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On Fri, 02 May 2008 05:55:25 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote: "George Hammond" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 01 May 2008 19:24:11 GMT, "John Smith" wrote: "George Hammond" wrote in message ... On Thu, 01 May 2008 06:44:37 GMT, "John Smith" wrote: [John Smith, antiSPOG critic] Were such scientific proof "discovered", I would be as interested in it as anyone else. [Hammond] The discovery is now a "political" issue. What your "interest" is, depends on your political situation. [John Smith, antiSPOG heckler] Once again, empty claims, based on psychotic delusions, mean nothing. Your crap is rejected because it has no relationshiop to either physics, science or reality - NOT because of politics! [Hammond] Unsupported assertion. [John Smith, antiSPOG critic] OK .. I forgot to add ..... your claim of "politics" is nothing more than an unsupported assertion. [Hammond] Knowing Christianity is based on Jewish history and after witnessing the Holocaust and the 3rd Reich you're going to tell me the discovery of a scientific proof of God is not "political", get real. .. [John Smith, antiSPOG critic] Science would no nothing more, were a REAL "proof of god" discovered, than add "god" to their base of facts and acceptable theories. [Hammond] Na, scientists are aggravated atheists, therefore they will use every trick in the book, such as egging on mentally disturbed Usenet hecklers like you, to suppress the discovery and continue their unrestrained immoral explaoitation of science and technology. Not only an unsupported assertion, but a blatant lie. A higher percentage of scientists are religious believers rather than atheists. [Hammond] We can be sure the Christians and Jews will be glad about it. Whether the Moslems will be happy about it is problematical since an American Christian has discovered the proof, not a Moslem. Atheistic Communists of course will be sorely stung by the development, however, as Gorbachev said, "Russia is a Christian country" and I certainly agree. Chinese Communism however is going to have to accept the idea that "God" is now a scientific reality to be tought in their public schools as a scientific subject..... suprisingly, the Chinese Communists may have less trouble with this than the American public school system where "seperation of Church and state" will indubitably attempt to trumph Science education. Whew ..... as someone else said ... be careful, George, [Hammond] I don't have to be careful, unlike you, I'm not a notorious heckler. [John Smith, antiSPOG critic] You're nothing more than a psycho troll! [Hammond] You're just a irate name caller. ===================================== SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god mirror site: http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3) http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 ===================================== |
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On Fri, 02 May 2008 06:11:18 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote: snip, no on topic content ===================================== SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god mirror site: http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3) http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 ===================================== |
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On Fri, 02 May 2008 06:00:44 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote: "George Hammond" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 01 May 2008 19:18:38 GMT, "John Smith" wrote: "George Hammond" wrote in message ... On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Roger Pearse [Hammond] In all fairness, what you have stated is prevailing wisdom as of 2008 ad. However, unbeknownst to either you or the Religious community, in fact Physics has discovered (and published) the world's first scientific proof of God (Hammond 2003). [John Smith, antiSPOG heckler] "Physics" has discovered nothing! One, lonely old, psychotic, moron has bellowed crap - whch he pretends is actually science. [Hammond] Sorry heckler, I've already published the discovery of the Structural Model and the Scientific proof of God in two peer reviewed copyright academic journals and they are sitting on the library shelves in Universites around the world. This secures my priorities in the discovery for the duration. That is to say nothing of 50,000 posts to usent about it, all archived by Google and half a dozen other data bases and witnessed by 50,000 Usenet responders plus another 500,000 people who have hit my website in the past 9 years. Sorry, you're not going to do anything to interfere with my priorities. Screw. [John Smith, antiSPOG critic] Show evidence that the articles have drawn the attention you claim. Merely bellowing (as you usually do, then treating your own bellowing as a fact - doesn't work! Hundreds of time that (number of hits) occur on porno sites every month. Show ANY evidence that ANY ONE of these hits result is someone supporting your S.P.O.Crap! Same psycho claims that have been blown to pieces every time you try to use them as reality. You're priorities have only one basis - your deranged egomania. [Hammond] Get real..... how many threads do you see on the Physics news groups that reach 400 posts like this one? And you don't believe my website has gotton 500,000 hits in 9 years.... why for chrissakes when someone posted a note about my website on FARK, 5,000 people hit the website in ONE HOUR! Wake up. ===================================== SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god mirror site: http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3) http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 ===================================== |
