On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:05:52 -0700, Uncle Al
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
[snip crap]

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
Dunning-Kruger effect (2000 Ig Nobel Prize): ignorance more
frequently begets confidence than does knowledge

[Hammond]
That's because what you don't know won't hurt you.

1) Incompetent individuals tend to overestimate their own level of
skill.

[Hammond]
Because incompetent indiviuals tend to have more money.

2) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize genuine skill in
others.

[Hammond]
Because people with genuine skill tend to have little
money.

3) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize the extremity of their
inadequacy.

[Hammond]
That's why Emperors do not need to wear clothes.

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"George Hammond" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:05:51 GMT, "John Smith"
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"George Hammond" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:36:18 GMT, George Hammond
wrote:



You are badly informed again!

[Hammond]
I doubt it and you certainly haven't proved it.


[Doug unverified Phd physics claimant]
That's George.
Bellow totally ignorant, unscientiic and unsupported statements - then,
arrogantly and ignorantly, i9nsult others because they cannot prove that
his
invented crap is really crap.


[Hammond]
Until you've read Section VI of my paper and actually
know what you're talking about I'm not going to waste my
time responding to some phony Usenet PdD claimant:

I read the first page of your crap - and found the stench of your ignorance
made it impossible to continue.

George Hammond writes:

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:49:40 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

[Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant]
Or 12 assuming that the Greeks did not know the difference
between 12 and 13 as you have claimed earlier.

Look, I already told you 3 times, the only EXACT
scientific fact is that there are EXACTLY 13-2nd ORDER
EIGENVECTORS, extracted by mainframe computers.

OK, EXACTLY 13 2nd order eigenvectors (however you redefine 'eigenvector').
Not 14, not 12, but EXACTLY 13. Got it.

The ancients didn't know what an eigenvector is, or that
the 13-2nd orders are CUBICALLY intercorrelated. Hammond
discovered that (1994) They just took an educated guess and
called it an even DOZEN (the Greek Dodekatheon so called).
They were right to within 7.7%, pretty good for ancient
science.

Oh, that's rich. 7.7% "pretty good for ancient science". Let's imagine,
just for a moment, that the ancient Greeks built the Parthenon with some
of the Doric columns 12 meters tall and others 13 meters tall. The 12m
and 13m columns all mixed up. That would be "pretty good for ancient
science", right? Only 7.7% off, right? Wrong - if they ever did that,
the Parthenon would look pathetic. Instead of the ancient Greeks being
revered by western society, they'd be the laughing stock of the ancient
world! I'm laughing just thinking about it!

So you'll have to find some other trivia to rag on, I've
beaten your "12 vs. 13" objection to death.

You're the one who makes it a big deal about your claim that there are
"EXACTLY 13 2nd order Eigenvectors". Well guess what. 12 is NOT "exactly
13".

12 is within 92% of 13. This is well within the expected
experimental accuracy of historical data.

Once again, imagine the Parthenon with some of the columns 92% the height
of the others! A three year old could do better!

BTW, 12 and 13 are not within 3 significant figures of each other. (do
you even know what that means?) Try 1 sig fig.

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:29:58 +0000 (UTC),
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

George Hammond writes:

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:49:40 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:

[Doug, unverified Physics Phd claimant]
Or 12 assuming that the Greeks did not know the difference
between 12 and 13 as you have claimed earlier.

[Hammond]
Look, I already told you 3 times, the only EXACT
scientific fact is that there are EXACTLY 13-2nd ORDER
EIGENVECTORS, extracted by mainframe computers.

[Michael Moroney]
OK, EXACTLY 13 2nd order eigenvectors (however you redefine 'eigenvector').
Not 14, not 12, but EXACTLY 13. Got it.


[Hammond]
Whaddau mean "redefine eigenvector"? An eigenvector is a
principle axis of a matrix ellipsoid, whether it's in
quantum mechanics, Psychometry Factor Analysis or the moment
of Inertia in Mechanics, makes no difference. An
eigenvector is an eigenvector.
The Pagan "gods" are 2nd order psychometry eigenvectors
caused by the cubic anatomical symmetry cleavage of the
brain. They form a CUBE.


[Hammond]
The ancients didn't know what an eigenvector is, or that
the 13-2nd orders are CUBICALLY intercorrelated. Hammond
discovered that (1994) They just took an educated guess and
called it an even DOZEN (the Greek Dodekatheon so called).
They were right to within 7.7%, pretty good for ancient
science.


