http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...7a506fee1bf10?
"Redshift - Does wavelength change?"

Silly Vesselin Petkov has discovered that the gravitational redshift
is due to the variation of the speed of light in a gravitational
field, in accordance with Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2), but
Criminal Tom Roberts fiercely confuses Silly Vesselin Petkov and does
not allow him to leave the zombie group in Einstein criminal cult and
become hypnotist.

Pentcho Valev

On Apr 19, 5:57*pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...7a506fee1bf10?
"Redshift - Does wavelength change?"

Silly Vesselin Petkov has discovered that the gravitational redshift
is due to the variation of the speed of light in a gravitational
field, in accordance with Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2), but
Criminal Tom Roberts fiercely confuses Silly Vesselin Petkov and does
not allow him to leave the zombie group in Einstein criminal cult and
become hypnotist.

8 years later. Silly Vesselin Petkov is not asking dangerous questions
anymore, Einstein zombie world does not give a **** about both
constancy and variability of the speed of light and Criminal Tom
Roberts can safely teach the idiocies devised in Einstein cult:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...cc9ce0b836800?
On Dec 6 2007, 5:37 pm, Tom Roberts
wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/arch.../02/Norton.pdf
John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as
evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost
universally use it as support for the light postulate of special
relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE
WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT
POSTULATE."

Sure. The fact that this one experiment is compatible with other
theories does not refute relativity in any way. The full experimental
record refutes most if not all emission theories, but not relativity.

THEPOUND-REBKAEXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH AN EMISSION THEORY
OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT POSTULATE.

Sure. But this experiment, too, does not refute relativity. The full
experimental record refutes most if not all emission theories, but not
relativity.

Pentcho Valev

Although irreversibly confused by Criminal Tom Roberts, Silly Vesselin
Petkov is going to explain length contraction to Einstein zombie
world:

http://www.spacetimesociety.org/conf.../cprogram.html

http://www.spacetimecenter.org/confe...008/Petkov.pdf

Pentcho Valev

On Apr 19, 4:57*pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...7a506fee1bf10?
"Redshift - Does wavelength change?"

Silly Vesselin Petkov has discovered that the gravitational redshift
is due to the variation of the speed of light in a gravitational
field, in accordance with Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2), but
Criminal Tom Roberts fiercely confuses Silly Vesselin Petkov and does
not allow him to leave the zombie group in Einstein criminal cult and
become hypnotist.

Although Silly Vesselin Petkov was very close to the truth:

http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9810030v13
Silly Vesselin Petkov: "It has been overlooked that the wavelength of
a photon in the gravitational redshift experiment cannot change along
with its frequency due to the conservation of the photon momentum. As
both frequency and velocity change in this experiment the measurement
of a change in a photon frequency is in fact an indirect measurement
of a change in the photon local velocity."

Criminal Tom Roberts managed to confuse him irreversibly and now Silly
Vesselin Petkov is very far from the truth. Here is an Einsteinian
that Criminal Tom Roberts has not confused yet so this particular
Einsteinian is still very close to the truth:

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp "The first confirmation of a
long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in
1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a
previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the
speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational
field....Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second
place our result shows that, according to the general theory of
relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in
vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the
special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently
referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of
light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light
varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special
Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called
mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that
the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat
surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the
Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der
Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the
gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light
in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for
the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity.
One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2)
where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT FACTOR."

Pentcho Valev

On Thu, 8 May 2008 13:29:58 -0700 (PDT), Pentcho Valev
wrote:

On Apr 19, 4:57*pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...7a506fee1bf10?
"Redshift - Does wavelength change?"

Silly Vesselin Petkov has discovered that the gravitational redshift
is due to the variation of the speed of light in a gravitational
field, in accordance with Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2), but
Criminal Tom Roberts fiercely confuses Silly Vesselin Petkov and does
not allow him to leave the zombie group in Einstein criminal cult and
become hypnotist.

Although Silly Vesselin Petkov was very close to the truth:

http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9810030v13
Silly Vesselin Petkov: "It has been overlooked that the wavelength of
a photon in the gravitational redshift experiment cannot change along
with its frequency due to the conservation of the photon momentum. As
both frequency and velocity change in this experiment the measurement
of a change in a photon frequency is in fact an indirect measurement
of a change in the photon local velocity."

Criminal Tom Roberts managed to confuse him irreversibly and now Silly
Vesselin Petkov is very far from the truth. Here is an Einsteinian
that Criminal Tom Roberts has not confused yet so this particular
Einsteinian is still very close to the truth:

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp "The first confirmation of a
long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in
1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a
previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the
speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational
field....Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second
place our result shows that, according to the general theory of
relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in
vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the
special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently
referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of
light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light
varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special
Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called
mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that
the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat
surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the
Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der
Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the
gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light
in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for
the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity.
One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2)
where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT FACTOR."

Dead right Pentcho
Einstein got away with this one because he merely put a gradient in space to
make light speed constant. Naturally he produced the same result...but in a
most complicated way...
The stupidity of GR is on par with that of earth centrism.

