On Mon, 5 May 2008 15:00:07 -0700 (PDT), PD wrote:

On May 5, 4:48*pm, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
On Mon, 05 May 2008 07:48:55 -0400, "Robert J. Kolker"
wrote:

Benj wrote:

*I think it should be patently obvious at this point that nobody in
physics has the slightest clue what light is, even though they are
trying hard to cover up that fact.

Light is energy in the form of photons.

Benj's point well proven.
I suppose you will also describe a 'photon' as a 'package of light energy'.

Admit it Kolker, virtually nothing is known about light...particularly light in
transit, which includes most of it.

Well, the concept of light *not* in transit is certainly an
interesting one, Henri. I suppose that's what fills the Wilsonian
Bubble between your ears. Right next to the concept of pointy circles
and acceleration in equilibrium.

Draper, in case you haven't realised it, virtually all the light and other EM
in the universe IS in transit.
Our knowledge of it is restricted to what happens when it interacts with our
eyes and instruments.


Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

.....specialising in teaching physics to engineers and mathematicians....

On May 6, 12:39 am, Jeff$B"%(BRelf wrote:
You told me:
" space has only THREE physical dimensions--X,Y, & Z ".

Sure, in your daydreams; but real life has:
endless / unblockable / unponderable / 4-D gravitational fields;
not " clumps of ether sucked into whirlpools ", not ponderable objects.

You asked me:
" If you can find a link to your ' light has gravity ' article,
let me know. ".

What's wrong with the links I've already shown you ?
Only General Relativity can explain gravitational lensing,
300 year old Newtonian equations won't work.

Quoting WikiPedia on this graphic:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...itational_lens...
" Bending light around a massive object from a distant source.

The orange arrows show the apparent position of the background source.
The white arrows show the path of the light
from the true position of the source. "

Quoting an Abstract of an article entitled:
" Weak gravitational field of
the electromagnetic radiation in a ring laser "

" The gravitational field due to
the circulating flow of electromagnetic radiation of

a unidirectional ring laser is found by solving
the linearized Einstein field equations at
any interior point of the laser ring.

The general relativistic spin equations are then used
to study the behavior of a massive spinning neutral particle
at the center of the ring laser.

It is found that the particle exhibits the phenomenon known
as inertial frame-dragging. ".
-- " Physics Letters A ", Volume 269, Issue 4, p. 214-217
http://adsAbs.Harvard.EDU/abs/2000PhLA..269..214M

Dear Jeff: Are you "smoking" bull ****, too? -- NoEinstein -- PS:
Keep repeating over and over: "NoEinstein has DISPROVED Einstein's
theories of relativity!"

On Tue, 6 May 2008 14:51:35 -0700 (PDT), NoEinstein
wrote:

On May 6, 3:45*am, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
On Mon, 5 May 2008 15:00:07 -0700 (PDT), PD wrote:
On May 5, 4:48*pm, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:

Benj's point well proven.
I suppose you will also describe a 'photon' as a 'package of light energy'.

Admit it Kolker, virtually nothing is known about light...particularly light in
transit, which includes most of it.

Well, the concept of light *not* in transit is certainly an
interesting one, Henri. I suppose that's what fills the Wilsonian
Bubble between your ears. Right next to the concept of pointy circles
and acceleration in equilibrium.

Draper, in case you haven't realised it, virtually all the light and other EM
in the universe IS in transit.
Our knowledge of it is restricted to what happens when it interacts with our
eyes and instruments.

Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

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Dear Henri: That "EM" that keeps getting used goes back to the
erroneous idea that light 'requires' a medium through which to flow.
But the Universe is about equal parts spaces with ether, and spaces
with little or no ether.

I state that differently.

In most of space, there are fields of some description. I say the inverse
square law pertaining to any 'field' eventually breaks down as though the field
were quantized. All individual fields eventually develop holes containing pure
'nothing'.
I say there are many regions in space where field strengths are so low that
there is literally more 'nothing' than field.
It is at the Wilson Density threshold (WDT) that space begins to become holed.

Light travels through the holes purely ballistically. It carries its own little
package of field so its presence temporarily destroys the hole.

On May 7, 4:48*am, "Tom Potter" wrote:
"NoEinstein" wrote in message

...
On May 6, 8:18 am, "Tom Potter" wrote:



- NoEinstein - did make a good point when he
suggested that where there are dead bodies to feed on,
there are apt to be vultures.