[Michael Moroney]
Oh, that's rich.

[Hammond]
Rich; I don't know what food stamps are, never mind
money.


[Michael Moroney]
7.7% "pretty good for ancient science". Let's imagine,
just for a moment, that the ancient Greeks built the Parthenon with some
of the Doric columns 12 meters tall and others 13 meters tall. The 12m
and 13m columns all mixed up. That would be "pretty good for ancient
science", right? Only 7.7% off, right? Wrong - if they ever did that,
the Parthenon would look pathetic. Instead of the ancient Greeks being
revered by western society, they'd be the laughing stock of the ancient
world! I'm laughing just thinking about it!


[Hammond]
Cut the **** Moroney, measureing something with a ruler
like the Parthenon is kid stuff.
Fact is Eratosthenes estimated the Earth's circumference
around 240 BCE. The Sun was directly overhead in Syene at
the summer solstice but in Alexandria it still cast a
shadow. Using the distance and angles he estimated the
Earth's circumference. Eratosthenes' figure has an error of
around five to ten percent.
So "7.7%" was par for the course in advanced scientific
measurement in ancient Greece.
The fact that they could estimate "God" to 7.7% is a
phenomenal scientific achievement by comparison!



[Hammond]
So you'll have to find some other trivia to rag on, I've
beaten your "12 vs. 13" objection to death.


[Michael Moroney]
You're the one who makes it a big deal about your claim that there are
"EXACTLY 13 2nd order Eigenvectors". Well guess what. 12 is NOT "exactly
13".


[Hammond]
Like I said, the Greeks were 7.7% off, same as their
measuremet of the Earth's circumference.


BTW, 12 and 13 are not within 3 significant figures of each other. (do
you even know what that means?) Try 1 sig fig.


[Hammond]
I've got 2 degrees in Physics from accredited
universities in Massachusetts, that certifies that I KNOW
what it means.
Modern Science has proved that there are 13-2nd order
eigenvectors EXACTLY (because they form a Cube)...... it was
the ANCIENT GREEKS who were off by 7.7%.... because they
simply took an educated guess of a dozen. THERE ACTUALLY
are 13 so called "Olympian gods".
Incidentally, Hippocrates was EXACTLY RIGHT about the
4-Humors, because again, modern science has proven that
there are EXACTLY 4-3rd ORDER EIGENVECTORS. Today they are
known as "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John" in Religion.
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On Apr 27, 8:00 pm, "John Smith" wrote:
"George Hammond" wrote in message

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:05:51 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:

"George Hammond" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:36:18 GMT, George Hammond
wrote:

You are badly informed again!

[Hammond]
I doubt it and you certainly haven't proved it.

[Doug unverified Phd physics claimant]
That's George.
Bellow totally ignorant, unscientiic and unsupported statements - then,
arrogantly and ignorantly, i9nsult others because they cannot prove that
his
invented crap is really crap.

[Hammond]
Until you've read Section VI of my paper and actually
know what you're talking about I'm not going to waste my
time responding to some phony Usenet PdD claimant:

I read the first page of your crap - and found the stench of your ignorance
made it impossible to continue.

Amazing how usenet consists almost entirely of contentiousness and
character assassination rather than problem solving.

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:41:02 -0700 (PDT), Don Stockbauer
wrote:

On Apr 27, 8:00 pm, "John Smith" wrote:
"George Hammond" wrote in message

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:05:51 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:

"George Hammond" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:36:18 GMT, George Hammond
wrote:

You are badly informed again!

[Hammond]
I doubt it and you certainly haven't proved it.

[Doug unverified Phd physics claimant]
That's George.
Bellow totally ignorant, unscientiic and unsupported statements - then,
arrogantly and ignorantly, i9nsult others because they cannot prove that
his
invented crap is really crap.

[Hammond]
Until you've read Section VI of my paper and actually
know what you're talking about I'm not going to waste my
time responding to some phony Usenet PdD claimant:

[unidentified poster, probably atheist Smith]]
I read the first page of your crap - and found the stench of your ignorance
made it impossible to continue.


[don Stockbauer]
Amazing how usenet consists almost entirely of contentiousness and
character assassination rather than problem solving.



