On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:02:31 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:54:15 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
wrote:

I can see high velocity rifle rounds in flight.
This makes a fast pitch to Barry Bonds look pathetically slow.


[Hammond]
My Ruger 44 has a muzzle velocity of 1500 fps... at 100
feet that's 67 milliseconds. That's like watching an old
time silent movie shot at 16 frames/sec (63 ms/frame) and
plenty of people can see the individual frames in those. Gun
camera footage shows 50 cal tracers moving so slow they look
like water coming out of a garden hose when the plane yaws.
I'm not here to shoot the **** with amateurs.

But its certainly much faster than your example, a fast pitch to Barry
Bonds. So what you were claiming isn't that extraordinary. If perceiving
the trajectory of a pitched baseball is the kind of performance
necessary to perceive God or the lack of a God, it is within the reach
of quite a few people. The question should be easily answered.
The answer is 'No'.


[Hammond]
You never get to get to the bottom line. You argue
trivia.
The phenomenon of "God" is ALL ABOUT being able to SEE
PEOPLE... i.e. to SEE FACES and this crucial ability
ENTIRELY has to do with MENTAL SPEED..... seeing bullets and
baseballs is kids play compared to seeing PEOPLE. Seeing
PEOPLE is an everyday, every moment, practical matter of
life and death survival.. it determines the fate of your
life and your entire destiny.
The basic "God problem" is this: If your mental speed is
lower than it should be, due to poverty, want, starvation,
abuse, adversity and consequent poor growth and/or
"repression", then you're a fish in a barrel... people can
see you, but you can't see them! They sit and talk in your
face with high handed gestures like talking to a child, they
bore you to death enjoying every minute of it, they win
every argument, they beat you at every game, you're
intimidated by them. IMAGINE what life would be like if you
suddenly saw that you were listening to aggravated, vicious,
****ed off MORONS who by sheer privilige and arrogance are
able to smile and make you believe they are social peers.
You'd become the original "cat let out of the bag"...
suddenly you would find it ENJOYABLE to sit there and watch
them squirm while you made small talk... you could pelt them
with endless boring stories, cross your legs and swing your
foot, wave your hands in his face, twiddle your thumbs...
you'd suddenly find yourself enthusiastic, interested,
enjoying every minute of it... just like they USED to.. but
now the tables are turned. THAT is the miracle of finding
out what God is! Without it, a disadvantaged person is like
a victim in the dark being watched by someone with night
vision goggles... remember that scene with Jodi Foster?....
that's what being ignorant of the phenomenon of God is! You
can die of depression or wind up in a mental hospital if you
don't realize what God is! Knowing the theory of God can
actually keep you alive when you have nothing else left!
Now, knowing a theory isn't going to change you're
ability to see.... not directly.... but once you understand
what God is, you soon learn all the personality types and
who they really are underneath the mask, and can soon "TELL
EVERY BOOK BY IT'S COVER" as it were.
Artistic renderings are helpful, for instance
"caricatures".... by studying this collection at:

http://www.pritchettcartoons.com/caricature.htm

you'll soon realize that the person you "see" is not
necessarily the person who is talking to you!... nor, does
everybody see the same reality...and this goes for all of
us! Of course let me add a caveat... "understanding God" is
on a NEED TO KNOW BASIS.... only people who have already run
into the problem know that there IS a problem.... young
people generally ignore people they don't like... a workable
strategy if you're young enough..but older people know damn
well you can't ignore them. For instance young people can't
figure out HOW Hitler was able to railroad an entire nation
into a historic tradegy.... but ADULTS KNOW how he was able
to do it.... he was a vicious monster cleverly hidden behind
a psychotic mask... he was so cleverly hidden, and so
brutally vicous, yet totally invisible, that there wasn't a
man in the world outside of FDR who wasn't personally
terrified of him!
Understanding the phenomenon of God will ensure that YOU
don't suffer through a lifetime of abuse and suffering, or
wind up jumping off a bridge or getting beaten to death,
because you are IGNORANT of the simple phenomenon of "God".
People with differing growth deficits feel a different
force of gravity and see things fall at differing rates. An
experienced pitcher knows this and can simulate "artificial
gravity" by spinning the ball and making it drop at
different rates thus throwing off the batter's timing.
The "curvature of subjective spacetime" (due to gravity) is
very small compared to the "curvature of subjective
spacetime" which can be VERY LARGE.
=====================================
SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
=====================================

George Hammond wrote:
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:02:31 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:54:15 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
wrote:

I can see high velocity rifle rounds in flight.
This makes a fast pitch to Barry Bonds look pathetically slow.