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"George Hammond" wrote in message ... On Thu, 01 May 2008 23:41:44 GMT, George Hammond wrote: On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:33:21 -0700 (PDT), Roger Pearse wrote: [Hammond] Actually I was being charitable, having forgot that on Usenet to give them an inch is to give them a mile. To be quite accurate, the history of the emergence of the 4-Gospel Canon is quite well known and not considered a mystery as you suggest, so that your statement: "....we don't actually *know* for certain how the 4 gospels came to be generally accepted during the late first/early second century..." is actually an erroneous gloss. Fact is, it is well known how the 4-Gospels came into being in 1-2 ad since Irenaeus has left a 2nd century account of the matter in his famous book _Against Heresies_, (c 180). Um, perhaps you would care to post whatever passage you think says this? As far as I know, it remains unknown. All the best, Roger Pearse [Hammond] There is little mystery to the history of the 4-Gospel Canon, even to people who merely consider themselves strictly "historians". Of course more eclectic individuals are aware that it is an encapsulation of Personality Structure in Man; the Political Left-right and the Upper vs. Lower class (e.g. the Bicameral/2Party system. But even the most unaware historians are familiar with the history of the NT, for instance it is well known there were a dozen writings in large circulation by the mid 1st century.... and that the "Muratorian Fragment" lists the 4 Gospels at the top of the list as early as 170. Irenaeus was considered an authority by the Church on the question of "how many Gospels should there be in the Bible" wrote the above cited (famous and widely known) passage in 180 ad. Origen of Alexandria wrote many texts and commentaries on the 4-gospel Canon in the early 3rd century. And finally, Tatian's famous DIATESSARON (c 150 - 160) is a historically famous Gospel harmony. In it, Tatian, combined Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John into a single narrative. The historic prominence of this work from 155ad. alone, is testimony that the 4-Gospel Canon was well known and widely accepted by mid second century ad. The following facts are well known: The earliest external reference to the Gospel of Mark is Papias, dated to AD 130. Ignatius, the Bishop of Antioch, makes indirect references to the Gospel of Matthew as early as AD 110. Polycarp, a famous early church leader quotes Luke-Acts in a letter dated to about A.D. 110. A papyrus fragment of the Gospel of John has been dated to between A.D. 110 and 160. The Muratorian Canon (c. A.D. 180-200) lists all four of the Gospels as authoritative for the early church. So, while Irenaeus' authoritative statement which was very well known by 200 essentially fixed the Canon as "4", it was of course the later "canonization" of the 4-gospel canon by Athanasius, the Bishop of Alexandria in 367 that "officially" sealed the creation period of the 4-gospel Canon. But, like I say,..... aware intellectuals have known the 4-gospel Canon was a "quadrate personality structure" ever since Hippocrates the Father of Medicine announced that Man had "4-Personalities" in 500 bc. (the 4-Humors) Today of course, Hammond has not only proven the 4-Humors of Hippocrates and the 4-Gospels of Christianity, but actually shown that they originate in the quadrature cleavage of the brain, which in turns originates in the quadrature (Euclidean) cleavage structure of space itself, hence the 4-Gospel Canon has now been determined to be an "AXIOMATIXC LAW OF PHYSICS" (Hammond, 1994, 2003) Incidentally, it is a pleasure to be in polite company for a change.... but surely you must realize that this discussion thread is taking place in a war zone. When you post about the history of the bible - it is one thing. When you post utter bull **** - like your last paragraph/pile - you get another, more appropriate, response. |
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"George Hammond" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 May 2008 05:55:25 GMT, "John Smith" wrote: "George Hammond" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 01 May 2008 19:24:11 GMT, "John Smith" wrote: "George Hammond" wrote in message m... On Thu, 01 May 2008 06:44:37 GMT, "John Smith" wrote: [John Smith, antiSPOG critic] Were such scientific proof "discovered", I would be as interested in it as anyone else. [Hammond] The discovery is now a "political" issue. What your "interest" is, depends on your political situation. [John Smith, antiSPOG heckler] Once again, empty claims, based on psychotic delusions, mean nothing. Your crap is rejected because it has no relationshiop to either physics, science or reality - NOT because of politics! [Hammond] Unsupported assertion. [John Smith, antiSPOG critic] OK .. I forgot to add ..... your claim of "politics" is nothing more than an unsupported assertion. [Hammond] Knowing Christianity is based on Jewish history and after witnessing the Holocaust and the 3rd Reich you're going to tell me the discovery of a scientific proof of God is not "political", get real. What? What the hell kind of babbling bull **** are you trying to sell now? Obviously THIS is your best example of not knowing ANYTHING about logic, reality, science or the scientific method. You're deranged beyond comprehension. BTW ..... **** for brains, I am a critic against "S.P.O.G." ...... or an "anti-S.P.O.G., critic". I am NOT a critic against anti-S.P.O.G. Were you educated, you would know the difference. |