Pentcho Valev




Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

.....specialising in teaching physics to engineers and mathematicians....

"Dr. Henri Wilson" HW@.... wrote in message
...
| Dead right Pentcho
| Einstein got away with this one because he merely put a gradient in space
to
| make light speed constant. Naturally he produced the same result...but in
a
| most complicated way...
| The stupidity of GR is on par with that of earth centrism.

Einstein said
the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
the "time" each way is the same.


Wilson said
"For one ray, ct = 2piR+vt , for the other ct = 2piR-vt. This gives t =
2piR/(c+v) and 2piR/(c-v)" -- Wilson.
...

Dead wrong Wilson

On May 8, 10:29*pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
Although Silly Vesselin Petkov was very close to the truth:

http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9810030v13
Silly Vesselin Petkov: "It has been overlooked that the wavelength of
a photon in the gravitational redshift experiment cannot change along
with its frequency due to the conservation of the photon momentum. As
both frequency and velocity change in this experiment the measurement
of a change in a photon frequency is in fact an indirect measurement
of a change in the photon local velocity."

Criminal Tom Roberts managed to confuse him irreversibly and now Silly
Vesselin Petkov is very far from the truth. Here is an Einsteinian
that Criminal Tom Roberts has not confused yet so this particular
Einsteinian is still very close to the truth:

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp "The first confirmation of a
long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in
1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a
previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the
speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational
field....Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second
place our result shows that, according to the general theory of
relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in
vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the
special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently
referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of
light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light
varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special
Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called
mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that
the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat
surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the
Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der
Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the
gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light
in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for
the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity.
One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2)
where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT FACTOR."

So if Criminal Tom Roberts had not confused Silly Vesselin Petkov so
irreversibly, Silly Vesselin Petkov could say to Silly Ian Morison:

http://fora.tv/2008/02/21/Ian_Moriso...vity_in_Action

Silly Vesselin Petkov: "Hey, Silly Ian Morison, Pound and Rebka did
not prove the existence of any gravitational time dilation! Rather,
although they did not know it, they proved the validity of Einstein's
1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) showing how the speed of light varies with
the gravitaional potential V. If they had known how to apply
Einstein's equivalence principle in such cases, they would also have
shown the validity of the equation c'=c+v given by Newton's emission
theory of light, where v is the relative speed of the light source and
the observer."

Silly Vesselin Petkov will never say that to Silly Ian Morison because
Criminal Tom Roberts managed to confuse him irreversibly.

Pentcho Valev

On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:56:10 +0100, "Androcles"
wrote:


"Dr. Henri Wilson" HW@.... wrote in message
.. .
| Dead right Pentcho
| Einstein got away with this one because he merely put a gradient in space
to
| make light speed constant. Naturally he produced the same result...but in
a
| most complicated way...
| The stupidity of GR is on par with that of earth centrism.

Einstein said
the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
the "time" each way is the same.


Wilson said
"For one ray, ct = 2piR+vt , for the other ct = 2piR-vt. This gives t =
2piR/(c+v) and 2piR/(c-v)" -- Wilson.
...

Dead wrong Wilson

....pretty simple algebra, if you ask me.....

....But the mind of a pommie engineer works in strange ways.



Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

.....specialising in teaching physics to engineers and mathematicians....

"Dr. Henri Wilson" HW@.... wrote in message
...
| On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:56:10 +0100, "Androcles"

| wrote:
|
|
| "Dr. Henri Wilson" HW@.... wrote in message
| .. .
| | Dead right Pentcho
| | Einstein got away with this one because he merely put a gradient in
space
| to
| | make light speed constant. Naturally he produced the same result...but
in
| a
| | most complicated way...
| | The stupidity of GR is on par with that of earth centrism.
|
| Einstein said
| the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
| the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
| the "time" each way is the same.
|
|
| Wilson said
| "For one ray, ct = 2piR+vt , for the other ct = 2piR-vt. This gives t =
| 2piR/(c+v) and 2piR/(c-v)" -- Wilson.
| ...
|
| Dead wrong Wilson
|
| ...pretty simple algebra, if you ask me.....
|
| ...But the mind of a pommie engineer works in strange ways.

vt is straight line, 2PiR is the circumference of a circle.
Adding them is ridiculous.
The mind of an aussie sheep shagger works in strange ways.

--
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.... teaching straight from curved to aussie sheep shaggers.

On May 9, 2:41 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
On May 8, 10:29 pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:



Criminal Tom Roberts managed to confuse him irreversibly and now Silly
,,,
Silly Vesselin Petkov will never say that to Silly Ian Morison because
Criminal Tom Roberts managed to confuse him irreversibly.

Pentcho Valev

Thank you for indicating that you are paranoid schizophrenic.
A sane person wouldn't talk about himself in third person.
Furthermore, there is no foreign dialect where "silly" and
"irreversible" could be used in the same sentence.