[Hammond]
My Ruger 44 has a muzzle velocity of 1500 fps... at 100
feet that's 67 milliseconds. That's like watching an old
time silent movie shot at 16 frames/sec (63 ms/frame) and
plenty of people can see the individual frames in those. Gun
camera footage shows 50 cal tracers moving so slow they look
like water coming out of a garden hose when the plane yaws.
I'm not here to shoot the **** with amateurs.
But its certainly much faster than your example, a fast pitch to Barry
Bonds. So what you were claiming isn't that extraordinary. If perceiving
the trajectory of a pitched baseball is the kind of performance
necessary to perceive God or the lack of a God, it is within the reach
of quite a few people. The question should be easily answered.
The answer is 'No'.


[Hammond]
You never get to get to the bottom line. You argue
trivia.
The phenomenon of "God" is ALL ABOUT being able to SEE
PEOPLE... i.e. to SEE FACES and this crucial ability
ENTIRELY has to do with MENTAL SPEED..... seeing bullets and
baseballs is kids play compared to seeing PEOPLE. Seeing
PEOPLE is an everyday, every moment, practical matter of
life and death survival.. it determines the fate of your
life and your entire destiny.
The basic "God problem" is this: If your mental speed is
lower than it should be, due to poverty, want, starvation,
abuse, adversity and consequent poor growth and/or
"repression", then you're a fish in a barrel... people can
see you, but you can't see them! They sit and talk in your
face with high handed gestures like talking to a child, they
bore you to death enjoying every minute of it, they win
every argument, they beat you at every game, you're
intimidated by them. IMAGINE what life would be like if you
suddenly saw that you were listening to aggravated, vicious,
****ed off MORONS who by sheer privilige and arrogance are
able to smile and make you believe they are social peers.
You'd become the original "cat let out of the bag"...
suddenly you would find it ENJOYABLE to sit there and watch
them squirm while you made small talk... you could pelt them
with endless boring stories, cross your legs and swing your
foot, wave your hands in his face, twiddle your thumbs...
you'd suddenly find yourself enthusiastic, interested,
enjoying every minute of it... just like they USED to.. but
now the tables are turned. THAT is the miracle of finding
out what God is! Without it, a disadvantaged person is like
a victim in the dark being watched by someone with night
vision goggles... remember that scene with Jodi Foster?....
that's what being ignorant of the phenomenon of God is! You
can die of depression or wind up in a mental hospital if you
don't realize what God is! Knowing the theory of God can
actually keep you alive when you have nothing else left!
Now, knowing a theory isn't going to change you're
ability to see.... not directly.... but once you understand
what God is, you soon learn all the personality types and
who they really are underneath the mask, and can soon "TELL
EVERY BOOK BY IT'S COVER" as it were.
Artistic renderings are helpful, for instance
"caricatures".... by studying this collection at:

http://www.pritchettcartoons.com/caricature.htm

you'll soon realize that the person you "see" is not
necessarily the person who is talking to you!... nor, does
everybody see the same reality...and this goes for all of
us! Of course let me add a caveat... "understanding God" is
on a NEED TO KNOW BASIS.... only people who have already run
into the problem know that there IS a problem.... young
people generally ignore people they don't like... a workable
strategy if you're young enough..but older people know damn
well you can't ignore them. For instance young people can't
figure out HOW Hitler was able to railroad an entire nation
into a historic tradegy.... but ADULTS KNOW how he was able
to do it.... he was a vicious monster cleverly hidden behind
a psychotic mask... he was so cleverly hidden, and so
brutally vicous, yet totally invisible, that there wasn't a
man in the world outside of FDR who wasn't personally
terrified of him!
Understanding the phenomenon of God will ensure that YOU
don't suffer through a lifetime of abuse and suffering, or
wind up jumping off a bridge or getting beaten to death,
because you are IGNORANT of the simple phenomenon of "God".
People with differing growth deficits feel a different
force of gravity and see things fall at differing rates. An
experienced pitcher knows this and can simulate "artificial
gravity" by spinning the ball and making it drop at
different rates thus throwing off the batter's timing.
The "curvature of subjective spacetime" (due to gravity) is
very small compared to the "curvature of subjective
spacetime" which can be VERY LARGE.

