We now know according to the most widely accepted theories of cosmology that
the physical universe we see today was created out of nothingness (meaning -
no time, no space, and no matter).

We also know that the beginning of the creation of the universe took place
by light coming into existence at a singularity (a point with no dimension).

We know that the matter of the physical universe was brought into being by
photons (little packages of light energy) which, when colliding with each
other, formed the virtually infinite number of protons, neutrons and
electrons, which in various combinations make up everything in our physical
world.

In essence we can now accurately say that all the matter of the physical
universe, ourselves included, is actually light slowed down.

We know that the space which contains our physical universe is expanding.
This is a concept so alien to human thought that until Albert Einstein
developed his General Theory of Relativity early in the 20th century it had
never occurred to any of the world's great minds, but was stated in the Qur'an
over 1400 years ago when Allah told us, "I am expanding the universe with my
power". Even Einstein was so astounded by his discovery that he falsified
his data to show a universe that was not expanding, because he well
understood that an expanding universe implies there was somewhere in the
distant past a moment of creation for the universe.

Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity (which he actually called his
Absolutism Theorem because he realized he had found the one thing in a
relative universe that was absolute) is about the special qualities of
light.
The Special Theory of Relativity allows us our first objective glimpse into
that which exists beyond the material world.

We could have found anything once we got our first glimpse beyond the
material world, but what we did find is indeed remarkable. We find Einstein's
Special Theory of Relativity showing us that the non-material existence
beyond the physical world consists only of absolutes, and some of those
absolutes are remarkably similar to what everyone's religion has considered
to be among the primary attributes of God.

Example One: As the speed of light (300,000km per second) is approached then
time slows, and at the speed of light time does not pass. This means for a
photon of light which travels at exactly the speed of light, time does not
pass. Therefore the photon is outside of time, and ETERNAL.

Example Two: Since no time passes for a photon of light, and that photon can
be observed at different places in space, therefore that photon of light is
simultaneously in those different places (and many other places) at the same
time, and therefore OMNIPRESENT.

Example Three: Since every bit of matter in the physical universe is created
by the energy of light, and that light energy constantly sustains and
directs the activity of every bit on matter in the physical existence, then
there is no power other than the power of light, light energy is all the
power that exists, and therefore OMNIPOTENT.
Example Four: Since all knowledge that exists, that ever existed, or will
exist, is stored by light energy and transmitted through light energy then
there is no knowledge beyond that intrinsic to light, and therefore
OMNISCIENT.

Furthermore, light does not actually exist within the physical existence
although we can somehow perceive it. As you approach the speed of light one
of the three dimensions (length, height, and width), the dimension in line
with the direction of motion, becomes progressively less, and at the speed
of light that dimension becomes zero. To determine volume we multiply height
times width times length, but if any one of those three dimensions is zero
then the volume is zero, and that thing therefore does not exist in the
material universe. Light occupies no volume of space and therefore has no
existence in the physical universe.

And, while everything in the physical universe has some mass greater than
zero, which is a necessary characteristic for existence in the material
world, light has no mass at all. As you approach the speed of light mass
increases, at the speed of light mass is infinite. Regardless of how tiny
the amount of mass you begin with, that mass rises to infinity at the speed
of light. Since photons travel at the speed of light and do not reach
infinite mass it means that they had zero mass to begin with, and a light
therefore does not actually exist in the material world.

In the physical existence everything is relative, the absolute existence or
non-existence of any quality is not and can not be expressed, everything
exists between those two extremes of the continuum from absolute expression
to absolute non-expression. We find, though, that beyond the material
existence all qualities either exist in an infinite state or have no
existence at all, there is nothing in between.

http://caliph.wordpress.com/articles/msfg/

In our last episode, , the
lovely and talented adman broadcast on alt.atheism:

Example One: As the speed of light (300,000km per second) is approached then
time slows, and at the speed of light time does not pass. This means for a
photon of light which travels at exactly the speed of light, time does not
pass. Therefore the photon is outside of time, and ETERNAL.

Wrong. Time to hit the physics books again.

What is wrong with this and the rest of you points is that you have not
appreciated the differences of reference frames.


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Countdown: 291 days to go.

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In our last episode, , the
lovely and talented adman broadcast on alt.atheism:

Example One: As the speed of light (300,000km per second) is approached
then
time slows, and at the speed of light time does not pass. This means for
a
photon of light which travels at exactly the speed of light, time does
not
pass. Therefore the photon is outside of time, and ETERNAL.

Wrong. Time to hit the physics books again.

What is wrong with this and the rest of you points is that you have not
appreciated the differences of reference frames.


Damn! you are right. He must of forgot all about them reference frames!

On Apr 3, 6:52*pm, "adman" wrote:
We now know according to the most widely accepted theories of cosmology that
the physical universe we see today was created out of nothingness (meaning -
no time, no space, and no matter).

We also know that the beginning of the creation of the universe took place
by light coming into existence at a singularity (a point with no dimension).

We know that the matter of the physical universe was brought into being by
photons (little packages of light energy) which, when colliding with each
other, formed the virtually infinite number of protons, neutrons and
electrons, which in various combinations make up everything in our physical
world.

