Second Law of Thermodynamics supports the supernatural model of origins.
1. There is no natural means to increase usable energy in a closed system.
2. The universe is decreasing in usable energy.
3. Therefore, the initial energy of the universe must have originated
supernaturally.
4. The creation model conforms to the data.

Evolution proposes only natural explanations.
Therefore, evolution contradicts a natural law.
Models that contradict data are unscientific.
Therefore, evolution as a model of origins is unscientific

http://www.mbbc.us/creation/presentation.htm

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On Apr 2, 11:33*am, "adman" wrote:
Second Law of Thermodynamics supports the supernatural model of origins.
1. There is no natural means to increase usable energy in a closed system.
2. The universe is decreasing in usable energy.
3. Therefore, the initial energy of the universe must have originated
supernaturally.
4. The creation model conforms to the data.

Evolution proposes only natural explanations.
Therefore, evolution contradicts a natural law.
Models that contradict data are unscientific.
Therefore, evolution as a model of origins is unscientific

http://www.mbbc.us/creation/presentation.htm

still sticking with your underwear gnomes model of christian philosphy
I see.

Hatter

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:33:02 -0500, "adman" wrote:

Second Law of Thermodynamics supports the supernatural model of origins.

What, in your understanding, is the 2LoT?

1. There is no natural means to increase usable energy in a closed system.
2. The universe is decreasing in usable energy.
3. Therefore, the initial energy of the universe must have originated
supernaturally.

Your conclusion does not follow from your premises, rendering the
remainder of your post moot.

4. The creation model conforms to the data.

Evolution proposes only natural explanations.
Therefore, evolution contradicts a natural law.
Models that contradict data are unscientific.
Therefore, evolution as a model of origins is unscientific

http://www.mbbc.us/creation/presentation.htm

On 2 Apr, 16:33, "adman" wrote:
Second Law of Thermodynamics supports the supernatural model of origins.

What evidence do you have for this statement?

1. There is no natural means to increase usable energy in a closed system.

This is incorrect, the definition of a closed system in thermodynamics
is one that can exchange energy but not matter with its surroundings.

Therefore the energy content of a closed system can vary in either
direction depending on what the state of its surroundings may be at
any time.

2. The universe is decreasing in usable energy.

Only because it is an isolated system that is not in equilibrium.

3. Therefore, the initial energy of the universe must have originated
supernaturally.

You have been adamant that no one can provide evidence for what
existed before the universe as we know it began.

How about you now provide the evidence that supports your contention
that the universe had a supernatural beginning.

Make sure that it is sound scientific evidence.

4. The creation model conforms to the data.

Evolution proposes only natural explanations.

The whole of science proposes only natural explanations.

Therefore, evolution contradicts a natural law.

Which natural law is evolution supposedly contradicting?

Models that contradict data are unscientific.
Therefore, evolution as a model of origins is unscientific

And as your "model" is not supported by the available data will you
accept it is not scientific?

http://www.mbbc.us/creation/presentation.htm

"raven1" wrote in message
...
| On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:33:02 -0500, "adman" wrote:
|
| Second Law of Thermodynamics supports the supernatural model of origins.
|
| What, in your understanding, is the 2LoT?
|
| 1. There is no natural means to increase usable energy in a closed
system.
| 2. The universe is decreasing in usable energy.
| 3. Therefore, the initial energy of the universe must have originated
| supernaturally.
|
| Your conclusion does not follow from your premises, rendering the
| remainder of your post moot.

I see you finally understand the defination of "Moot"


|
| 4. The creation model conforms to the data.
|
| Evolution proposes only natural explanations.
| Therefore, evolution contradicts a natural law.
| Models that contradict data are unscientific.
| Therefore, evolution as a model of origins is unscientific
|
| http://www.mbbc.us/creation/presentation.htm
|

"BRAINIAC" wrote in message
...
| On 2 Apr, 16:33, "adman" wrote:
| Second Law of Thermodynamics supports the supernatural model of origins.
|
| What evidence do you have for this statement?
|
| 1. There is no natural means to increase usable energy in a closed
system.
|
| This is incorrect, the definition of a closed system in thermodynamics
| is one that can exchange energy but not matter with its surroundings.

An exchange is hardly an increase

|
| Therefore the energy content of a closed system can vary in either
| direction depending on what the state of its surroundings may be at
| any time.

Incorrect. The energy level stays the same

|
| 2. The universe is decreasing in usable energy.
|
| Only because it is an isolated system that is not in equilibrium.
|
| 3. Therefore, the initial energy of the universe must have originated
| supernaturally.
|
| You have been adamant that no one can provide evidence for what
| existed before the universe as we know it began.

I have been adamant that the singularity is not proven nor is there evidence
of singularity

|
| How about you now provide the evidence that supports your contention
| that the universe had a supernatural beginning.

The facts fit that theory

|
| Make sure that it is sound scientific evidence.

Science is man made. How do you supose to explain the supernatural with a
man made tool?

|
| 4. The creation model conforms to the data.
|
| Evolution proposes only natural explanations.
|
| The whole of science proposes only natural explanations.

Exactly. Which does not fit te model for supernatural model of origins
|
| Therefore, evolution contradicts a natural law.
|
| Which natural law is evolution supposedly contradicting?

Can't you read?

|
| Models that contradict data are unscientific.
| Therefore, evolution as a model of origins is unscientific
|
| And as your "model" is not supported by the available data will you
| accept it is not scientific?


Re-Read above. That is the support.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics supports the supernatural model of origins.


|
| http://www.mbbc.us/creation/presentation.htm
|

In article "adman" writes:
Second Law of Thermodynamics supports the supernatural model of origins.
1. There is no natural means to increase usable energy in a closed system.
2. The universe is decreasing in usable energy.
3. Therefore, the initial energy of the universe must have originated
supernaturally.
4. The creation model conforms to the data.


Assumes that the universe came into being with the same
size and density we observe today.

It didn't.


-- cary




Evolution proposes only natural explanations.
Therefore, evolution contradicts a natural law.
Models that contradict data are unscientific.
Therefore, evolution as a model of origins is unscientific

http://www.mbbc.us/creation/presentation.htm

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:25:30 -0500, "adman" wrote:


"raven1" wrote in message
.. .
| On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:33:02 -0500, "adman" wrote:
|
| Second Law of Thermodynamics supports the supernatural model of origins.
|
| What, in your understanding, is the 2LoT?
|
| 1. There is no natural means to increase usable energy in a closed
system.
| 2. The universe is decreasing in usable energy.
| 3. Therefore, the initial energy of the universe must have originated
| supernaturally.
|
| Your conclusion does not follow from your premises, rendering the
| remainder of your post moot.

I see you finally understand the defination of "Moot"

I've understood it all along. It's good to see that you agree with me
about its applicability to your post.


|
| 4. The creation model conforms to the data.
|
| Evolution proposes only natural explanations.
| Therefore, evolution contradicts a natural law.
| Models that contradict data are unscientific.
| Therefore, evolution as a model of origins is unscientific
|
| http://www.mbbc.us/creation/presentation.htm
|

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:31:24 -0500, "adman" wrote:


| Therefore, evolution contradicts a natural law.
|
| Which natural law is evolution supposedly contradicting?

Can't you read?

Yes. Can't you tell the difference between cosmology and biology?
You're discussing the origin of the universe. Evolution has nothing to
do with it.