[Hammond]
I'll tell you what's going to happen Don, to the SPOG on
Usenet..... my prediction.... some physics atheist is
going to notice that Hammond's SPOG is legitimate by the
book science, and believe it or not the persuasion of
Physics is going to be more powerful than Atheistic
contempt, and the guy is going to post a message
stating right out front, that Hammond's SPOG is
correct! That the world's first scientific proof of God HAS
been discovered.
It'll happen...... I'll bet, some atheist with balls of
solid brass is going to do that eventually, for the love of
Science mind you, not the love of God! That and disgust
over Religious war, rising gas prices, rising food prices,
global antiAmericanism, creeping recession, the falling
dollar and a dozen other things. I'll bet that's what's
will happen! I wonder what Richard Dawkins is doing?
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:07:44 +0100, "marc"
wrote:

"George Hammond" wrote in message
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CLEARLY anyone with half a brain in his head..

And even more clearly, anyone with more than half a brain in his head
immediately recognises Hammond's irrational spewing as emanating from a
severely deranged mind. Hammond must be a rare example of a literal
half-wit.

Marc


Gee whiz, is Marc really Cram spelled backwards?

No, it is definitive scientific proof that my name scientifically proves
that my name scientifically reflects the scientific relativistic curvature
of the alphabet to 4 significant letters which is scientifically causally
identical to scientifically calculated cubic eigenvectors of scientific
numerical quantification thereby scientifically proving that God has 4
letters to 3 or 4 significant letters thereby scientifically proving that
humans came into being once they acquired the ability to count to 4, or 3,
thereby scientifically proving the existence of an invisible world that can
only be scientifically detected by scientifically arranging the letters in a
square as the Greeks did to 3 or 4 significant letters thereby
scientifically proving that the invisible world exists due the subjective
curvature of the end of Jesus' beard thereby scientifically proving the
existence of 12 or 13 (scientifically rounded to the most convenient value)
follicle gods as scientifically proven by the scientifically psychometric
FACT that the gospel of Matthew has 4 letters as do all the gods of Olympus
(scientifically rounded to the most convenient number) which therefore
scientifically proves that the growth deficit of the relativistic curvature
of the alphabet can only be perceived by those who can see the invisible
world which has been scientifically proved by analysis of the Motion
Sickness of the 12th or 13th Eigenvector of the cubic structure of
personality which has been scientifically empirically verified to 100%
accuracy within the scientific parameters of the scientifically proved
psychometric definition of 'one dozen'. Surely even you can see that 3 (God)
x 4 (Cram) = 13 as scientifically rounded to 12 as allowed by the scientific
cubic eigenvector analysis of the Egypto-Greco-Roman Pantheon.

I have therefore scientifically proved the scientifically overwhelming
scientific proof of my scientific proof and if you cannot see this then you
are not worthy to discuss it with me.

Marc == Cram

On 27 apr, 21:32, George Hammond wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:39:20 -0700 (PDT),





" wrote:
On 27 apr, 14:36, George Hammond wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:14:12 -0700 (PDT),

" wrote:

You are badly informed again!

[Hammond]
* *I doubt it and you certainly haven't proved it.

[Peter van Velzen]
About 50% of the world population believes in the monotheistic god.
The can be roughly separated in three groups: Roman Catholics, other
Christians and Muslims.

[Hammond]
* *Despite your opinion, the average person is not a pedant.
The average person believes that "God" is an "an invisible
man who lives in the sky and rules the world"; *what the
Native American Indians called "The Great Sky Chief". *And
FYI, the SPOG proves that this ancient and universal belief
is in fact, scientifically TRUE. *Common belief also holds
that God has many "Angels", or call the "gods", or call them
"demigods" or whatever you want. *Since we're arguing
irrelevant OPINION here let me mention that I'm 66 and
you're 30.... which means I know twice as much as you know
about what the average person believes. Furthermore, I'm not
interested in yakking about matters of opinion with
aggravated amateurs with no academic credentials.

[Peter van Velzen]
The other half can be roughly separated in three groups too.
Those who believe in multiple gods (mostly Hindus)

[Hammond]
* *The Hindu's have a supreme deity which is a triune God
called the "Trimurti" (Sanskrit-"the trimorphic God")
consisting of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. *This parallels the
Christian Trinity. *All the other "gods" are actually what
Christian call "Angels" (or demigods).
* *All of this is explained and PROVEN by the SPOG which
shows that this hierarchy appears as an EIGENVECTOR
HEIRARCHY in Psychometry, which is accurate to 3 significant
figures experimentally. *Unfortunately you lack the
educational qualifications to discuss Factor Analysis
(Linear Algebra).
* *I will warn you that I only engage in extended
conversation with amateurs if they have a positive attitude,
otherwise they have nothing to offer.
* *I will engage in extended discussion with negative
aggravated educated professionals however.

