On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:38:41 GMT, George Hammond
wrote:

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:57:24 -0700 (PDT), xxein
wrote:

On Apr 2, 8:41*pm, George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:39:05 -0700 (PDT), "foolsrushin."

wrote:
On 2 Apr, 23:24, wrote:

[Hammond]
* *I haven't gone anywhere... just got bored talking to
morons.
* *Meanwhile, I find your observation that there is nothing
"outside" the universe to be interesting. *Let me put it
this way: *Do you think there is anything "outside" of human
reality? *What I mean is: *If everyone died at 9am tomorrow
morning; do you think the "World" would still exist? *If so-
how would you prove it at 9:01 am? *After all, if you can't
prove it exists, even in principle, then it doesn't exist!

xxein: I'm not sure of your point here.

[Hammond]
My point is clear: the World would not exist at 9:01 am
according tro the Laws of Physics.

If you disagree (and most run of the mill morons do) then
answer the question:

How would you prove the World still exists at 9:01 am.
Just answer the question.


[Hammond]
Clue: The question cannot be answered because actually
the World would NOT exist at 9:01 am.
This is because all of Physics is founded on the
Anthropic Principle;

Anthropic Principle
All existence is relative to Man, without
a human observer, reality, existence,
including the Laws of Physics and the
Universe itself do not exist.

BTW, this (well known and accepted scientific
fact) is central to the world's first Scientific Proof of
God.
=====================================
SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
=====================================

On Apr 3, 12:12*am, Immortalist wrote:
On Apr 2, 7:01*pm, "foolsrushin." wrote:





On 3 Apr, 01:41, George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:39:05 -0700 (PDT), "foolsrushin."
wrote:
On 2 Apr, 23:24, wrote:
(1)
The universe is an hypersphere surface. The universe is the boundary
of the 4th dimension. The universe came from nothing and is nowhere..
There is no outside of the Hypersphere. There is only one hypersphere.
There can be only one universe because this universe goes on forever.

On Apr 3, 2:58 am, George Hammond wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:38:41 GMT, George Hammond



wrote:
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:57:24 -0700 (PDT), xxein
wrote:

On Apr 2, 8:41 pm, George Hammond wrote:
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:39:05 -0700 (PDT), "foolsrushin."

wrote:
On 2 Apr, 23:24, wrote:

[Hammond]
I haven't gone anywhere... just got bored talking to
morons.
Meanwhile, I find your observation that there is nothing
"outside" the universe to be interesting. Let me put it
this way: Do you think there is anything "outside" of human
reality? What I mean is: If everyone died at 9am tomorrow
morning; do you think the "World" would still exist? If so-
how would you prove it at 9:01 am? After all, if you can't
prove it exists, even in principle, then it doesn't exist!

xxein: I'm not sure of your point here.

[Hammond]
My point is clear: the World would not exist at 9:01 am
according tro the Laws of Physics.

If you disagree (and most run of the mill morons do) then
answer the question:

How would you prove the World still exists at 9:01 am.
Just answer the question.

[Hammond]
Clue: The question cannot be answered because actually
the World would NOT exist at 9:01 am.
This is because all of Physics is founded on the
Anthropic Principle;

Anthropic Principle
All existence is relative to Man, without
a human observer, reality, existence,
including the Laws of Physics and the
Universe itself do not exist.

What if the only human was severely retarded.What if an extra
intelligent ape was the only resident.What happens if 1 million years
in the future if the earth was dead a traveler human or alien came by
and visited and found archaeological evidence of man,would that mean
that nothing existed till they arrived and all of the past history
also stopped existing till that visitation.Do you believe this can
only work for human observers and not intelligent aliens or evolved
apes.Why.
The multiworlds theory dose have a lot to suggest an Anthropic
Principle type of reality but even that is only if you believe those
worlds cannot exist without your personal observation.Me I have no
problem believing that just because I cannot ever experience something
dose not mean it is not real and or experienced by another observer as
real.The same thing can easily be the case with observers in the past
as I am sure to them their reality is that they are in the now and its
no less real to them.Yet they do not exist from our prospective.

I remember talking to you long ago and wonder if you remember my
arguments for the way time dilation can be shown to expand space.It
leads to the prediction that we are inside of a black hole inside
another older universe.It then leads to the best hypothesis ever for
the existence of god. This is because it allows another previous
universe with enough time for such super civilization to come into
existence and one to survive long enough to realize there was no god
and then both have the ability and desire to precede to create
one.This is a logical thing to do if one had the ability because it
would provide an afterlife world for everyone we cared about as well
as for ourselves and an intelligence to manage it all.We would do this
if we could and why wouldn't we.
But remember we are only about 300 years into the industrial
revolution and we are talking about civilizations millions of years
older and our universe is not old enough to have so much of a chance
to have achieved this but add another older universe and all bets are
on again.
Its probably worth mentioning that in this alternative theory the
previous universe has a much faster rate of time and would certainly
be dead of heat death by now.Any survivors of such a universe would
have to have migrated to ours as well as similar other universes.Not
unreasonable that they could have adopted whatever beings they found
worthwhile.
We know little of nothing about soul mechanics so much so that we do
not even have the hypothetical terminology for it. We know so little
that at present it even seams possible that souls may not even be Time
frame bound meaning that such technology may even be able to reach
into the past and collect souls at the moments of death without any
evidence this was done.Or we could be the ones to do this if that
turns out to be possible, far far into the future.