Dear Tom: *I didn't say any such thing! *Yes, Jews have banded
together to advance their race and culture. *And yes, Jews have hugely
over reacted in defending what is questionable to be theirs. *When
people get attacked, they can either learn to fight very hard, or they
can look at themselves and ask: "Why are we so disliked?" *If I had to
choose one thing most threatening to the survival of the world, it
would be the win-at-all-costs Jewish attitude. *Muslims main
contributing factor in... 'the threat', is their being overly
ritualistic, and thus more likely to act impulsively, because some
others do so.
* * *The first step to world peace must include correcting the energy
and resource inequities in Muslim nations. *Those people shouldn't
hate 'capitalism'; they should be made to benefit from capitalism!
* * *A person willing to die as a terrorist has the right commitment,
but for the wrong cause! *Removing our group against group, and nation
against nation attitudes will involve thinking globally and
compassionately regarding our neighbors and our friends! *- NoEinstein

================

As that terrorist "Patrick Henry" said
"Give me liberty or give me death."

And as that terrorist "Nathan Hale" said,
"I regret that I have but one life to give for my country."

And perhaps "Colin Kelly" was thinking the same way.

The Muslims nations have been the "abused",
not the"abusers", for hundreds of years,
and they live on land few westerners would want to live on,

and most Muslim terrorists
are brave people who give up their lives
to try to end the oppression of their families and friends,
and the theft of their resources like, land, water and oil.
( Note that Israel's last attack on Lebanon
was an attempt to steal more of their water.)

I suggest that people who fly modern planes and
helicopters, and use remotely guided missles, *
to kill folks are the cowardly terrorists.

--
Tom Potter

http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/ind...m/PotterPhotos
** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**

:-] — NoEinstein —

On May 7, 6:24*pm, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2008 14:51:35 -0700 (PDT), NoEinstein
wrote:





On May 6, 3:45*am, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
On Mon, 5 May 2008 15:00:07 -0700 (PDT), PD wrote:
On May 5, 4:48*pm, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
Benj's point well proven.
I suppose you will also describe a 'photon' as a 'package of light energy'.

Admit it Kolker, virtually nothing is known about light...particularly light in
transit, which includes most of it.

Well, the concept of light *not* in transit is certainly an
interesting one, Henri. I suppose that's what fills the Wilsonian
Bubble between your ears. Right next to the concept of pointy circles
and acceleration in equilibrium.

Draper, in case you haven't realised it, virtually all the light and other EM
in the universe IS in transit.
Our knowledge of it is restricted to what happens when it interacts with our
eyes and instruments.

Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

....specialising in teaching physics to engineers and mathematicians.....- Hide quoted text -

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Dear Henri: *That "EM" that keeps getting used goes back to the
erroneous idea that light 'requires' a medium through which to flow.
But the Universe is about equal parts spaces with ether, and spaces
with little or no ether. *

I state that differently.

In most of space, there are fields of some description. I say the inverse
square law pertaining to any 'field' eventually breaks down as though the field
were quantized. All individual fields eventually develop holes containing pure
'nothing'.
I say there are many regions in space where field strengths are so low that
there is literally more 'nothing' than field.
It is at the Wilson Density threshold (WDT) that space begins to become holed.

Light travels through the holes purely ballistically. It carries its own little
package of field so its presence temporarily destroys the hole.
*.

Photons are a small bundle of energy. *It
has properties, but "mass" isn't one of them.

You can't say that. Anything that possesses energy should also possess mass.

Light doesn't even have
color until it reacts with our eyes. *

Now you are raving. Photons possess properties when they are in transit.

Colour is 100% psychological.

All photons are the same
regardless of the "wave length" (sic) of the light. *

Raving again.

“Photon spacing”
would be a more descriptive distinction for different frequencies of
light.

No it wouldn't. It wouldn't explain diffraction.
Photons are nebulus particles that have an intrinsic oscillation.