[Peter van Velzen]
Those who do not believe in gods (mostly atheists)

[Hammond]
* *Generally atheists are of little interest, unless they
become a political force, which seems unlikely. *On the
other hand some of them are highly educated such as Bertrand
Russell, whose analysis of the Omphalos theory is of
fundamental significance to the SPOG.

[Peter van Velzen]
Those who rather ignore the question (mostly Buddhists)

[Hammond]
* Buddhism is a small compared to the other 4 major faiths.
However, I think Buddhists have a fundamental belief in a
supreme deity.

[Peter van Velzen]
O yes, of course most people within these groups tends to think the
members of the other groups - and many amongst there own group - Are
very very wrong.
I guess they are right about most of them :-)

Duh? *I can't make much sense of this statement.

[Peter van Velzen]
Before you go out and post on the internet,
you should first do your homework

[Hammond]
You don't know who you're talking to.
* *I've been studying Religion and Psychology for 25 years
and Physics for 40. I have 2 degrees in Physics. *You on the
other hand probably don't even have a college degree.

[Peter van Velzen]
That would spare us a lot of words
especially the words "crackpot" and "asshole"
which in my opinion are not very fruitful.

[Hammond]
* I'm not worried about Fruits.

Peter van Velzen
April 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands

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[Peter van Velzen]
My opinion doesn't matter

[Hammond]
You got that one right!

[Peter van Velzen]
fact is that only half of the world's population believes in your type
of God. Not the 90% that you claimed.

[Hammond]
* *Baloney, your statement defies common knowlege.
Christianity, Islam and Judaism alone account for 60% of the
world population (the most powerful half of the world). *The
God of Hinduism (another 15%) is also near identical.
Your speculations about what the rest of humanity believes
is neither here nor there.

[Peter van Velzen]
These facts are available to anyone who wants too know.

[Hammond]
No **** Sherlock, we know all about it.

[Peter van Velzen]
I'd suggest you get them.

[Hammond]
Been there done that; before you were born.

[Peter van Velzen]
And *I hope to see your next post.
AFTER you do!

[Hammond]
Whatever that gibberish 's supposed to mean?

Peter van Velzen
April 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands.

[Hammond]
* *You're all through punk... you're dime a dozen on Usenet.
Now that you've discovered this is not an amateur discovery
and you sound like a fool; go back to your beer and computer
games.
* Or join your asshole buddies Ken and John and start
posting froth at the mouth heckling, Dork.
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So all of a sudden all the idolatrists are worshipping the Christian
Creator God?
Besides the fact that even your overestimated numbers do not add up to
the 90% you claimed, I wonder why you want to look so silly?

Must be because you made your calculations 60 years ago or before, and
are now suffering from Alzheimer

You can actually Google up my birthday if you want to,
but I suspect you are not into the age of information.

Peter van Velzen
April 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:01:19 -0700, none ""doug\"@(none)"
wrote:


[Doug, anonymouss unverified Physics PhD claimer]

you have shown no
connection with a god. This is just you hoping that no
one will notice that this assuming what you want to prove.


[Hammond]
Your answer to that FALSE STATEMENT is posted below, and
you haven't answered it:


[Hammond]
You're so obviously incompetent its pathetic. Look, the
basic plot, as in any scientific investigation, is to
itemize the characteristics of the phenomenon, and then see
if there is any known simple scientific mechanism which
would explain it.
In this case this means itimizing the CENTRAL CLAIMS of
Religion (take Biblical religion for instance) and seeing if
the discovered mechanism (curvature of subjective spacetime)
COMPELLINGLY AND QUANTITATIVELY EXPLAINS EACH
AND EVERY ITEM.
The SPOG scientifically and quantitatively explains the
following 16 (central and comprehensive) items which
characterize Religion:

