond writes:

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:11:56 +0000 (UTC),
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

No, everyone who sees your writings here are laughing - and they're
laughing AT you. It's not just a few, it's everyone. Except for those
who just pity you.

That's a property of the corpulent academy boy Usenet
environment which is heavily infected by psychotic avant
guard wannabees, like you.

That's your problem, George. You are too blind to see, or (more
likely) simply refuse to see that your so-called "proof" is crap,
not the rest of the world for laughing at it.

[Hammond]
Screw heckler. Nobody's listening to you, they're listening
to me.
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