On Apr 20, 5:28*pm, George Hammond wrote:
* * * * * * * * * GOD = RAP
* * * (Relativistic Anthropic Principle)

* *The Anthropic Principle is well known to Science today.
Carter, Barrow, Tipler, Wheeler and even Hawking and Penrose
and Weinberg have written extensively on the subject.
* *What Science DOESN'T KNOW is that the Anthropic Principle
was actually discovered thousands of years ago by Religion.
The irony of this has not been lost on Religious experts.
* *Fact is, the "Anthropic Principle" simply says:
"observables exist because observers exist". *After all, it
doesn't take rocket science to figure out that if there was
no such thing as an observer, then there would be no such
thing as observables; since the testimony of observers is
the ONLY WAY we know that the observables exist.
* *As far as Physics is concerned of course, "Man" is THE
observer. *This proves that it is MAN who causes the
Universe to exist. *After all, if all people died at 9am
tomorrow, there would no longer be any observables, no
universe, no time, no space; no nothing. *NOTHING WOULD
"EXIST".

Nope, you are contardicting yourself. If GOD exists then GOD will be
the observer and everything will exists even if all men died.

Since the totality of human intelligence cannot surprass GOD's
intelligence according to religion, then GOD, since HE is also an
observer, created reality and not man.

* *Religion recognized this principle thousands of years
ago, St. Augustine in particular. *In fact Bishop George
Berkeley formally published the thesis 300 years ago, and as
recently as 1900 Mary Baker Eddy founded the highly
successful Christian Science Church on the principle.
* It is therefore a fascinating irony that Science has
finally stumbled on the PRACTICAL DISCOVERY of the Anthropic
Principle... they finally recognized such elementary facts
as WHY the Universe is 13 billion years old... i.e. that it
took that long for Man to emerge, and without Man there is
no "Universe"... therefore, the Anthropic Principle not only
explains the "age of the Universe"... but that realization
actually proves that the AP explains the existence of the
Universe in the first place!

* *OK... but the scientists have YET to realize this; that
the existence itself, of anything, depends on the Anthropic
Principle... and therefore, that the Anthropic Principle de
facto explains the so called "Biblical Creation"...
existence itself only came into being 200,000 years ago when
Man appeared; Homo Sapiens sapiens. *Note that the Bible
figures this was 6,000 years ago, but Anthropology was in a
primitive state when the Bible was written, so they're about
194,000 short of the correct date of Creation... but still a
good guess for nonscientific people in primitive times.

The term "anthropic" was a bad choice as Carter huimself admitted. The
principle applies to intelligent aobservers in general and not
restricted to human beings.


* OK.... here's the REAL ENTERTAINMENT aspect of all this.
Religious people are far smarter and more widely educated
than Scientists (believe it or not), and consequently they
view the Scientific "discovery" of the Anthropic Principle
with MUCH AMUSEMENT, since they have known about it for
thousands of years.
* The Religious people of course realize that "Man created
reality" and they further realize that Scientists think that
"Reality created Man". *

[snip]

Listen yo: if man created his own reality he did a bad job. Even a
monkey would have created a betetr reality for its race. This universe
is hostile to poeple, thanks we have Van Allen to protect us and ozone
layer at least for now.

Even yo would have creaated a better universe. Actually, some belive
that this universe was created by a young God as an experiment and at
that time he only had experience with the Poisson equation and
Gaussian distributions.

Mike

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:04:49 +0000 (UTC),
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond writes:



We're not interested in "small fry" gods made up by Joe
Blow or some local artist.

So why did you specify 'demigod'? Besides, all those gods were as much a
part of the Greek religion as Apollo.

[Hammond]
You're ignorant of the subject under discussion, lazy,
uninformed, and ignorant and tediously boring.
It's been explained to you 10 times that modern science
has discovred a HEIRARCHY of eigenvectors in Psychometry
which explainse the Pagan "gods", including:

1-4th order eigenvector = the supreme God (of all Religions)
4-3rd order eigenvectors = 4 Gospel "Saints" Mt,Mk,Lk,Jn
13-2nd order eigenvectors = Egypto-Greeko-Roman Dodekatheon
30-1st order eigenvectors = "demigods" of Hinduism

All lower order eigenvectors (3rd, 2nd, 1st order) are
referred to as "demigods", only the single 4th order
eigenvector is referred to as "God".


the REASON for this is that there are PRECISELY 13 SYMMETRY
AXES IN A CUBE.

Except three times in a row, you come up with 12 and not 13 gods.
Or do you redefine the word "twelve" to mean "thirteen",

[Hammond]
12 out of 13 is 92% accuracy, what do you expect from
Ancient civilization?


The ancient GREEKS were actually one god short. 7%
accuracy was good enough in their day.... modern science
requires greater accuracy, so 13 is the correct number of
demigods.

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:26:14 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:30:16 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

No they looked at the proof, had a good laugh and went back to
doing useful science, not the babble you are producing.


