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On Apr 22, 1:18 am, "Tom Potter" wrote:
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What makes you believe Art Deco could understand
â?o integer units of action â? ? !

He couldn't understand potty humor if it exeeded one line.
We're like idiot savants with non-overlapping esoteric talents;
so one man's talent can't be seen by the other.

Actually Art Deco understands, and does,
his job very well.

Art works out of the caliballista.org boiler-room,
which is operated by a few Jewish bigots,
and used to intimidate and smear people,
that the bigots target.

Art's job is not to engage in rational, intelligent, moral
discussions to arrive at fundamental truths,

but his job is to smear folks, and obscure threads
on issues that his handlers don't want to have
the public exposed to.

Art does his job in several ways.

1. He ****es out posters,
and gets them off the issue,
and into a ****ing war.

2. He tries to link his victims
with negative images, negative ideas,
and negative people.

3. He appends alt.usenet.kook
to threads he wants to disrupt
in order to instigate a flame war between
the poster, the caliballista, boiler-rook bigots,
and the young boys and sociopaths
who hang out in alt.usenet.kook.

Art does a pretty good job
directing the activities of a few race/religion motivated bigots,
and in exploiting inferiority complexes in a few
sociopaths and young boys,
who tend to boost their egos by demeaning folks.
( Note that Art also exploits the inferiority complexes
of young boys and sociopaths in the serious newsgroups,
and gets some of them to append alt.usenet.kook to posts.

The Republican Party,
and now the Clinton gang
use the same tactics
used by the calaballista.org race motivated bigots,
and the tactic must work,
as they spend millions of dollars
trying to divert the attention of people
from facts and details.

I dare say that if Obama becomes president,
the masses will begin to turn aggressively on the
bigots, media, and politicians who use
smear as a weapon to promote their agenda,
which could not be promote successfully
using logic, intelligence and facts.

Hopefully, when the public gets sick of the
smear tactics, laws will be passed that make
it easy for folks smeared by Institutionalized Bigotry
to collect damages from the individuals and
organization that effected the smears.

The definition of "bigot" is:
"A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from
his
own."

To read the stories of a few of the many folks
who have been victims of Institutionalized bigotry
visit the web site below.

http://www.zundelsite.org/english/debate/victims/index.html

--
Tom Potter

http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/ind...crazyideas.blo...

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-- Dear Tom: If Obama becomes President, the USA is probably doomed...

Considering that - NoEinstein -
is making Einstein look good,

and considering that he is opposed to Obama,
the only candidate for president
that is not totally controlled by the Jewish lobby,

one has to wonder if - NoEinstein -
is a shill,

working for the Einstein Cult,
and the War-for-Profit Gang.

--
Tom Potter

http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/ind...m/PotterPhotos

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Dear Tom: Obama is a "minority" candidate supported by "minority"
Jews. TIME-Warner and CNN network are hugely biased toward Obama.
The publishers of science texts are mostly controlled by Jews; and
those love the fact that they make so much money trying to "explain"
Einstein. Einstein was a Jew, and Jews get their egos boosted by
letting him remain unchallenged. So, you could rightly say that Jews
are the primary reason my Einstein disproofs haven't gotten to the
front pages. Do you agree? :-) - NoEinstein -

I don't know what the "primary reason"
for the lack of acceptance of your "Einstein disproofs" is,
as I have not read your "Einstein disproofs",

but any idea, if it is powerful enough,
can overcome the Jewish bias in media.

Regarding your comment:
"Obama is a "minority" candidate
supported by "minority" Jews."

Although Obama has given lip service to Jews
in order to avoid being "Jimmy Cartered",
there is no doubt that the Clintons, the Bushes,
and McClain are owned lock, stock, and barrel by Jews,
and that Obama is not in their employee,
nor will he be intimidated by them,
once he becomes president.

Considering that Osama is the only threat to
the Jewish agenda, I wouldn't be surprised
if the Mossad finds themselves another
"James Earl Ray", and have him assassinate Obama,
so the deed can be blamed on Rednecks in general,
in order to instigate an enormous conflict between
Blacks and Whites, and get Jews back into control,
pulling the strings on either Clinton or McClain,
as they did on the Bushes.