Oh my.

Go back and reread what George has written. Typed with his own fingers.
Read it slowly, carefully, and take the time to parse and consider what
he's taken the time to write.

Now, read it again as a social worker or a mental health professional
should.

This is clearly the work of someone who's suffered (another) psychotic
break.

Reread what he's written, and remind yourself that despite his previous
institutionalizations, he's out and roaming free.

Reread his post as a neighbor would - as someone who might bump into
this person on a street corner.

On Apr 14, 10:51 am, George Hammond wrote:
You'd become the original "cat let out of the bag"...
suddenly you would find it ENJOYABLE to sit there and watch
them squirm while you made small talk... you could pelt them
with endless boring stories, cross your legs and swing your
foot, wave your hands in his face, twiddle your thumbs...

No tiresome exercises, no tricks, no unpleasant bending.
Lope over walls!
Tease people!
Brush them aside as though they were matchsticks!

One fine day in alt.atheism, George Hammond wrote:

The phenomenon of "God" is ALL ABOUT being able to SEE
PEOPLE...

Then why can't we see "God"?

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.

TMG wrote:

Oh my.

Go back and reread what George has written. Typed with his own
fingers. Read it slowly, carefully, and take the time to parse and
consider what he's taken the time to write.

Now, read it again as a social worker or a mental health professional
should.

This is clearly the work of someone who's suffered (another) psychotic
break.

Reread what he's written, and remind yourself that despite his
previous institutionalizations, he's out and roaming free.

Reread his post as a neighbor would - as someone who might bump into
this person on a street corner.

I'll take your word for it. He lost me after about 20 lines. What a maroon!

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:04:12 GMT, Uncle Vic
wrote:

One fine day in alt.atheism, George Hammond wrote:

The phenomenon of "God" is ALL ABOUT being able to SEE
PEOPLE...

Then why can't we see "God"?

[Hammond]
Because you're an atheist.
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mirror site:
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GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
=====================================

One fine day in alt.atheism, George Hammond wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:04:12 GMT, Uncle Vic
wrote:

One fine day in alt.atheism, George Hammond wrote:

The phenomenon of "God" is ALL ABOUT being able to SEE
PEOPLE...

Then why can't we see "God"?

[Hammond]
Because you're an atheist.

Ah, then it's an "Emperor's New Clothes" kind of thing. Thanks for
clearing that up.

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.

George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:04:12 GMT, Uncle Vic
wrote:

One fine day in alt.atheism, George Hammond
wrote:

The phenomenon of "God" is ALL ABOUT being able to SEE
PEOPLE...

Then why can't we see "God"?

[Hammond]
Because you're an atheist.

When was the last time you saw a god?

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:56:52 -0400, "Geoff"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:04:12 GMT, Uncle Vic
wrote:

One fine day in alt.atheism, George Hammond
wrote:

The phenomenon of "God" is ALL ABOUT being able to SEE
PEOPLE...

Then why can't we see "God"?

[Hammond]
Because you're an atheist.

When was the last time you saw a god?

[Hammond]
I can see God by looking at people... you'll need to look in
a curved mirror; check this out:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/941883...nhouse_mirror/

Click the pause button to freeze the personality.
=====================================
SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
=====================================

One fine day in alt.atheism, George Hammond wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:56:52 -0400, "Geoff"
wrote:

George Hammond wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:04:12 GMT, Uncle Vic
wrote:

One fine day in alt.atheism, George Hammond
wrote:

The phenomenon of "God" is ALL ABOUT being able to SEE
PEOPLE...

Then why can't we see "God"?

[Hammond]
Because you're an atheist.

When was the last time you saw a god?

[Hammond]
I can see God by looking at people... you'll need to look in
a curved mirror; check this out:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/941883...nhouse_mirror/


Someone once told me you could see ghosts by looking between a dog's ears.
Needless to say, it doesn't work, but I think your response is very similar
to this.

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.