"BradGuth" wrote in message
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On Apr 18, 11:19 am, Sanny wrote:
When in School I learnt 2 things about Light

1. Light is a Wave

I was shown Lenses and other Experiments to proove Light is a wave.

2. When I grew up I was told Light is Electro Magnetic Wave.

Later I was Told
3. Magnetic and Electric Field in a light travel at 90`

Can we Change the angle of movement of Electric & Magnetic Field? How
can we say they are perpendicular.

Later I was told Light has photons and its energy is = h*u

So light is a Particle moving at light Speed.

Then I was told Light is both Particle and Wave

Dont you feel things are getting Complex and Absurd.

After 12 years of my passing out of school I still want to know whats
the correct description of light.

Bye
Sanny

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Perhaps you'll become the first to know the answer, because Einstein
didn't have a clue.

I might care to rethink of those photons we see and of all those
photons we can't see as simply slow moving gravitons, or perhaps as
somewhat quantum string like items. Of course, this still doesn't
tell us specifically as to "what is light".

Is there even any such thing as an original photon, or is each and
every available photon merely a secondary/recoil result of gravitons
interacting with other gravitons, or of gravitons interacting with
mass?

Pure energy seems to create photons, but without available gravitons
it doesn't hardly matter, does it.
. - Brad Guth

I gota definition I like too...


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"I Believe in Nothing, I Know, I think I Know or I Do Not Know
I Never Believe... For to Believe is a Religious Incantation"

Sanny wrote:
[snip crap]

Then I was told Light is both Particle and Wave

Dont you feel things are getting Complex and Absurd.
[snip rest of crap]

Education: that which discloses to the wise and disguises from the
foolish their lack of understanding. Mystics are baffled by the
obvious yet possess a complete understanding of the nonexistent.

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"John Graeme" wrote in message
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| Sanny wrote:
| When in School I learnt 2 things about Light
|
| 1. Light is a Wave
|
| I was shown Lenses and other Experiments to proove Light is a wave.
|
|
| 2. When I grew up I was told Light is Electro Magnetic Wave.
|
| Later I was Told
| 3. Magnetic and Electric Field in a light travel at 90`
|
| Can we Change the angle of movement of Electric & Magnetic Field? How
| can we say they are perpendicular.
|
| Later I was told Light has photons and its energy is = h*u
|
| So light is a Particle moving at light Speed.
|
| Then I was told Light is both Particle and Wave
|
| Dont you feel things are getting Complex and Absurd.
|
| After 12 years of my passing out of school I still want to know whats
| the correct description of light.
|
| Bye
| Sanny
|
| It's confusing only if you insist on thinking that human concepts like
| "particle" and "wave" are some fundamental aspect of nature. They are
| human constructs for understanding nature. Light is light--Under some
| conditions it has wave properties; under others particle properties.

Yes, well, I'm a passenger when on a plane but I'm a customer
of the airline when I buy a ticket. Being both and a father and
a motorist as well is as being an engineer is confusing for Sanny,
isn't it? Oh well, time for dinner, I'm about to be a chef. Good thing
I'm not a passenger anymore.

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:19:44 -0700 (PDT), Sanny wrote:

When in School I learnt 2 things about Light

1. Light is a Wave

I was shown Lenses and other Experiments to proove Light is a wave.


2. When I grew up I was told Light is Electro Magnetic Wave.

Later I was Told
3. Magnetic and Electric Field in a light travel at 90`

Can we Change the angle of movement of Electric & Magnetic Field? How
can we say they are perpendicular.

Later I was told Light has photons and its energy is = h*u

So light is a Particle moving at light Speed.

Then I was told Light is both Particle and Wave

Dont you feel things are getting Complex and Absurd.

After 12 years of my passing out of school I still want to know whats
the correct description of light.

Bye
Sanny

Extreme Discussions at: http://www.getclub.com/Discussion.php

There are alternative explanations for the
presence of EM waves or particles as observed in our
situation. I do not know any particulars
or sources. The gist is that what we observe is a
projections from stresses in putative higher dimensions
(a fifth or sixth dimension?). These stresses (similar to
space-time stresses producing 'gravity) manifest
in space-time as EM waves. I would
imagine the Maxwell equations derivable from this
putative scenario. I know nothing more other than
the mention did come from a respectable source.
Don't remember the source, might have been from string
theory literature.