--
Tom Potter

http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com
http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos

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John Kennaugh wrote:
jem wrote:
John Kennaugh wrote:
PD wrote:
On Apr 22, 9:00 am, John Kennaugh
wrote:


One cannot prove it is a wave only show evidence that it might be.
Similarly you cannot prove it is particles. What is critical is
evidence
that it isn't a wave or evidence that it isn't a particle.
It cannot be both.

Why not?

One has to either explain how a wave can give an
impeccable impression of being a particle, or explain how particles
can
give rise to very convincing wavelike properties. To me the former is
impossible the latter exceedingly difficult. You may see it
differently.


A US quarter exhibits the properties of a US president. It also
exhibits the properties of a carnivorous bird.
A US quarter is incapable of starting an unnecessary war without
having even the vaguest plan as to what to do after it had been
'won' neither is it capable of eating flesh so a US quarter exhibits
neither the properties of a president nor of a carnivorous bird.

PD overestimated your ability to extract the point from his example.
Try this. A US quarter "gives an impeccable impression" of being a
picture of a president,


so using Kennaugh "logic" it's impossible, or at least exceedingly
difficult, for it to "give an impeccable impression" of being a
picture of an eagle too.

It has a picture of a president on one side and a picture of an eagle on
the other. If it was cubic it could have six pictures one on each side.
A 'picture' is not fundamentally different to another 'picture'
physically they are built up using the same technique of raised bits of
metal. They differ only in which bits of metal are raised and by how
much and what is done on one side in no way puts constraints on what is
done on the other and you cannot distort "Kennaugh's logic" to imply
that it says it does.

In order to learn from an analogy, Kennaugh, you need to look to the
similarities, not the dissimilarities.

A wave on the other hand is a function of continuous fields and a photon
is definitely not continuous.

Now if you watch a film it looks to be a continuously moving picture but
you know that it is made up of a series of fixed images. It doesn't mean
we have to accept that it IS a continuously moving picture and IS also a
series of fixed images. It IS a series of fixed images which give an
impeccable impression of being a moving picture.

Light is not both waves AND photons - although it might be neither. The
most promising approach is that light IS made up of photons which
together give an impeccable impression of being waves. Just as we
understand how a series of fixed images can give rise to an impression
of continuously moving pictures it might be possible to understand how
photons can give the impression that they are waves.

Light IS something* that exhibits *both* wave-like AND particle-like
behavior, but if it makes you happier to think that light IS a
particle which also "gives an impeccable impression" of being a wave,
or IS a wave which also "gives an impeccable impression" of being a
particle, go right ahead, because such distinctions are entirely
irrelevant to Science.

* Having discussed related issues with you before, I know it's
necessary to point out that light isn't something that exists in
Nature with properties that Science attempts to discover - it's
something that exists in models of Nature where *what* it is, is
*exactly* what it's *defined* to be.

R.A.Waldron has suggested [1] a structural model of a photon with which
explains the wavelike properties of light but physics doctrine has
declared that a photon has no internal structure which is rather
limiting. Like trying to explain how one gets the impression of detailed
moving pictures from a series of blank frames rather than assuming that
something in the nature of the frames gives rise to the impression of
detailed moving pictures.

Your goal for physical models, Kennaugh, is to get them to conform to
your common-sense notions, but the modern view of Science is that the
proper goal for physical models is the accurate prediction of
experimental outcomes - common-sense needs to conform to accurate
models.


[1] "The Spinning Photon" R.A.Waldron 1983 - Speculations in Science and
Technology Vol6 No2

On Apr 22, 9:33*pm, Eric Gisse wrote:
On Apr 22, 4:40*pm, NoEinstein wrote:





On Apr 21, 9:51*pm, Eric Gisse wrote:

On Apr 21, 2:18*pm, NoEinstein wrote:
[snip]

My own X-Y-Z interferometer easily detects Earth's movement in the
cosmos. *Einstein himself said that no Earth based experiment could
detect such movement, but he was so WRONG! *— NoEinstein —

Really?

That'd be worth a Nobel - why do you keep it to yourself?

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Dear Eric: *Have you gotten "religion" or something? *You've made
three non-offensive comments in a row. *Keep that up and I will remove
your PNG status!

Like I give a rats ass about what you think about me. You could
promote me to the 42nd Commandant of the Unicorn army with a secondary
degree in underwater upside down basket weaving, and I still wouldn't
care.

* * *To answer your question: *My simple experiment has been described
in numerous of my replies. *One guy, Tom Davidson, even asked for, and
got a drawing and a detailed description of the construction. *I will
avoid any "PD like" groupies who only want to pass judgment—when they
have zero qualifications to p... on anything.

