On 10 May, 14:44, Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2008 13:25:26 -0700 (PDT), "Devil's Advocaat"
spake thusly:





On 6 May, 18:46, Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2008 10:00:55 -0700 (PDT), "Devil's Advocaat"
spake thusly:

On 6 May, 15:41, Pastor Dave wrote:

On Tue, 6 May 2008 03:48:37 -0700 (PDT), "Devil's Advocaat"
spake thusly:

On 2 Apr, 16:33, "adman" wrote:

Second Law of Thermodynamics supports the supernatural model of origins.
1. There is no natural means to increase usable energy in a closed system.
2. The universe is decreasing in usable energy.
3. Therefore, the initial energy of the universe must have originated
supernaturally.
4. The creation model conforms to the data.

Evolution proposes only natural explanations.
Therefore, evolution contradicts a natural law.
Models that contradict data are unscientific.
Therefore, evolution as a model of origins is unscientific

http://www.mbbc.us/creation/presentation.htm

Is your understanding of thermodynamics really that limited?

And this is what they think equals proof of evolution,
folks! *An insult! *But that's all they have, not facts!
If they had facts, this debate would have ended
many, many years ago!

Here are some facts for you.

I am well aware and educated regarding the sciences.

There are three types of systems described in thermodynamics.

Open - a system that can gain or lose both matter and energy.

Closed - a system that can gain or lose only energy.

And you pick whichever one you can run to,
to try to make your claim work and we both
know it! *You will call the entire universe
either open, or closed, because of whatever
you need to claim at the moment, to avoid
admitting your religion doesn't work!

How can you say you are well educated in the sciences and then make a
comment like that?

How can you claim to have a brain and then ask that?!

And you accuse me of resorting to insults.

The comment was about what YOU do and had NOTHING
to do with what science actually tells us!

Goodbye!

I actually identified the correct definitions of the three systems
described and examined in thermodynamics, an example of what you refer
to as "what science actually tells us" and questioned adman's
understanding of thermodynamics.

Then you presumed to accused me of resorting to insults to avoid
admitting that some alleged religion wasn't working. I made no claims
in my postings to adman about anything and none of what I posted was
anything to do with any religion.

Then you resort to insulting me on the basis of a claim I didn't even
make. You really should refrain from being so judgemental and abusive
of others, after all nothing in the Bible says a Christian should
behave as you are doing.

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When you get tangled up in your problems, be still.
God wants us to be still, so he can untangle the knot.- Hide quoted text -

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On Sat, 10 May 2008 09:48:00 -0700 (PDT), "Devil's Advocaat"
wrote:

On 10 May, 14:44, Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2008 13:25:26 -0700 (PDT), "Devil's Advocaat"
spake thusly:





On 6 May, 18:46, Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2008 10:00:55 -0700 (PDT), "Devil's Advocaat"
spake thusly:

On 6 May, 15:41, Pastor Dave wrote:

On Tue, 6 May 2008 03:48:37 -0700 (PDT), "Devil's Advocaat"
spake thusly:

On 2 Apr, 16:33, "adman" wrote:

Second Law of Thermodynamics supports the supernatural model of origins.
1. There is no natural means to increase usable energy in a closed system.
2. The universe is decreasing in usable energy.
3. Therefore, the initial energy of the universe must have originated
supernaturally.
4. The creation model conforms to the data.

Evolution proposes only natural explanations.
Therefore, evolution contradicts a natural law.
Models that contradict data are unscientific.
Therefore, evolution as a model of origins is unscientific

http://www.mbbc.us/creation/presentation.htm

Is your understanding of thermodynamics really that limited?

And this is what they think equals proof of evolution,
folks! *An insult! *But that's all they have, not facts!
If they had facts, this debate would have ended
many, many years ago!

Here are some facts for you.

I am well aware and educated regarding the sciences.

There are three types of systems described in thermodynamics.

Open - a system that can gain or lose both matter and energy.

Closed - a system that can gain or lose only energy.

And you pick whichever one you can run to,
to try to make your claim work and we both
know it! *You will call the entire universe
either open, or closed, because of whatever
you need to claim at the moment, to avoid
admitting your religion doesn't work!

How can you say you are well educated in the sciences and then make a
comment like that?

How can you claim to have a brain and then ask that?!

And you accuse me of resorting to insults.

The comment was about what YOU do and had NOTHING
to do with what science actually tells us!

Goodbye!

I actually identified the correct definitions of the three systems
described and examined in thermodynamics, an example of what you refer
to as "what science actually tells us" and questioned adman's
understanding of thermodynamics.

Then you presumed to accused me of resorting to insults to avoid
admitting that some alleged religion wasn't working. I made no claims
in my postings to adman about anything and none of what I posted was
anything to do with any religion.

Then you resort to insulting me on the basis of a claim I didn't even
make. You really should refrain from being so judgemental and abusive
of others, after all nothing in the Bible says a Christian should
behave as you are doing.

Pastor Dave is afraid of science and runs away from it at every
opportunity. The religious doctrines that he teaches are at odds with
reality, so, since he won't repent of his false teachings, he has no
choice but to resort to false witness.