1. Why there physically exists an "invisible world"
known as "Heaven" which is similar to Earth but
is a paradise.
(Because the Growth Deficit reduces mental
speed and thus reduces the Fourier cutoff
frequency of visual movement) This can be
easily measured directly by theMotion Picture
Fusion Frequency, which increases directly with
gross brain growth)
2. Why God is an "invisible man" who lives there
and is all powerful and rules the actual (visible)
world from there.
("God" is the perfect fully grown man, hence the
part of us that is latent, or ungrown, is called
the "invisible God", also the "Unconscious mind")
3. Why this God can effect miracles which transcend
the (known) laws of Physics.
(Because, a change in Repression causes a
dramatic change in Curvature of subjective
spacetime suddenly making more of reality
visible).
4. Why Jesus said "God is a spirit" Jn 4:24
(This is confirmed by the SPOG which shows that
"God" is the unconscious mind, which is a
"spirit")
5. Why historically Religion has evolved from
Polytheism to Monotheism.
(The SPOG proves that there are 4 orders of
eigenvectors, which is a "hierarchy of gods".
the entire history of Religion is accounted for
as a successive discovery of the orders from
1st=(demigods), 2nd=(Olympian gods), 3rd=
(4-Gospel Saints), 4th=(God of Monotheism)
6. Why Christianity says the world is transforming
itself into Heaven and will actually complete this
at a date known as "Kingdom Come"... or the
"end of the world".
(Because the Secular Trend curve in Human
Growth is a Sigmoidal Logistics curve (S-curve)
and the final plateau is 100% growth of
the individual, or "Kingdom Come")
7. Why there is such a thing as "Eternal Life".
(Because full growth means flat subjective
spacetime.. no time dilation.. aka eternal time)
8. Why it is believed that Jesus was the physical
"incarnation of God"
(Because, nominally Jesus was a "fully grown
specimen". Of course we know this wasn't
actually possible, but in fact he must have
been an impressive specimen to conduct
such a startling public ministry.)
9. Why the Cross for some reason is the central
symbol of (Western) Religion.
(Because the human body is an "axial quadrature"
and the brain actually "cubic" causing a cross
structure (Cartesian structure) of Personality)
10. Why for some reason our main canonical text is
written in 4 identical versions known as the
"4-Gospel Canon".
(Because the Structural Model is CUBIC,
represented as a square; 4 Gospel Canon
represents the 4 canonical personalities
of Man... cf. the Bicameral/2 Party system)
11. How God "created the world" only a matter of
"thousands" of years ago (Genesis) not "billions"
of years ago (Big Bang) as Science believes.
(Because subjective spacetime only came into
being when Man came into being 200,000 years
ago, causing the Biblical Creation).
12. Why God created man "in his own image".
(Because God is the invisible (fully grown)
version of Man).
13. Why there is a "Trinity of God" and what it is,
functionally or scientifically speaking.
(the Trinity is simply the cybernetic feedback
loop (input, output, feedback) describing the
operation of the Father (invisible man), Son
actual Man, and feedback (UNCS mind) that
transforms the latter into the former).
14. Why there are (approximately) 13 gods in the
Egypto-Greco-Roman pantheon.
(Because the 2nd orders are caused by the
13 symmetry axes of the cubic str. of the brain).
15. Why there are exactly 4-gospel Saints named
Matthew, mark, Luke, John.
(Because the Cubic str. of Personality can be
represented by a section through the Cube,
yielding the 4 canonical personalities of Man)
16. Why there are 30 odd "lesser demigods" in Hinduism.
(Because there are 30 1st-order eigenvectors
caused by myriad lower level brain structures;
not geometrically intercorrelated)


THIS OVERWHELMING, COMPREHENSIVE EXPLANATION OF THE
ENTIRE BODY OF CLASSICAL RELIGION, BY A SIMPLE RELATIVISTIC
CURVATURE MECHANISM, IS PRIMA FACIE THE WORLD'S FIRST AND
ONLY BONA FIDE "SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD".
Now you can sit there and giggle like a flat footed fat
ass academy boy all you want, but it certainly is NOT
convincing.
either show us some of your scintillating PhD forensic
scientist genius a la ronald Reagan, or go back to work
designing Widgets at Quintessential Trinkets where you
belong.

snip argumentative no content crap

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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:19:13 -0700 (PDT),
" wrote:


[Peter van Velzen, uneducated amateur]

So all of a sudden all the idolatrists are worshipping the Christian
Creator God?

[SNIP AMATEUR CRAP


[Hammond]
* *You're all through punk... you're dime a dozen on Usenet.
Now that you've discovered this is not an amateur discovery
and you sound like a fool; go back to your beer and computer
games.
*Yawn.
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