Paul is an experimentalist with published papers. Slightly more
qualified than an architect with no formal training in the field.

*If you will search my
profile for: X-Y-Z interferometer, one or more of those will describe
the arrangement of the laser, mirrors and target, etc. *But to
understand what is happening all that is needed is to realize that
while the light (of either light course) is in transit, the apparatus
itself keeps moving due to Earth's velocity component. *My
interferometer places the CONTROL light course on the SAME Z axis that
the rest of the apparatus rotates about. *The beam splitter is
perpendicular to the first leg of the laser light. *Since the TIME
required for light to travel to a PERPENDICULAR surface doesn't vary,
even though the mirror is moving, such can act as a CONTROL (something
that doesn't vary, to which something that DOES vary can be compared).

You still don't know how an interferometer works. If there is a change
in path length, there will be a phase difference and thus interference
at the detector where the beams reconverge. That's why there is no
CONTROL as you randomly capitalize it.

* * *After passing through the 30R, 70T beam splitter, the TEST light
course reflects from a 45 degree first surface mirror; and on to a
perpendicular first surface mirror; back to the 45 degree mirror;
through the BS; and on to the painted metal target bonded to the front
of the laser. *That target has a precision pin hole to allow the laser
light to pass through. *Because the light diverges about .5 degree, by
the time it reflects back to the target, the fringe pattern is a clear
3/8" diameter with about 8 fringes.

Really? 8 fringes you say?

Where is the writeup that contains the design, theory, and analysis?
What's your error?





* * *The reason my interferometer works, and the M-M didn't, is
because M-M had BOTH light courses reflect from the 45 degree mirror!
So, the lateral motion of the apparatus affected both of its light
courses, identically. *My interferometer has an effective physical
length change of the light course that reflects from the 45 degree
mirror. *The faster the Earth's velocity component, the further off
center the light hits the 45 degree mirror, and the greater is the
physical change in the length of that course. *As Michelson knew, a
physical change of length (via screws) of ONE COURSE of his
interferometer allowed making precise measurements—like the "official"
meter stick. *But when he let Earth's velocity "move" the light, both
courses reflected from the 45 degree BS, and so both TIMES of travel
remained identical…
* * *If any of those two dozen universities that I've sent all of my
information to had been objective, they have had more than enough time
to replicate my results. *So, THAT is the real reason it SEEMS that I
am keeping my experiment to myself. *There just aren't any (ha, ha...)
“scientists” out there objective enough to buck the status quo of
stupidity at ALL USA universities! *Note: Exceptions to the latter are
URGED to ask for my experiment descriptions! *— NoEinstein —

Are you smarter than every physicist ever? No? Then learn some
humility.

If you want people to give a damn, perform the experiment and write it
up. Go to a research university and read some papers on the subject so
you can get a feel for the terminology and how to write things up.
You'll note that adhoms, random capitalizations, appeals to personal
[nonexistent!!!] authority, and general insults against scientists
won't be in there. You'll also want to explain why over a century of
experiments haven't detected the aether - and you'll have to do better
than "the MMX didn't have a control" since has been a followup or
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Folks: And where is Eric's college diploma? — NoEinstein —

On Apr 23, 7:45*am, "Androcles" wrote:
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"John Kennaugh" wrote in message

.uk...

If you wish to comment upon what I write, Kennaugh, don't do a
Phuckwit Duck and knee-jerk into mid-sentence or you will
be snipped in return.

| Androcles wrote:

|
I cannot be a father and a cyclist, a diner and an airline passenger,
an engineer and a clerk? You have a strange idea of what cannot be.
QUESTION MARK * ^
Can you see the question mark, knee-jerk Kennaugh?

Light is a wave and a particle, it can be and it is both.
*http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.htm

Androcles: But the "Swiss cheese" voids in the Universe's galaxy
distribution is also devoid of ether, which got contained near the
centers of mass. Yet light can cross those voids perfectly well. If
light was (flip a coin) a wave, the ether would have to be everywhere
in order for the light to pass. The only "wave proofs" are bending
beyond the line of sight. The following reply of mine explains how
light, as photons, can bend beyond the line of sight:

Visible light entering a prism has the same "spectrum" as it has
when it leaves. It is just that the light leaving has different
direction based on it wavelength. It will have no effect on
"persistence".