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On 2 May, 00:41, George Hammond wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:33:21 -0700 (PDT),Roger Pearse wrote: On 1 May, 18:09, George Hammond wrote: On Thu, 1 May 2008 06:42:17 -0700 (PDT),Roger Pearse wrote: On 1 May, 08:51, George Hammond wrote: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:29:12 -0700 (PDT),Roger Pearse wrote: On 30 Apr, 22:49, George Hammond wrote: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:42:57 -0700 (PDT),Roger Pearse wrote: On 29 Apr, 08:19, none ""doug\"@(none)" wrote: George Hammond wrote: ("4-demigods") Matt, Mark, Luke and John. [Roger Pearse] These last four are the books chosen by the council ofNicea to be in the New Testament. * The Council of Nicaea did not determine the content of scripture.. *The 4 gospels are considered canonical by all the ante-Nicene fathers, right back as far as it goes. [Hammond] * *The 4-Gospel canon "emerged" from hitory thru wide circulation as a "popular convention"; true Ireanus, Bishop of Lyon put the final stamp of approval on it when he edited the NT: * "But it is not possible that the Gospels can be either * *more or fewer in number than they are. For since there * *are four zones of the world in which we live, and four * *principal winds, while the church has been scattered * *throughout the world, and since the "pillar and ground" * *of the church is the Gospel and the spirit of life, it is * *fitting that she should have four pillars, breathing * *incorruption on every side, and vivifying human afresh. * * * * * * * * (Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyon ca. 180ad) In fairness, we don't actually *know* for certain how the 4 gospels came to be generally accepted during the late first/early second century; we just find that they are, as soon as the subject comes up. Irenaeus takes it for granted, and we should remember he was taught by the apostle John's disciple Polycarp, so knew a whole lot more about the apostles than we do. [Hammond] * *In all fairness, what you have stated is prevailing wisdom as of 2008 ad. [Roger Pearse] I believe so. [Hammond] * *Actually I was being charitable, having forgot that on Usenet to give them an inch is to give them a mile. * *To be quite accurate, the history of the emergence of the 4-Gospel Canon is quite well known and not considered a mystery as you suggest, so that your statement: * * * * *"....we don't actually *know* for certain how * * * * * the 4 gospels came to be generally accepted * * * * * during the late first/early second century..." is actually an erroneous gloss. * Fact is, it is well known how the 4-Gospels came into being in 1-2 ad since Irenaeus has left a 2nd century account of the matter in his famous book *_Against Heresies_, (c 180). Um, perhaps you would care to post whatever passage you think says this? *As far as I know, it remains unknown. [Hammond] * *There is little mystery to the history of the 4-Gospel Canon, even to people who merely consider themselves strictly "historians". *... * *But even the most unaware historians are familiar with the history of the NT, for instance it is well known there were a dozen writings in large circulation by the mid 1st century.... Probably true; but how do we know this? ...and that the "Muratorian Fragment" *lists the 4 Gospels at the top of the list as early as 170. True. * *Irenaeus was considered an authority by the Church on the question of "how many Gospels should there be in the Bible" Evidence? ... wrote the above cited (famous and widely known) passage in 180 ad. Indeed. But what it doesn't say is how this came about. * *Origen of Alexandria wrote many texts and commentaries on the 4-gospel Canon in the early 3rd century. Certainly, but this is neither here nor there. * *And finally, Tatian's famous DIATESSARON (c 150 - 160) is a historically famous Gospel harmony. *In it, Tatian, combined Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John into a single narrative. *The historic prominence of this work from 155ad. alone, is testimony that the 4-Gospel Canon was well known and widely accepted by mid second century ad. Perhaps. * *The following facts are well known: The earliest external reference to the Gospel of Mark is Papias, dated to AD 130. Ignatius, the Bishop of Antioch, makes indirect references to the Gospel of Matthew as early as AD 110. Polycarp, a famous early church leader quotes Luke-Acts in a letter dated to about A.D. 110. A papyrus fragment of the Gospel of John has been dated to between A.D. 110 and 160. The Muratorian Canon (c. A.D. 180-200) lists all four of the Gospels as authoritative for the early church. * *So, while Irenaeus' authoritative statement which was very well known by 200 essentially fixed the Canon as "4", Well, all the statements above are true. But... there is still a wide area largely unknown, inside all of this. * * Incidentally, it is a pleasure to be in polite company for a change.... but surely you must realize that this discussion thread is taking place in a war zone. Likewise. Actually... I really was unaware of that fact. I'd just dropped in to the post that I found in google. Pardon me if I head for cover! All the best, Roger Pearse |