In essence we can now accurately say that all the matter of the physical
universe, ourselves included, is actually light slowed down.

We know that the space which contains our physical universe is expanding.
This is a concept so alien to human thought that until Albert Einstein
developed his General Theory of Relativity early in the 20th century it had
never occurred to any of the world's great minds, but was stated in the Qur'an
over 1400 years ago when Allah told us, "I am expanding the universe with my
power". Even Einstein was so astounded by his discovery that he falsified
his data to show a universe that was not expanding, because he well
understood that an expanding universe implies there was somewhere in the
distant past a moment of creation for the universe.

Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity (which he actually called his
Absolutism Theorem because he realized he had found the one thing in a
relative universe that was absolute) is about the special qualities of
light.
The Special Theory of Relativity allows us our first objective glimpse into
that which exists beyond the material world.

We could have found anything once we got our first glimpse beyond the
material world, but what we did find is indeed remarkable. We find Einstein's
Special Theory of Relativity showing us that the non-material existence
beyond the physical world consists only of absolutes, and some of those
absolutes are remarkably similar to what everyone's religion has considered
to be among the primary attributes of God.

Example One: As the speed of light (300,000km per second) is approached then
time slows, and at the speed of light time does not pass. This means for a
photon of light which travels at exactly the speed of light, time does not
pass. Therefore the photon is outside of time, and ETERNAL.

Example Two: Since no time passes for a photon of light, and that photon can
be observed at different places in space, therefore that photon of light is
simultaneously in those different places (and many other places) at the same
time, and therefore OMNIPRESENT.

Example Three: Since every bit of matter in the physical universe is created
by the energy of light, and that light energy constantly sustains and
directs the activity of every bit on matter in the physical existence, then
there is no power other than the power of light, light energy is all the
power that exists, and therefore OMNIPOTENT.
Example Four: Since all knowledge that exists, that ever existed, or will
exist, is stored by light energy and transmitted through light energy then
there is no knowledge beyond that intrinsic to light, and therefore
OMNISCIENT.

Furthermore, light does not actually exist within the physical existence
although we can somehow perceive it. As you approach the speed of light one
of the three dimensions (length, height, and width), the dimension in line
with the direction of motion, becomes progressively less, and at the speed
of light that dimension becomes zero. To determine volume we multiply height
times width times length, but if any one of those three dimensions is zero
then the volume is zero, and that thing therefore does not exist in the
material universe. Light occupies no volume of space and therefore has no
existence in the physical universe.

And, while everything in the physical universe has some mass greater than
zero, which is a necessary characteristic for existence in the material
world, light has no mass at all. As you approach the speed of light mass
increases, at the speed of light mass is infinite. Regardless of how tiny
the amount of mass you begin with, that mass rises to infinity at the speed
of light. Since photons travel at the speed of light and do not reach
infinite mass it means that they had zero mass to begin with, and a light
therefore does not actually exist in the material world.

In the physical existence everything is relative, the absolute existence or
non-existence of any quality is not and can not be expressed, everything
exists between those two extremes of the continuum from absolute expression
to absolute non-expression. We find, though, that beyond the material
existence all qualities either exist in an infinite state or have no
existence at all, there is nothing in between.

http://caliph.wordpress.com/articles/msfg/

More housewarming gifts from the palace of Ignorance...

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:52:09 -0500, "adman" wrote:

We now know according to the most widely accepted theories of cosmology that
the physical universe we see today was created out of nothingness (meaning -
no time, no space, and no matter).

We also know that the beginning of the creation of the universe took place
by light coming into existence at a singularity (a point with no dimension).

We know that the matter of the physical universe was brought into being by
photons (little packages of light energy) which, when colliding with each
other, formed the virtually infinite number of protons, neutrons and
electrons, which in various combinations make up everything in our physical
world.

In essence we can now accurately say that all the matter of the physical
universe, ourselves included, is actually light slowed down.

Your misunderstanding of cosmology isn't even wrong, it's idiotic. No
scientist claims anything remotely like the above.

On Apr 3, 8:52*pm, "adman" wrote:
We now know according to the most widely accepted theories of cosmology that
the physical universe we see today was created out of nothingness (meaning -
no time, no space, and no matter).

But in this time, space, and matter, you have a debate with
Budikka666.

JohnN

adman wrote:
We now know

"HO!" *thwack*

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Apr 2008:


We now know according to the most widely accepted theories of
cosmology that the physical universe we see today was created out of
nothingness (meaning - no time, no space, and no matter).

Lie. We know it wasn't created at all.

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Apr 2008:


"Lars Eighner" wrote in message
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In our last episode, ,
the lovely and talented adman broadcast on alt.atheism:

Example One: As the speed of light (300,000km per second) is
approached then
time slows, and at the speed of light time does not pass. This means
for a
photon of light which travels at exactly the speed of light, time
does not
pass. Therefore the photon is outside of time, and ETERNAL.

Wrong. Time to hit the physics books again.

What is wrong with this and the rest of you points is that you have
not appreciated the differences of reference frames.


Damn! you are right. He must of forgot all about them reference
frames!




One cannot forget what one never knows. That truth is the cornerstone of
all religion.

--
David Silverman D.B.E.
BAAWA
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