Will you tell more about black body rediation
persisting for very long time.

It does not matter that it is comprised of many wavelengths,
representing a black body radiator. What is important is that it
has passed through almost no intervening matter. So the only
effect on the light (as we see it) is that it is uniformly red
shifted. Otherwise, it is a strong source, and is distributed as
it was when it was emitted.
David A. Smith

Dear David: Long time no hear! White light is closely spaced trains
of photons of all of the visible wavelengths. Light on the “blue” end
of the visible spectrum is more energetic, because the photons are
arriving on a closer spacing, and thus at a quicker time interval.
That is like an 30 cal. machine gun being more energetic than a 30
cal. repeating rifle.
It turns out that glass prisms, and lenses, too, pass photons
with less angular deviation when the photons are arriving at quicker
intervals. So, blue light deviates less than red light in passing
through prisms or lenses. The reason for this is that light inside
the glass follows the moving ether envelope that’s around each atom.
And those envelopes get nudged faster or slower depending on which
side of the atom the photon “hit”.
Blue light tends to establish a more consistent course through
the glass, because the ether inside has less time to return to its
normal spin between “hits”. Red light photons arrive more slowly, so
the ether envelopes are more prepared to do their own nudging on the
photons. And those photons deviate the most.
An amazing thing happens at the glass-to-air junctu The ether
fields around the atoms on the face of the glass partially bond with
the photons to ‘slingshot’ those at angles inversely proportional to
the arrival frequency. So the light OUT of a 60 degree prism is
broken into “colored” bands, or spectra, and isn’t the same as the
white light that entered. Conceivably, another prism of the proper
shape and placement could recombine the spectra to produce slightly
red shifted “white” light.
For 45 degree prisms, the angle of approach of the photons to the
glass-to-air juncture of the hypotenuse is shallow enough that the
rotating ether fields can slingshot all of the light 90 degrees. Each
of the photons arch around the atoms on the face of the glass, then re
enter the glass to exit perpendicular to the prism face.
My recent focus (no pun intended) on the nature of light results
from my extensive thought necessary to understand, and to invalidate
the 1887 Michelson-Morley interferometer experiment as a light
velocity detector. And, of course, such disproves Einstein, and
reinstates ether as the energy “stuff” from which the Universe is
constructed.
I’ve disproved that light is in the form of waves. Photons will
travel perfectly well in those portions of the Universe—between the
galaxies—where the ether density is slight. Because of the gaps in
the ether, gravity isn’t a force to be reckoned with across the
Universe, and so will never cause a Big Crunch. And since I have also
proved that there are no… “super massive” black holes, there never
could have been a gravity force that would “crunch” all of the matter
in the Universe to the size of a sub-atomic particle. And so there
was no Big Bang. — NoEinstein —
Please read my recent posts:

Where Angels Fear to Fall
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...8737b3de57d9e6
Cleaning Away Einstein’s Mishmash
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...9aef0aee462d26
Dropping Einstein Like a Stone
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...967db2b?hl=en#

On Apr 23, 8:15*am, Huang wrote:
On Apr 22, 7:48*pm, NoEinstein wrote:





On Apr 22, 1:18*am, "Tom Potter" wrote:

"NoEinstein" wrote in message

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On Apr 21, 8:18 am, "Tom Potter" wrote:

"
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wrote in message

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What makes you believe Art Deco could understand
â?o integer units of action â? ? !

He couldn't understand potty humor if it exeeded one line.
We're like idiot savants with non-overlapping esoteric talents;
so one man's talent can't be seen by the other.

Actually Art Deco understands, and does,
his job very well.

Art works out of the caliballista.org boiler-room,
which is operated by a few Jewish bigots,
and used to intimidate and smear people,
that the bigots target.

Art's job is not to engage in rational, intelligent, moral
discussions to arrive at fundamental truths,

but his job is to smear folks, and obscure threads
on issues that his handlers don't want to have
the public exposed to.

Art does his job in several ways.

1. He ****es out posters,
and gets them off the issue,
and into a ****ing war.

2. He tries to link his victims
with negative images, negative ideas,
and negative people.

3. He appends alt.usenet.kook
to threads he wants to disrupt
in order to instigate a flame war between
the poster, the caliballista, boiler-rook bigots,
and the young boys and sociopaths
who hang out in alt.usenet.kook.