*— NoEinstein —

Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

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Dear Henri: Mass is: "The property of a thing that allows
gravitational attraction." All matter is just clumps of energy. But
the clumps must be a certain minimum size to allow attraction by
gravity. — NoEinstein —

"Dr. Henri Wilson" HW@.... wrote in message
...
| On Tue, 6 May 2008 14:51:35 -0700 (PDT), NoEinstein

| wrote:
|
| On May 6, 3:45 am, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
| On Mon, 5 May 2008 15:00:07 -0700 (PDT), PD
wrote:
| On May 5, 4:48 pm, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
|
| Benj's point well proven.
| I suppose you will also describe a 'photon' as a 'package of light
energy'.
|
| Admit it Kolker, virtually nothing is known about
light...particularly light in
| transit, which includes most of it.
|
| Well, the concept of light *not* in transit is certainly an
| interesting one, Henri. I suppose that's what fills the Wilsonian
| Bubble between your ears. Right next to the concept of pointy circles
| and acceleration in equilibrium.
|
| Draper, in case you haven't realised it, virtually all the light and
other EM
| in the universe IS in transit.
| Our knowledge of it is restricted to what happens when it interacts
with our
| eyes and instruments.
|
| Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
|
| ....specialising in teaching physics to engineers and
mathematicians....- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| Dear Henri: That "EM" that keeps getting used goes back to the
| erroneous idea that light 'requires' a medium through which to flow.
| But the Universe is about equal parts spaces with ether, and spaces
| with little or no ether.
|
| I state that differently.
|
| In most of space, there are fields of some description. I say the inverse
| square law pertaining to any 'field' eventually breaks down as though the
field
| were quantized. All individual fields eventually develop holes containing
pure
| 'nothing'.
| I say there are many regions in space where field strengths are so low
that
| there is literally more 'nothing' than field.
| It is at the Wilson Density threshold (WDT) that space begins to become
holed.
|
| Light travels through the holes purely ballistically. It carries its own
little
| package of field so its presence temporarily destroys the hole.
| .
| Photons are a small bundle of energy. It
| has properties, but "mass" isn't one of them.
|
| You can't say that. Anything that possesses energy should also possess
mass.
|
| Light doesn't even have
| color until it reacts with our eyes.
|
| Now you are raving. Photons possess properties when they are in transit.
|
| Colour is 100% psychological.
|
| All photons are the same
| regardless of the "wave length" (sic) of the light.
|
| Raving again.
|
| "Photon spacing"
| would be a more descriptive distinction for different frequencies of
| light.
|
| No it wouldn't. It wouldn't explain diffraction.
| Photons are nebulus particles that have an intrinsic oscillation.
|
| - NoEinstein -
|
|
|
| Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)
| www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
|
| ....specialising in teaching physics to engineers and mathematicians....

Raving again...

On Wed, 7 May 2008 20:00:53 -0700 (PDT), NoEinstein
wrote:

On May 7, 6:24*pm, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2008 14:51:35 -0700 (PDT), NoEinstein
wrote:



Colour is 100% psychological.

All photons are the same
regardless of the "wave length" (sic) of the light. *

Raving again.

“Photon spacing”
would be a more descriptive distinction for different frequencies of
light.

No it wouldn't. It wouldn't explain diffraction.
Photons are nebulus particles that have an intrinsic oscillation.

*— NoEinstein —

Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

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Dear Henri: Mass is: "The property of a thing that allows
gravitational attraction."

No. Mass is the property of matter that resists acceleration when operated upon
by a force.

All matter is just clumps of energy. But
the clumps must be a certain minimum size to allow attraction by
gravity. — NoEinstein —

But matter is responsible for gravity.

You have the cart before the horse.



Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

.....specialising in teaching physics to engineers and mathematicians....

On Thu, 8 May 2008 06:35:40 +0100, "Androcles"
wrote:


"Dr. Henri Wilson" HW@.... wrote in message
.. .
| On Tue, 6 May 2008 14:51:35 -0700 (PDT), NoEinstein

| Now you are raving. Photons possess properties when they are in transit.
|
| Colour is 100% psychological.
|
| All photons are the same
| regardless of the "wave length" (sic) of the light.
|
| Raving again.
|
| "Photon spacing"
| would be a more descriptive distinction for different frequencies of
| light.
|
| No it wouldn't. It wouldn't explain diffraction.
| Photons are nebulus particles that have an intrinsic oscillation.
|
| - NoEinstein -
|
|
|
| Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)
| www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
|
| ....specialising in teaching physics to engineers and mathematicians....

Raving again...

You of all people are in no position to accuse others of raving.


Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

.....specialising in teaching physics to engineers and mathematicians....

On Tue, 6 May 2008 14:41:36 -0700 (PDT), NoEinstein
wrote:

On May 6, 3:32*am, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
On Mon, 5 May 2008 15:11:05 -0700 (PDT), NoEinstein
wrote:


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Dear Henri: *Your "degrees" have gone to your head! *Those don't prove
that a person can think. *They only prove that the person passed the
stupid courses of those who couldn't think, either! *— NoEinstein —

That is true now but it certainly wasn't when I did my courses.

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Dear Henri: Most entering college students take courses "on faith"
that the materials presented will be truthful and helpful to them in
their chosen careers. I know from personal experience that no
university in the world cares a wit to revise their texts to reflect
new developments. Oh, they will "add" new material, but they leave
the old stuff in there as a sort of progression in... history.

With the consequence that students don't get a proper understanding of the
basics.

The
latter is why the textbooks keep getting thinker, and the professors'
grasps of the total gets smaller and smaller. The Jewish publishers
of texts and reference books love the whole royal mess, because they
can keep charging more and more. And those same publishers love it
when dunces like NC Governor Mike Easley keep touting higher education
for everyone. Tell me, WHO is going to be left who is willing to
salvage the former industrial might of this country?

I couldn't agree more. China is turning out 50 technology graduates for every
one in the US.

For starters, the texts should be expurgated of all "for show, or
history" chapters. A 50% immediate reduction would be appropriate as
a starting point. Then, all bachelors degrees should be weeded of
deadwood courses that contribute nothing but wasting time, A typical
student should complete there degree in two years! Screw sports!
Most should be out of college by age 18!

Nah! THey are too immature....they think they know everything but haven't even
scratched the surface....eg Eric Geese.

What that also means is:
Public education stops at the same age drivers’ licenses are obtained—
age sixteen. In the pioneer days people were already married by age
fourteen or fifteen. And our kids are maturing younger and younger.
The "extra grades" are solely to employ un needed teachers, and to
baby sit kids who can hardly control their energies... let alone their
hormones.

Nah. Keep kids at school for as long as possible. It keeps them off the
streets.

Engineer and architects are more results-oriented than
scientists. And ‘results’ means cutting the crap and getting out
there to build a better world! The present ridiculous notion that
education will solve all problems is simply a lie… that manages to get
a lot of real BUMBS elected to public office. — NoEinstein —

.....depends what that education involves. Many idiots genuinely think reading
the christian bible or the koran is 'education'.



Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

.....specialising in teaching physics to engineers and mathematicians....

"Dr. Henri Wilson" HW@.... wrote in message
...
| On Thu, 8 May 2008 06:35:40 +0100, "Androcles"

| wrote:
|
|
| "Dr. Henri Wilson" HW@.... wrote in message
| .. .
| | On Tue, 6 May 2008 14:51:35 -0700 (PDT), NoEinstein
|
| | Now you are raving. Photons possess properties when they are in
transit.
| |
| | Colour is 100% psychological.
| |
| | All photons are the same
| | regardless of the "wave length" (sic) of the light.
| |
| | Raving again.
| |
| | "Photon spacing"
| | would be a more descriptive distinction for different frequencies of
| | light.
| |
| | No it wouldn't. It wouldn't explain diffraction.
| | Photons are nebulus particles that have an intrinsic oscillation.
| |
| | - NoEinstein -
| |
| |
| |
| | Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)
| | www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
| |
| | ....specialising in teaching physics to engineers and
mathematicians....
|
| Raving again...
|
| You of all people are in no position to accuse others of raving.


Einstein said
the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
the "time" each way is the same.


Wilson said
"For one ray, ct = 2piR+vt , for the other ct = 2piR-vt. This gives t =
2piR/(c+v) and 2piR/(c-v)" -- Wilson.
...

Crank Wilson agrees with Crank Einstein.

What you should have said is

"For one ray, ct = 2piR+vt , for the other ct = 2piR-vt. This gives t =
(2piR +vt)/(c+v) and (2piR-vt)/(c-v)" although it would have been
neater not to mix angle with linear distance.

t = R.(2pi+alpha)/(c+v) and R.(2pi-alpha)/(c-v) where R.alpha = vt.

Still, schoolboy mathematics is beyond your capabilities (and Tusseladd's).