On Apr 18, 2:19*pm, Sanny wrote:
When in School I learnt 2 things about Light

1. Light is a Wave

I was shown Lenses and other Experiments to proove Light is a wave.

2. When I grew up I was told Light is Electro Magnetic Wave.

Later I was Told
3. Magnetic and Electric Field in a light travel at 90`

Can we Change the angle of movement of Electric & Magnetic Field? How
can we say they are perpendicular.

Later I was told Light has photons and its energy is = h*u

So light is a Particle moving at light Speed.

Then I was told Light is both Particle and Wave

Dont you feel things are getting Complex and Absurd.

After 12 years of my passing out of school I still want to know whats
the correct description of light.

Bye
Sanny

Extreme Discussions at:http://www.getclub.com/Discussion.php

I suggest that you look up the paper entitled "Past Experiments
Detecting Absolute Motion" in my website for a description of a photon
(page 3):
http://www.geocities.com/kn_seto/index.htm

Ken Seto

On Apr 18, 11:43*am, J Jones wrote:
...
* The eyes know, and they're not telling.

Who was it that said:
"Crikey, what a lot of crappy, irrelevant responses you got."

David A. Smith

Dear Sanny:

On Apr 18, 11:19*am, Sanny wrote:
When in School I learnt 2 things about Light

1. Light is a Wave

I was shown Lenses and other Experiments to
proove Light is a wave.

2. When I grew up I was told Light is Electro
Magnetic Wave.

Later I was Told
3. Magnetic and Electric Field in a light
travel at 90`

Can we Change the angle of movement of
Electric & Magnetic Field? How can we say
they are perpendicular.

We can conduct the light through a medium, and the realtionship
changes. We can pass the light through different type of polatizers,
and verify the angle. We can review the requirements of Maxwell's
relations, and it provides their relationship.

Later I was told Light has photons and its
energy is = h*u

So light is a Particle moving at light Speed.

Then I was told Light is both Particle and Wave

Dont you feel things are getting Complex and Absurd.

Has Man ever understood Woman, or Woman Man? *There* is a complex
relationship.

After 12 years of my passing out of school
I still want to know whats the correct
description of light.

You have some good answers. Light is light. What you seek to
measure, is what light can become for you. Do not put faith in
words... "wave" and "particle" stand for experiences and not light.

David A. Smith

On Apr 18, 12:52 pm, "Paul Mays" wrote:
"BradGuth" wrote in message

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On Apr 18, 11:19 am, Sanny wrote:
When in School I learnt 2 things about Light

1. Light is a Wave

I was shown Lenses and other Experiments to proove Light is a wave.

2. When I grew up I was told Light is Electro Magnetic Wave.

Later I was Told
3. Magnetic and Electric Field in a light travel at 90`

Can we Change the angle of movement of Electric & Magnetic Field? How
can we say they are perpendicular.

Later I was told Light has photons and its energy is = h*u

So light is a Particle moving at light Speed.

Then I was told Light is both Particle and Wave

Dont you feel things are getting Complex and Absurd.

After 12 years of my passing out of school I still want to know whats
the correct description of light.

Bye
Sanny

Extreme Discussions at:http://www.getclub.com/Discussion.php

Perhaps you'll become the first to know the answer, because Einstein
didn't have a clue.

I might care to rethink of those photons we see and of all those
photons we can't see as simply slow moving gravitons, or perhaps as
somewhat quantum string like items. Of course, this still doesn't
tell us specifically as to "what is light".

Is there even any such thing as an original photon, or is each and
every available photon merely a secondary/recoil result of gravitons
interacting with other gravitons, or of gravitons interacting with
mass?

Pure energy seems to create photons, but without available gravitons
it doesn't hardly matter, does it.
. - Brad Guth

I gota definition I like too...

--
Paul R. Mays
"I Believe in Nothing, I Know, I think I Know or I Do Not Know
I Never Believe... For to Believe is a Religious Incantation"

I like your interpretation as much as that one provided by '"dlzc".