Art does a pretty good job
directing the activities of a few race/religion motivated bigots,
and in exploiting inferiority complexes in a few
sociopaths and young boys,
who tend to boost their egos by demeaning folks.
( Note that Art also exploits the inferiority complexes
of young boys and sociopaths in the serious newsgroups,
and gets some of them to append alt.usenet.kook to posts.

The Republican Party,
and now the Clinton gang
use the same tactics
used by the calaballista.org race motivated bigots,
and the tactic must work,
as they spend millions of dollars
trying to divert the attention of people
from facts and details.

I dare say that if Obama becomes president,
the masses will begin to turn aggressively on the
bigots, media, and politicians who use
smear as a weapon to promote their agenda,
which could not be promote successfully
using logic, intelligence and facts.

Hopefully, when the public gets sick of the
smear tactics, laws will be passed that make
it easy for folks smeared by Institutionalized Bigotry
to collect damages from the individuals and
organization that effected the smears.

The definition of "bigot" is:
"A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his
own."

To read the stories of a few of the many folks
who have been victims of Institutionalized bigotry
visit the web site below.

http://www.zundelsite.org/english/debate/victims/index.html

--
Tom Potter

http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/ind...crazyideas.blo....

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-- Dear Tom: *If Obama becomes President, the USA is probably doomed....

Considering that - NoEinstein -
is making Einstein look good,

and considering that he is opposed to Obama,
the only candidate for president
that is not totally controlled by the Jewish lobby,

one has to wonder if - NoEinstein -
is a shill,

working for the Einstein Cult,
and the War-for-Profit Gang.

--
Tom Potter

http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/ind...crazyideas.blo....

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Dear Tom: *Obama is a "minority" candidate supported by "minority"
Jews. *TIME-Warner and CNN network are hugely biased toward Obama.
The publishers of science texts are mostly controlled by Jews; and
those love the fact that they make so much money trying to "explain"
Einstein. *Einstein was a Jew, and Jews get their egos boosted by
letting him remain unchallenged. *So, you could rightly say that Jews
are the primary reason my Einstein disproofs haven't gotten to the
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That is pure bull****. You cant possibly know how stupid you sound, or
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On Apr 23, 9:02*am, PD wrote:
On Apr 22, 6:58*pm, NoEinstein wrote:





On Apr 21, 9:08*pm, PD wrote:

On Apr 21, 5:44*pm, NoEinstein wrote:

On Apr 21, 7:55*am, "Paul Mays" wrote:

--http://fast.filespace.org/PaulRMays/Postulate.pdf

--
Paul R. Mays
"I Believe in Nothing, I Know, I think I Know or I Do Not Know
*I Never Believe... For to Believe is a Religious Incantation"

"NoEinstein" wrote in message

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On Apr 19, 4:51 am, "Paul Mays" wrote:

"Paul Mays" wrote in message

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"BradGuth" wrote in message
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On Apr 18, 12:52 pm, "Paul Mays" wrote:
"BradGuth" wrote in message

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On Apr 18, 11:19 am, Sanny wrote:
When in School I learnt 2 things about Light

1. Light is a Wave

I was shown Lenses and other Experiments to proove Light is a
wave.

2. When I grew up I was told Light is Electro Magnetic Wave.

Later I was Told
3. Magnetic and Electric Field in a light travel at 90`

Can we Change the angle of movement of Electric & Magnetic
Field?
How
can we say they are perpendicular.

Later I was told Light has photons and its energy is = h*u

So light is a Particle moving at light Speed.

Then I was told Light is both Particle and Wave

Dont you feel things are getting Complex and Absurd.

After 12 years of my passing out of school I still want to know
whats
the correct description of light.

Bye
Sanny

Extreme Discussions at:http://www.getclub.com/Discussion.php

Perhaps you'll become the first to know the answer, because
Einstein
didn't have a clue.

I might care to rethink of those photons we see and of all those
photons we can't see as simply slow moving gravitons, or perhaps
as
somewhat quantum string like items. Of course, this still doesn't
tell us specifically as to "what is light".

Is there even any such thing as an original photon, or is each and
every available photon merely a secondary/recoil result of
gravitons
interacting with other gravitons, or of gravitons interacting with
mass?

Pure energy seems to create photons, but without available
gravitons
it doesn't hardly matter, does it.
. - Brad Guth

I gota definition I like too...

--
Paul R. Mays
"I Believe in Nothing, I Know, I think I Know or I Do Not Know
I Never Believe... For to Believe is a Religious Incantation"

I like your interpretation as much as that one provided by '"dlzc".

