On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:37:07 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:26:14 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

[Hammond]
Nobody's laughing except wimps like you who are forced to go
cutsie.

Given that everyone else has shown how silly your assumptions
and conclusions are the only thing left is to laugh.


[Hammond]
Nobody's laughing except wimps like you who went cutsie on
me

.
If you
do not like it, learn some physics


[Hammond]
I've got 2.5 degrees in Physics asshole.

VITA FOR GEORGE HAMMOND

B.S. Physics 1964, Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Worcester MA, USA (Deans List)
M.S. Physics 1967, Northeastern University,
Boston MA, USA
Ph.D. Candidate and Teaching Fellow in Physics, 1967-68
Northeastern Univ. Boston MA
Note: Studied Relativity under Prof. Richard Arnowitt
at N.U. and who is presently Distinguished
Professor of Physics at TAMU

Peer reviewed publications:

Hammond G.E (1994) The Cartesian Theory, in
New Ideas In Psychology, Vol 12(2) 153-167
Pergamon Press. Online copy of peer/published
paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/cart.html

Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Proof of God
Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic
Press)
Online copy of peer/published paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proo...ammond5s1.html

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:24:59 -0700 (PDT),
" wrote:



So the universe DID exist a biilion years ago because we can
experience electro magnetic waves coming from a billion lightyears
away right NOW!

Peter van Velzen
April 23, 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands


[Hammond]
WRONG.
The 13 billion year old electromagnetic waves didn't come
into "existence" until MAN came into existence 200,000 years
ago.

This is because here was no such thing as "EXISTENCE" before
MAN came into existence, BECAUSE "existence" is a property
of the human mind. No humans, no existence.

The fact that we can see 13 billion year old electromagnetic
waves coming in from outer space merely means that:

The "exixtence" of of 13 billion year old
e.m. waves came into "existence" 200,000
years ago when Man came into existence
because TIME ITSELF came into existence
when Man came into existence.

As St. Augustine put it 1700 years ago:

The Universe was created WITH TIME,
not IN TIME.
(St. Augustine, ca. 300 AD)

The theory of God is not kid stuff, it may be too
sophisticated for you.
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On Apr 23, 1:47*am, "John Smith" wrote:
"George Hammond" wrote in message

...





On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:54:58 GMT, George Hammond
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:09:01 +0100, "Andy F."
wrote:

[Andy F.]
There's a human opinion based on sensory perception that the universe has
been around for billions of years.

[Hammond]
* There is overwhelming evidence based on scientific
deduction that *IF* a person existed a billion years ago,
then he would have indeed observed the Universe to exist. *I
throughly agree with that and anybody who doesn't is
certifiably either crazy or incompetent.

Evidence is based on facts - not YOUR outrageously insane, psychotic crap!
You are the crazy one - as everyone else has pointed out!



[Andy F.]
This means the universe existed before
humans did.

[Hammond]
WRONG, DEAD WRONG ANDY.

1) *The "existence", of anything, depends entirely on the
* * *sensory perception of Man. *There IS NO definition
* * *of the word "existence" that is independent of the
* * *action of a HUMAN observer.

Obviously your psychotic blinders kept you from seing the dictionary
definition I provided, which contradicted your ****!

You make this claim as though it were fact - when it, like everything else
you post, is outrageously unscientific and unsupported garbage.

* * * * Proof: *If all men died tomorrow at 9am, there
* * *would no longer be any way to ascertain at 9:01am
* * *if ANYTHING whatsoever "existed". *The word
* * *"existence" has no meaning whatsoever
* * *without the existence of human beings.

That is not a proof, asshole; it's merely more of your insane ramblings.



2) * But what your statement above says, is that
* * *circumstantial evidence indicates (indeed
* * *conclusively) that *IF* a human observer existed
* * *a billion years ago, then he "would have" observed
* * *that the Universe "existed". *And I thoroughly
* * *agree with that statement.

Gee ... you agree with your own insane crap!
THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID, dip****!



3) * However, in point of fact, no *such human observer
* * *did exist a billion years ago, therefore, by paragraph
* * *1 above, the Universe actually did *NOT* "exist"
* * *a billion years ago.... even though it "would have"
* * *if anybody was around to see it.

Paragraph 1 was nothing more than your own mentally corrupt, and
unscientific, assertions.
You cannot use your own, previous, insane and unsupported assertions to come
to a conclusion that actually means anything .......... twit!

Were you a REAL scientist (or even sane), you would know that.

THERE IS VALID EVIDENCE that the universe existed before man came along.
That is a FACT!
It is also a fact that scientifically, you don't know your ass from a hole
in the ground!



[Andy F.]
So it's not possible for humans to have created the universe.

[Hammond]
Wrong again.
* The above proof demonstrates conclusively that Man
"caused" the Universe to come into "existence" since ONLY A
HUMAN can confirm that anything "exists".

Flushng crap, again.
There is no "proof" above ... only your deranged ramblings.

How about this, amoeba brain ..................
"Confirmation" of the existence of something IS NOT THE SAME as the actual
EXISTENCE of that object!
Or is that too tough for you to comprehend!?!?!?!