However, if gravity/gravitons didn't exist, neither would the quantum
string like photon. In other words, without the spin of atoms, we got
nothing.
.. - Brad Guth

On Apr 18, 2:19*pm, Sanny wrote:
When in School I learnt 2 things about Light

1. Light is a Wave

I was shown Lenses and other Experiments to proove Light is a wave.

2. When I grew up I was told Light is Electro Magnetic Wave.

Later I was Told
3. Magnetic and Electric Field in a light travel at 90`

Can we Change the angle of movement of Electric & Magnetic Field? How
can we say they are perpendicular.

Later I was told Light has photons and its energy is = h*u

So light is a Particle moving at light Speed.

Then I was told Light is both Particle and Wave

Dont you feel things are getting Complex and Absurd.

After 12 years of my passing out of school I still want to know whats
the correct description of light.

Bye
Sanny

Extreme Discussions at:http://www.getclub.com/Discussion.php

Dear Sanny: Light is basically a small cluster of ether—the stuff from
which everything in the Universe is composed. Those clusters are
'like' photons. Because ether is polar, or has plus and minus 'ends',
it is attracted to the high charges concentrated near any mass. Light
passing close to, say, a knife edge gets deflected by the charges of
the atoms in the knife. The closer the photons come to the knife
edge, the greater is the angle such will be bent.
The above bending seemed to say that light is a wave (sic)
because water (or sound waves) can pass around objects and be detected
off of the line of sight of the source from the observer. An early
experiment with interference patterns used precisely spaced vertical
slits. A paper target was set parallel to the foil having the slits.
Because the edges of those slits bent the light off of the line of
sight, the light from adjoining slits, also bent, interfered with the
light from adjoining slits. The interference pattern appears similar
to the ripples of crossing waves in water. So, erroneously, light was
assumed to be passing through some water-like medium… Note: They were
RIGHT about the ‘medium’, but WRONG about the effect the medium was
having on the photons.
But the botched-up 1887 M-M experiment seemed to rule out
ether... Einstein got around ‘that’ dilemma by supposing that light
could be either a wave or photons. But as with nearly everything
Einstein supposed, he was wrong. (Brownian Motion is the lone exception
—and that was actually a no-brainer.)
Because ether and light are related, light gets re energized
(nurtured) from the ether through which it passes. That's why light
over vast distances 'usually' travels at velocity 'c'. You could
think of such velocity as the tangential velocity of the smallest
ether unit—that I call: IOTA. Light can travel any velocity above
'c', but such velocity will be slowed back to velocity 'c' over as yet
indeterminate distances. Uniquely, light traveling faster than 'c'
can keep doing so indefinitely, if the rays are confined to fixed
directions and with high enough energy. In that case the photons will
tunnel through the ether. If mankind wishes to locate intelligent
beings, the best place to look is in the very high energy ranges of
the spectrum. Huge amounts of data could be compressed to cross the
Milky Way quickly. What we may think are gamma ray bursts could be
high energy communications. The ‘detectors’ for such would need to be
traveling beyond velocity 'c' so the data could be ‘caught’. And both
sender and receiver would need to know precisely where the other was,
and when, and how fast they were traveling... "relatively". Note:
That is NOT a reference to any twin paradoxes, or time travel—as there
are no such things!
Hope this lets you think beyond the textbooks! — NoEinstein —

On Apr 18, 10:19*am, Sanny wrote:
When in School I learnt 2 things about Light

1. Light is a Wave

I was shown Lenses and other Experiments to proove Light is a wave.

2. When I grew up I was told Light is Electro Magnetic Wave.

Later I was Told
3. Magnetic and Electric Field in a light travel at 90`

Can we Change the angle of movement of Electric & Magnetic Field? How
can we say they are perpendicular.

Later I was told Light has photons and its energy is = h*u

So light is a Particle moving at light Speed.

Then I was told Light is both Particle and Wave

Dont you feel things are getting Complex and Absurd.

After 12 years of my passing out of school I still want to know whats
the correct description of light.

Bye
Sanny

Extreme Discussions at:http://www.getclub.com/Discussion.php

Light is a force. IT is EM. It is electric and magnetic. Call it a
Dual Force wave of energy.

Mitch Reamsch - Falling light changes colour