However, if gravity/gravitons didn't exist, neither would the quantum
string like photon. In other words, without the spin of atoms, we got
nothing.
. - Brad Guth

Well my interpretation Explains why there no need for gravitons to
denote the Causation of Gravity, What specifically light is and why its
detectable as a Wave or Little ball of stuff (Photon), Why its velocity
will always be independent of source or target, and seemingly a constant..

Yet allows all existing physical rules to remain valid to a Intrinsically
Biased
observer.

--
Paul R. Mays
"I Believe in Nothing, I Know, I think I Know or I Do Not Know
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Dear Paul: *You're right on all but one point: "The velocity of
emitted (or reflected) light ALWAYS increases or decreases depending
on the velocity and direction of the source or reflecting surface." *—
NoEinstein —

No .. *A car is going 50mph at a brick wall... *if the wall is moving at the
car
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Dear Paul: Closing velocity is confusing you. *Think of a baseball
pitcher on the bow of a boat. *If the boat is going 10 mph, and he
throws a 90 mph fast ball (relative to the boat) in the direction the
boat is headed, the baseball will be increased in speed to 100 mph.

Not quite. The baseball will be going (90 mph + 10 mph)/(1 + (90 mph)
(10 mph)/c^2).

But if the same pitcher throws the ball 90 mph from the stern, the
ball will only be traveling 80 mph relative to the shore.

Again not quite. Take the same formula above and replace the plus
signs with minus signs.

*Light does
EXACTLY the same thing! *— NoEinstein —

Yes, you're right. So let's take a boat going 10 mph and throw light
from it, so that the speed is (10 mph + c)/(1 + (10 mph)*c/c^2).
Please do the itty bitty bit of algebra and tell me what answer you
get. Is it more than c, less than c, or the same as c?

PD-
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Folks: PD is exactly right when he admits he doesn't think! —
NoEinstein —

On Apr 23, 9:02*am, PD wrote:
On Apr 22, 6:59*pm, NoEinstein wrote:





On Apr 21, 9:08*pm, PD wrote:

On Apr 21, 5:45*pm, NoEinstein wrote:

On Apr 21, 8:28*am, PD wrote:

On Apr 20, 8:30*pm, NoEinstein wrote:

On Apr 19, 4:51*am, "Paul Mays" wrote:

"Paul Mays" wrote in message

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"BradGuth" wrote in message
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On Apr 18, 12:52 pm, "Paul Mays" wrote:
"BradGuth" wrote in message

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On Apr 18, 11:19 am, Sanny wrote:
When in School I learnt 2 things about Light

1. Light is a Wave

I was shown Lenses and other Experiments to proove Light is a
wave.

2. When I grew up I was told Light is Electro Magnetic Wave.

Later I was Told
3. Magnetic and Electric Field in a light travel at 90`

Can we Change the angle of movement of Electric & Magnetic Field?
How
can we say they are perpendicular.

Later I was told Light has photons and its energy is = h*u

So light is a Particle moving at light Speed.

Then I was told Light is both Particle and Wave

Dont you feel things are getting Complex and Absurd.

After 12 years of my passing out of school I still want to know
whats
the correct description of light.

Bye
Sanny

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Perhaps you'll become the first to know the answer, because Einstein
didn't have a clue.

I might care to rethink of those photons we see and of all those
photons we can't see as simply slow moving gravitons, or perhaps as
somewhat quantum string like items. *Of course, this still doesn't
tell us specifically as to "what is light".

Is there even any such thing as an original photon, or is each and
every available photon merely a secondary/recoil result of gravitons
interacting with other gravitons, or of gravitons interacting with
mass?

Pure energy seems to create photons, but without available gravitons
it doesn't hardly matter, does it.
*. - Brad Guth

I gota definition I like too...

--
Paul R. Mays
"I Believe in Nothing, I Know, I think I Know or I Do Not Know
*I Never Believe... For to Believe is a Religious Incantation"

I like your interpretation as much as that one provided by '"dlzc".

However, if gravity/gravitons didn't exist, neither would the quantum
string like photon. *In other words, without the spin of atoms, we got
nothing.
. - Brad Guth

Well my interpretation Explains why there no need for gravitons to
denote the Causation of Gravity, What specifically light is and why its
detectable as a Wave or Little ball of stuff (Photon), Why its velocity
will always be independent of source or target, *and seemingly a constant..