[Hammond]
Nobody's laughing except wimps like you who've gone cutsie
on me.

Everyone I show this to gets a
huge laugh out of it.

[Hammond]
Nobody's laughing except wimps like you who are forced to go
cutsie.

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:47:50 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:


SNIP, NO CONTENT

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:05:41 +0100, Adam Funk
wrote:

On 2008-04-23, John Smith wrote:


Have *you* been immortalized in song by Casey B and Interröbang
Cartel?

[Hammond]
dunno.... listen to it here on mp3:


http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
(Hammond folk song by Casey Benneto)

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:46:25 +0100, "Andy F."
wrote:


"George Hammond" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:09:01 +0100, "Andy F."
wrote:


[Andy F.]
There's a human opinion based on sensory perception that the universe has
been around for billions of years.

[Hammond]
There is overwhelming evidence based on scientific
deduction that *IF* a person existed a billion years ago,
then he would have indeed observed the Universe to exist. I
throughly agree with that and anybody who doesn't is
certifiably either crazy or incompetent.

[Andy F.]
This means the universe existed before
humans did.


[Hammond]
WRONG, DEAD WRONG ANDY.

1) The "existence", of anything, depends entirely on the
sensory perception of Man. There IS NO definition
of the word "existence" that is independent of the
action of a HUMAN observer.
Proof: If all men died tomorrow at 9am, there
would no longer be any way to ascertain at 9:01am
if ANYTHING whatsoever "existed". The word
"existence" has no meaning whatsoever
without the existence of human beings.

2) But what your statement above says, is that
circumstantial evidence indicates (indeed
conclusively) that *IF* a human observer existed
a billion years ago, then he "would have" observed
that the Universe "existed". And I thoroughly
agree with that statement.

An event has to happen BEFORE it can be observed.The light from an object
has to travel to your eyes before you can see it.
If the object is close by, this takes a few billionths of a second.When you
look at the sun, you're seeing what was there 8 minutes ago.And if you look
through a powerful telescope, you can observe events which hapened millions
of years ago.

[Hammond]
Idiocy, the Universe didn't "exist" until the human race
arrived to "make" it exist by seeing it. Makes no
difference that the light took 13 billion years to get here,
it didn't "exist" until the human race arrived to see it.


3) However, in point of fact, no such human observer
did exist a billion years ago, therefore, by paragraph
1 above, the Universe actually did *NOT* "exist"
a billion years ago.... even though it "would have"
if anybody was around to see it.

[Andy F.]
So it's not possible for humans to have created the universe.


[Hammond]
Wrong again.
The above proof demonstrates conclusively that Man
"caused" the Universe to come into "existence" since ONLY A
HUMAN can confirm that anything "exists".
In short, "existence" is a PROPERTY of the human mind. No
people, no existence, of anything!

But a human can't confirm that something exists until after it exists.Which
would make it logically impossible for anything to come into existence.

[Hammond]
Idiot..... nothing existed until Humans arrived to "make" it
exist by seeing it. You're an imbecile who will never rise
above moronic world games... I suggest you try crossword
puzzles. Moron.
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:43:13 -0700 (PDT), Errol
wrote:

On Apr 23, 1:46*pm, "Andy F." wrote:


An event has to happen BEFORE it can be observed.The light from an object
has to travel to your eyes before you can see it.
If the object is close by, this takes a few billionths of a second.When you
look at the sun, you're seeing what was there 8 minutes ago.And if you look
through a powerful telescope, you can observe events which hapened millions
of years ago.


Ouch! waiting in anticipation for GH to respond to that.

[Hammond]
Already responded to it..... he's too mentally chalenged to
even understand the point of the discussion.


The universe around us is created by human perception. I agree with
this in the sense that humans "conjure" the universe out of a chaotic
background of overlapping interference patterns and through the act of
observation, give form and solidity to this reality, but why do we
create a history that according to GH does not exist.


[Hammond]
It all comes down to the perational meaning of the world
"existence" as any fool can see. there IS NO operational
meaning to the world "existence" except via a human
observer. THEREFORE, not only did Man "create the universe"
by the mere fact of his appearance 200,000 years ago, he
ALSO "created time and space, and all of history" at the
same time.


This is a bit
like the preacher who, when confronted by evidence of dinosaur bones,
claims that god put them there, already pre-aged at several hundred
millions of years old.

[Hammond]
the preacher is correct when you analyze the operational
meaning of "existence".