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On 1 May, 23:22, George Hammond wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:05 -0700 (PDT),Roger Pearse wrote: On 1 May, 20:18, "John Smith" wrote: "Physics" has discovered nothing! One, lonely old, psychotic, moron has bellowed crap - whch he pretends is actually science. Come; if he were really lonely, old and psychotic, surely the least we could do is give him good language? *If only out of kindness? All the best, Roger Pearse [Hammond] * *Look, Roger.... being polite to hecklers is for amateurs, I'm not an amateur. * *Hecklers are in general incorrigible psychotic personalities, a personality trait that typically lasts for decades if not a lifetime. *So, don't feed hecklers unless you are intent on merely practicing your typing or something. *They have NO intention of saying anything on topic or constructive, their SOLE intent is to destroy the reputation of their (political) opponant. Perhaps so. I tend to presume people are not heckling until it proves otherwise. (Then I slap them around, of course) * *And by the way, the same goes for atheists, so if you happen to be an atheist, please tell me up front before I waste time talking to you. * Politely, George Hammond No, I'm not an atheist, and I know too well the sort of atheist poster that you refer to. You can't drop a pebble in alt.atheism without meeting one. No, I was merely interested in the details of fact about Christian origins. All the best, Roger Pearse |
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On Fri, 2 May 2008 06:45:55 -0700 (PDT), Roger Pearse
wrote: [Hammond] * *And finally, Tatian's famous DIATESSARON (c 150 - 160) is a historically famous Gospel harmony. *In it, Tatian, combined Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John into a single narrative. *The historic prominence of this work from 155ad. alone, is testimony that the 4-Gospel Canon was well known and widely accepted by mid second century ad. [Roger Pearse] Perhaps. [Hammond] No perhaps about it! The DIATESSARON was the standard Gospel text of the Syria Christian Church for 200 years. It's dating to 155ad is indisputable. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatessaron where you will find: =========BLOCK QUOTE============== The Diatesseron is notable evidence for the authority already enjoyed by the four gospels by the mid-second century. Twenty years after Tatian's harmony, Irenaeus expressly proclaimed the authoritative character of the four gospels. The Diatesseron became the standard text of the gospels in the Syriac-speaking churches down to the fifth century, when it gave way to the four separate Gospels." ======END BLOCK QUOTE============== ===================================== SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god mirror site: http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3) http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 ===================================== |
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George Hammond wrote:
On Fri, 02 May 2008 00:55:34 -0400, monkfish monkfish@nowhere wrote: [Hammond] Sorry heckler, I've already published the discovery of the Structural Model and the Scientific proof of God in two peer reviewed copyright academic journals and they are sitting on the library shelves in Universites around the world. This secures my priorities in the discovery for the duration. That is to say nothing of 50,000 posts to usent about it, all archived by Google and half a dozen other data bases and witnessed by 50,000 Usenet responders plus another 500,000 people who have hit my website in the past 9 years. Sorry, you're not going to do anything to interfere with my priorities. Screw. [John Smith, compulsive antiSPOG heckler] You notice that no one cares about your "proof" and the only interest it gets is for people to laugh at. No one takes it seriously. Those who read it cannot take it seriously. It is the worst piece of an attempt to ignore science and get to a desired conclusion that any of us has seen. Your derivation makes congress look quiet and logical. [monkfish, pius humanitarian] Why are you talking to him? [Hammond] They can't STOP talking to me! They can sense that I am the only in the world who actually knows the scientific truth about God. The same thing happened to Jesus dontcha know? Last time it was a crufixion. This time it's the world's first and only scientific proof of God. Thank Christ I'm not Jewish or they'd probably be after me with two 2x4's and 3 nails! No, they do not care because they are smart enough to recognize nonsense. You don't seem to appreciate the worse than death mental suffering some people go thru.... especially intelligent people.... some of them scientists. Eventually THEY RECOGNIZE that it is imperitive for their survival to find out the factual scientific truth about "God". And they also know that the unlucky s.o.b. who accidentally discovers it (Hammond) is not going to be able to make ANYBODY "an offer they can't refuse". That's why he's talking to me. That's why their all talking to me. We talk to him out of pity. He is making a fool of himself saying totally nonsensical things. He is embarrassing himself and we all hope he will get better and learn some physics so he can see how silly what he has posted is. He refuses to even look at what he says and blusters only. Inside, he knows it is wrong but he just desperately wants to have done something important. It would be better if he learned to accept himself as ok even though he had never discovered anything. -- monkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. ===================================== SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god mirror site: http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3) http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 ===================================== |
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