* In short, "existence" is a PROPERTY of the human mind. No
people, no existence, of anything!

In short ........... you're a turd pretending to be human!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And, in one word................. BINGO!!!

On Apr 23, 12:19*pm, George Hammond wrote:
another wadd of pseudo-science rantings from a certifiable CRACKPOT


The universal characteristics of crackpots include:

Crackpots overestimate their own knowledge and ability, and
underestimate that of acknowledged experts.

Crackpots insist that their alleged discoveries are urgently
important.

Crackpots rarely if ever acknowledge any error, no matter how
trivial.

Crackpots love to talk about their own beliefs, often in
inappropriate social situations, but they tend to be bad listeners,
and often appear to be uninterested in anyone else's experience or
opinions.

On Apr 23, 10:48*am, George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:47:50 GMT, "John Smith"

wrote:

SNIP, NO CONTENT

A universal characteristic of a crackpots include:
Crackpots love to talk about their own beliefs, but they tend to be
bad listeners,
and often appear to be uninterested in anyone else's experience or
opinions.

Another BINGO!!!

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:19:29 GMT, George Hammond
wrote:

[Hammond]
WRONG.
The 13 billion year old electromagnetic waves didn't come
into "existence" until MAN came into existence 200,000 years
ago.

How the **** did you get out of the **** tank?

Re-Plonk!

On 23 apr, 21:19, George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:24:59 -0700 (PDT),

" wrote:

So the universe DID exist a biilion years ago because we can
experience electro magnetic waves coming from a billion lightyears
away right NOW!

Peter van Velzen
April 23, 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands

[Hammond]
* *WRONG.
The 13 billion year old electromagnetic waves didn't come
into "existence" until MAN came into existence 200,000 years
ago.

This is because here was no such thing as "EXISTENCE" before
MAN came into existence, BECAUSE "existence" is a property
of the human mind. *No humans, no existence.

The fact that we can see 13 billion year old electromagnetic
waves coming in from outer space merely means that:

* * * * The "exixtence" of of 13 billion year old
* * * * *e.m. waves came into "existence" 200,000
* * * * *years ago when Man came into existence
* * * * *because TIME ITSELF came into existence
* * * * *when Man came into existence.

Although you did not do me right by impolitly saying "wrong", I will
not wrong you by saying not "right". I just want to point out some
interesting facts concerning the matter.

Until recently - say 1830 when Leyell published his principles of
geology - the universe was not 13 billion years old, but only 6000!
The age might yet change in the future, but most people will claim the
electromagnetic waves came into existence billions of years ago and
not with the invention of the radio-telescope in 1937.

I am afraid the meaning of the word existence as you see it, only
exists in your mind, and not in that of other people. When you die it
will probably cease to exist.
Though I will try and remember you.

In the meantime I will keep thinking that the "idea of existence" came
into the world because humans invented the idea. But that the facts
that they try to describe by using the word existence, are meant to be
independent off humans existing.

That is to say: When people like me say "it existed there and then" we
do not mean, people had thought about it already there and then, but
we mean to say, that future observations will not falsify the theory
that it was present there and then.

My opinion is you are mixing up the word and it's meaning.

But don't give up,

I have fun trying to distinguish what you are mixing up :-)

Peter van Velzen
April 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands

Sers George et all

George Hammond schrieb:

I've got 2.5 degrees in Physics asshole.

What the heck are "Physics asshole"? Isn't it physic assholes?

And what is half a degree? Didn't you pass the examination?

richie
--
Good, Fast, Cheap: Pick any two

"George Hammond" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:47:50 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:


SNIP, NO CONTENT


IOW - you cannot some up with more crap to support all your other, previous,
crap!

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:55:03 -0700 (PDT),
" wrote:

On 23 apr, 21:19, George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:24:59 -0700 (PDT),

" wrote:

So the universe DID exist a biilion years ago because we can
experience electro magnetic waves coming from a billion lightyears
away right NOW!

Peter van Velzen
April 23, 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands

[Hammond]
* *WRONG.
The 13 billion year old electromagnetic waves didn't come
into "existence" until MAN came into existence 200,000 years
ago.

This is because here was no such thing as "EXISTENCE" before
MAN came into existence, BECAUSE "existence" is a property
of the human mind. *No humans, no existence.

The fact that we can see 13 billion year old electromagnetic
waves coming in from outer space merely means that:

* * * * The "exixtence" of of 13 billion year old
* * * * *e.m. waves came into "existence" 200,000
* * * * *years ago when Man came into existence
* * * * *because TIME ITSELF came into existence
* * * * *when Man came into existence.

SNIP CRAP

I am afraid the meaning of the word existence as you see it, only
exists in your mind, and not in that of other people.

[Hammond]
Wrong Pizzaman. Religion is FOUNDED on exactly my
explanation of "existence". In case you haven't noticed 85%
of the world's population are adherents to one of the 5
major faiths. This means 85% of the world agrees with my
definition of "existence" in principle when it comes to the
scientific phenomenon of "God".

SNIP REST OF CRAP
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