[Hammond]
Start learning Errol,
this Philawsephy bull**** is only the FOOTHILLS of the
scientific proof of God that has been discovered.... this is
just "playing with pedants and amateurs".... because they
know no Relativity.... the REAL DISCOVERY which makes all
this Philawsepy crap academic, is the fact that Hammond has
discovered that human perception is CURVED, and this PROVES
that there is an "invisible world" (called heaven" and that
there is an "invisible man" called "God" who lives there.
You're probably not even qualified to discuss Linear
Algebra and Relativity.... you're only qualified to play in
the sandbox of Philawsephy with the rest of these clowns...
whom I only talk to for publicity purposes.
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On 23 apr, 08:34, George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:54:58 GMT, George Hammond

wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:09:01 +0100, "Andy F."
wrote:

[Andy F.]
There's a human opinion based on sensory perception that the universe has
been around for billions of years.

[Hammond]
* *There is overwhelming evidence based on scientific
deduction that *IF* a person existed a billion years ago,
then he would have indeed observed the Universe to exist. *I
throughly agree with that and anybody who doesn't is
certifiably either crazy or incompetent.

[Andy F.]
This means the universe existed before
humans did.

[Hammond]
WRONG, DEAD WRONG ANDY.

1) *The "existence", of anything, depends entirely on the
* * * sensory perception of Man. *There IS NO definition
* * * of the word "existence" that is independent of the
* * * action of a HUMAN observer.
* * * * *Proof: *If all men died tomorrow at 9am, there
* * * would no longer be any way to ascertain at 9:01am
* * * if ANYTHING whatsoever "existed". *The word
* * * "existence" has no meaning whatsoever
* * * without the existence of human beings.

2) * But what your statement above says, is that
* * * circumstantial evidence indicates (indeed
* * * conclusively) that *IF* a human observer existed
* * * a billion years ago, then he "would have" observed
* * * that the Universe "existed". *And I thoroughly
* * * agree with that statement.

3) * However, in point of fact, no *such human observer
* * * did exist a billion years ago, therefore, by paragraph
* * * 1 above, the Universe actually did *NOT* "exist"
* * * a billion years ago.... even though it "would have"
* * * if anybody was around to see it.

[Andy F.]
So it's not possible for humans to have created the universe.

[Hammond]
Wrong again.
* *The above proof demonstrates conclusively that Man
"caused" the Universe to come into "existence" since ONLY A
HUMAN can confirm that anything "exists".
* *In short, "existence" is a PROPERTY of the human mind. No
people, no existence, of anything!
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I understand your phlosophy but I expect about everybody to disagree
with you :-)

If (human) brains did not exist than indeed no spiritual things would
exist, and indeed existence is a spiritual thing. You cannnot observe
existence:-)

However material existence is independent of spiritual existence, and
what we mean if we talk about the existence of material things, is
dependend - not on the experiences of (human) brains at the time the
material did or did not exist, but on the experiences of (human)
brains NOW.

So the universe DID exist a biilion years ago because we can
experience electro magnetic waves coming from a billion lightyears
away right NOW!

On the other hand a caveman might have painted both the inside and the
outside of his cave 30.000 years ago, we only experience the paintings
on the inside NOW. Thus to us, the outside paintings NEVER existed :-)

You general problem being that you neglecting the temporal difference
between the experience that leads to the conclusion "existence" and
the time we attribute to that existence.
Things ALWAYS exist in the past, because the speed of experience is
always finit.

Tests seems to point out that what we call "Now" is about 0,3 seconds
ago when we say it. In order to come any closer we need to anticipate,
and start saying "NOW" about 0,3 seconds before we expect the event to
happen.

Your opening post existed on april 21, because I experience it's date
on Googl NOW

Peter van Velzen
April 23, 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands

George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:26:14 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:30:16 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

No they looked at the proof, had a good laugh and went back to
doing useful science, not the babble you are producing.


[Hammond]
Nobody's laughing except wimps like you who've gone cutsie
on me.
Everyone I show this to gets a
huge laugh out of it.

[Hammond]
Nobody's laughing except wimps like you who are forced to go
cutsie.

Given that everyone else has shown how silly your assumptions
and conclusions are the only thing left is to laugh. If you
do not like it, learn some physics and come back and make
intelligent comments. I was just assuming you were doing this
as a humor hobby and you are doing a good job of that.


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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:46:36 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
wrote:


"Mani Deli" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:51:51 GMT, George Hammond wrote:

Horse's ass; who do you think discovered God?


God is the stupid answer to any question.

Nobody 'discovered' God because there is no
God to discover. God is a human construct,
created by humans to enslave other humans.

[Hammond]
Psychotic sinners enslave people using armies and guns.
Societies first defense against them is the political power
of Religion, that's why the discovery of the world's first
scientific proof of God is important.
Real men have always known there is a God, and what it
is, now a scientific proof has been found which will empower
and unify religion and make it accessible to the average
man.
The age of the Jewish Bible is drawing to a close,
superseded by Modern Science which has discovered the
scientific explanation and proof of God. World religion,
including Judaism, Christianity and Islam as well as Hindi
and the Oriental religions are about to move into the
scientific age.
Universal scientifically based religion has arrived with
the discovery of the world's first bona fide scientific
proof of God.
We can only regret that Anne Frank didn't live to see
it.
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