Yet allows all existing physical rules to remain valid to a Intrinsically
Biased
observer.

--
Paul R. Mays
"I Believe in Nothing, I Know, I think I Know or I Do Not Know
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Dear Paul: *You're right on all but one point: "The velocity of
emitted (or reflected) light ALWAYS increases or decreases depending
on the velocity and direction of the source or reflecting surface." *—
NoEinstein —

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Does that mean you don't care what experiment says?

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Folks: PD is exactly right when he admits he doesn't think! —
NoEinstein —

On Apr 23, 9:05*am, PD wrote:
On Apr 22, 7:48*pm, NoEinstein wrote:





On Apr 22, 1:18*am, "Tom Potter" wrote:

"NoEinstein" wrote in message

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On Apr 21, 8:18 am, "Tom Potter" wrote:

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wrote in message

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What makes you believe Art Deco could understand
â?o integer units of action â? ? !

He couldn't understand potty humor if it exeeded one line.
We're like idiot savants with non-overlapping esoteric talents;
so one man's talent can't be seen by the other.

Actually Art Deco understands, and does,
his job very well.

Art works out of the caliballista.org boiler-room,
which is operated by a few Jewish bigots,
and used to intimidate and smear people,
that the bigots target.

Art's job is not to engage in rational, intelligent, moral
discussions to arrive at fundamental truths,

but his job is to smear folks, and obscure threads
on issues that his handlers don't want to have
the public exposed to.

Art does his job in several ways.

1. He ****es out posters,
and gets them off the issue,
and into a ****ing war.

2. He tries to link his victims
with negative images, negative ideas,
and negative people.

3. He appends alt.usenet.kook
to threads he wants to disrupt
in order to instigate a flame war between
the poster, the caliballista, boiler-rook bigots,
and the young boys and sociopaths
who hang out in alt.usenet.kook.

Art does a pretty good job
directing the activities of a few race/religion motivated bigots,
and in exploiting inferiority complexes in a few
sociopaths and young boys,
who tend to boost their egos by demeaning folks.
( Note that Art also exploits the inferiority complexes
of young boys and sociopaths in the serious newsgroups,
and gets some of them to append alt.usenet.kook to posts.

The Republican Party,
and now the Clinton gang
use the same tactics
used by the calaballista.org race motivated bigots,
and the tactic must work,
as they spend millions of dollars
trying to divert the attention of people
from facts and details.

I dare say that if Obama becomes president,
the masses will begin to turn aggressively on the
bigots, media, and politicians who use
smear as a weapon to promote their agenda,
which could not be promote successfully
using logic, intelligence and facts.

Hopefully, when the public gets sick of the
smear tactics, laws will be passed that make
it easy for folks smeared by Institutionalized Bigotry
to collect damages from the individuals and
organization that effected the smears.

The definition of "bigot" is:
"A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his
own."

To read the stories of a few of the many folks
who have been victims of Institutionalized bigotry
visit the web site below.

http://www.zundelsite.org/english/debate/victims/index.html

--
Tom Potter

http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/ind...crazyideas.blo....

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-- Dear Tom: *If Obama becomes President, the USA is probably doomed....

Considering that - NoEinstein -
is making Einstein look good,

and considering that he is opposed to Obama,
the only candidate for president
that is not totally controlled by the Jewish lobby,

one has to wonder if - NoEinstein -
is a shill,

working for the Einstein Cult,
and the War-for-Profit Gang.

--
Tom Potter

http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/ind...crazyideas.blo....

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Dear Tom: *Obama is a "minority" candidate supported by "minority"
Jews. *TIME-Warner and CNN network are hugely biased toward Obama.
The publishers of science texts are mostly controlled by Jews; and
those love the fact that they make so much money trying to "explain"
Einstein. *Einstein was a Jew, and Jews get their egos boosted by
letting him remain unchallenged. *So, you could rightly say that Jews
are the primary reason my Einstein disproofs haven't gotten to the
front pages. *Do you agree? *:-) *— NoEinstein —

Bingo! Another sociopath finally takes off the mask and speaks his
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Folks: PD keeps over using his lone neuron. Someone should do their
psychology thesis on the strange things coming from one neuron minds!
— NoEinstein —

On Apr 23, 9:12*am, PD wrote:
On Apr 22, 7:40*pm, NoEinstein wrote:





On Apr 21, 9:51*pm, Eric Gisse wrote:

On Apr 21, 2:18*pm, NoEinstein wrote:
[snip]

My own X-Y-Z interferometer easily detects Earth's movement in the
cosmos. *Einstein himself said that no Earth based experiment could
detect such movement, but he was so WRONG! *— NoEinstein —

Really?