Later on when I have time I am going to review an hypothetical
alternative technology for my web site where one can recreate the
brain layer by layer using automation.Probably might be called
something like Reverse engineering Steriolithography.Would allow far
easier ways to study brain functions etc and at the most extreme even
create working artificial minds without our even being able to
understand how they work.
Under construction www.alttheories.com
Dale


BTW, this (well known and accepted scientific
fact) is central to the world's first Scientific Proof of
God.
=====================================
SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
GOD=G_uv (a folk song on mp3)
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
=====================================

wrote:

real.The same thing can easily be the case with observers in the past
as I am sure to them their reality is that they are in the now and its
no less real to them.Yet they do not exist from our prospective.

Hi!


They do exist. Like remnants of supernovae forming back in a straight
(maybe the only real 'ruler' which really exists) extent, to spark a
new sun.

No new sun (new human) can say it would exist without the informations
before ;-) No matter how that all started.... I can also not know all,
nor do I know what nothing is. (Maybe I could tell it after I have
killed myself, but who would do such???, just to know what nothing
is...).

But remember we are only about 300 years into the industrial
revolution and we are talking about civilizations millions of years
older and our universe is not old enough to have so much of a chance
to have achieved this but add another older universe and all bets are
on again.

Our meaning of time is not universal.

Who cares about times which happens on Earth. It's only substant to us.
To make a cross, one line up/down one line forth (or back, some...
;-)), etc.

There are places in the Universe which can only be measured by using
nano, piko, femto and even smaller parts of a second.
Jupiter needs longer time to turn a full round than some ppl may live.
Merkur does it every 40 days, etc.
Human body makes millions of red-cells in one Second
That's my understanding of time.

What about species around a big red star? It's obvious they must be in
a bit farther distance to their mother sun. So it's likely that such a
planet needs a longer time (e.g. our time), to make a round.
Do the species (let's say they are similar to us, shortly... "with
soul" etc.) also count their living years with the full turn around the
sun?
Hmmm, but it's also obvious that such a planet do not have an own
rotation anymore, like the moon. (Hard theory, though.... )

Its probably worth mentioning that in this alternative theory the
previous universe has a much faster rate of time and would certainly
be dead of heat death by now.Any survivors of such a universe would
have to have migrated to ours as well as similar other universes.Not
unreasonable that they could have adopted whatever beings they found
worthwhile.

We had and have this on the World too. First living beings had a 16H
day ;-) (500M y B.C.)

We know little of nothing about soul mechanics so much so that we do
not even have the hypothetical terminology for it.

You can't describe the interface with the interface.

The best would be, when you say: "Now you hear a soul" and then stop
and be quiet till something happens

We know so little

indeed. and alot, too! That's our dualistic premise... unfortunately.
You have to know the bad, to talk about good AND vice versa (off
course!)

that at present it even seams possible that souls may not even be Time
frame bound meaning that such technology may even be able to reach
into the past and collect souls at the moments of death without any
evidence this was done.Or we could be the ones to do this if that
turns out to be possible, far far into the future.

Look.

500M Y for example are not a day or one lifetime.
Our souls are more bonded to the Earth than many would like to believe.

Maybe you are a bit too future fixed (it's modern today). I believe
life can also overcome a not anymore existing Planet, like our Earth in
some MRD y. But debating this yet, is disturbing the intelligencies,
angels and archangels, doing their hard work to leave the Earth lively
as long as possible.
Your soul may travel very far, but you'll see that you will come back
to Earth as often as possible. I do!

Later on when I have time I am going to review an hypothetical
alternative technology for my web site where one can recreate the
brain layer by layer using automation.Probably might be called
something like Reverse engineering Steriolithography.Would allow far
easier ways to study brain functions etc and at the most extreme even
create working artificial minds without our even being able to
understand how they work.
Under construction www.alttheories.com
Dale

Yeah. But with a dynamic interface, open to any enhancements in Brain,
which may arise while evolution. Otherwise we have a stillstand
picture... a brain explained by a brain of the date 4.3.2008.
That can't last a long time...

Better removing the thinking barriers worldwide and you'll see how much
the brain can develop w/o going far into the future ;-)



Kind regards,

Daniel Mandic