That'd be worth a Nobel - why do you keep it to yourself?

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Dear Eric: *Have you gotten "religion" or something? *You've made
three non-offensive comments in a row. *Keep that up and I will remove
your PNG status!
* * *To answer your question: *My simple experiment has been described
in numerous of my replies. *One guy, Tom Davidson, even asked for, and
got a drawing and a detailed description of the construction.

Tom, I'd be interested in your emailing the drawing and the detailed
description of the construction. I'll take this to be NoEinstein's
"publication" of his paper. Thanks in advance.



*I will
avoid any "PD like" groupies who only want to pass judgment—when they
have zero qualifications to p... on anything. *If you will search my
profile for: X-Y-Z interferometer, one or more of those will describe
the arrangement of the laser, mirrors and target, etc. *But to
understand what is happening all that is needed is to realize that
while the light (of either light course) is in transit, the apparatus
itself keeps moving due to Earth's velocity component. *My
interferometer places the CONTROL light course on the SAME Z axis that
the rest of the apparatus rotates about. *The beam splitter is
perpendicular to the first leg of the laser light. *Since the TIME
required for light to travel to a PERPENDICULAR surface doesn't vary,
even though the mirror is moving, such can act as a CONTROL (something
that doesn't vary, to which something that DOES vary can be compared).
* * *After passing through the 30R, 70T beam splitter, the TEST light
course reflects from a 45 degree first surface mirror; and on to a
perpendicular first surface mirror; back to the 45 degree mirror;
through the BS; and on to the painted metal target bonded to the front
of the laser. *That target has a precision pin hole to allow the laser
light to pass through. *Because the light diverges about .5 degree, by
the time it reflects back to the target, the fringe pattern is a clear
3/8" diameter with about 8 fringes.
* * *The reason my interferometer works, and the M-M didn't, is
because M-M had BOTH light courses reflect from the 45 degree mirror!
So, the lateral motion of the apparatus affected both of its light
courses, identically. *My interferometer has an effective physical
length change of the light course that reflects from the 45 degree
mirror. *The faster the Earth's velocity component, the further off
center the light hits the 45 degree mirror, and the greater is the
physical change in the length of that course. *As Michelson knew, a
physical change of length (via screws) of ONE COURSE of his
interferometer allowed making precise measurements—like the "official"
meter stick. *But when he let Earth's velocity "move" the light, both
courses reflected from the 45 degree BS, and so both TIMES of travel
remained identical…
* * *If any of those two dozen universities that I've sent all of my
information to had been objective, they have had more than enough time
to replicate my results. *So, THAT is the real reason it SEEMS that I
am keeping my experiment to myself. *There just aren't any (ha, ha...)
“scientists” out there objective enough to buck the status quo of
stupidity at ALL USA universities! *Note: Exceptions to the latter are
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Folks: No publication is sought. Nor are there objective minds in
science worthy to comment—especially not PD. — NoEinstein —

On Apr 23, 11:57Â*am, wrote:
Mr. NoEinstein writes:

“ Jews are the primary reason
Â* my Einstein disproofs haven't gotten to the front pages. â€�.

Which Jews, exactly, blocked these “ disproofs � ?
which synagogue do they attend ?

Einstein worried about / helped Jews in NAZI Germany,
but he was only nominally Jewish.. same for Karl Marx.

Yet, for some here, Einstein, Marx and other “ notional Jews �
have been made into very strange looking bogeymen.

Dear Jeff: Einstein wasn't a boogieman. He was just a naive,
mentally deficient, hard worker with an ego problem. You describe how
your mother is expecting the... Second Coming of Christ. Yet, you
talk like a Jew. Don't blame me for telling it like it is that TIME
magazine, owned by Jews, won't consider my disproofs of Einstein, but
WILL list Lisa Randall, a Jew, as one of the top scientists—because
she contrived... "branes', or tiny universes and etc.
I wanted you to help model the M-M experiment, but you keep
letting your "thinking" get in the way. Stay on science, and leave
sociology to other news groups. — NoEinstein —